Discontinued The Grasshopper

[slcbdco]

Really can't make my mind up, this or the GH. Battery seems to be a lot better with the firefly

By now you certainly have heard all of the pros/cons of the GH. If the use and form factor of this device appeal to you...I'd wait for the GH....because it really excels at ultra fast potent rips. If you have no need for a stealth pen instant heat vape that provides quick but hot/harsh hits....then perhaps you should get a refund. As my mother used to say, "honey...nobody is gonna make your mind up for you".

I have both and while I do like the FF2 I have to invent reasons to use it because 99% of the time I reach for the Grasshopper. I've had the GH for a little bit more than a year and I used the FF2 everyday when I got it about a month ago but quickly went back to my GH routine.

If a person can have both I'd say get both as you can probably get a FF2 faster, however if your a vape monogamist then I'd say wait for the GH because even with a FF2, on night with a GH and you'll be getting that divorce

 

[hi_there]

I feel very badly for those still having RMA issues

The whole thing is so confusing, with so many defective units it is strange they can't figure out the issue. I wonder if it is something in the quality of the 3d printing, maybe specs are off.

 

[Mrbrown81k]

Giving up my chance at getting this unit. Sounds too unreliable. Not only that they told my friend latest June and that was an over estimate. It is now July and nothing.. Damn really wanted this one...

 

[jamesuk9]

The whole thing is so confusing, with so many defective units it is strange they can't figure out the issue. I wonder if it is something in the quality of the 3d printing, maybe specs are off.

I bought 2 Ti Hoppers at the same time, one for me and another for my mate. His has been perfect with zero issues yet mine went through 6 warranty claims, 2 on chargers and 4 on front end heater issues.

I ended up getting so pissed off that i sent mine back for a refund and bought an EVO instead, a decision I do not regret, it's a bit special with a Hydratube.

That said, I do really miss the immediate heatup and stealth element of the Hopper so will no doubt buy another and try again.

 

[Chose]

Hopping for four months
Had hot back end had fear
Of hopper fail but just follow
One hit and turn off no fail
Sorry. But hopperd out my
Mind

 

[Radiocitysuicide]

Just got a SS hopper on Wednesday and it's running really hot. After a few hits on the 4th heat setting it's way to hot to use without a mouthpiece and can even be uncomfortable with one. The unit also feels really hot to the touch like it would burn my hand if I squeezed it and kept it om there. Anyone else have a similar issue?

 

[moondog]

Just got a SS hopper on Wednesday and it's running really hot. After a few hits on the 4th heat setting it's way to hot to use without a mouthpiece and can even be uncomfortable with one. The unit also feels really hot to the touch like it would burn my hand if I squeezed it and kept it om there. Anyone else have a similar issue?

Some people have had issues with excessive back end heat that seem to be related to battery issues. But if your entire unit is too hot to hold comfortably, that sounds like a different issue. Seems to me like a warranty claim is in order, but I don't even own a hopper yet. I'm basing my opinion on what I've read here over the last few weeks/months.

 

[VimFuego]

Just got a SS hopper on Wednesday and it's running really hot. After a few hits on the 4th heat setting it's way to hot to use without a mouthpiece and can even be uncomfortable with one. The unit also feels really hot to the touch like it would burn my hand if I squeezed it and kept it om there. Anyone else have a similar issue?

Mine is behaving just like this, and has been since I got it a couple of weeks ago. Back end becomes almost as hot as the front end and just as fast. Probably have to put a warranty request in soon.

 

[Razshiro]

Some people have had issues with excessive back end heat that seem to be related to battery issues. But if your entire unit is too hot to hold comfortably, that sounds like a different issue. Seems to me like a warranty claim is in order, but I don't even own a hopper yet. I'm basing my opinion on what I've read here over the last few weeks/months.

so true, i have 2 battery and i only have the hot back end issue with 1 battery (not every hit) ...

Mine is behaving just like this, and has been since I got it a couple of weeks ago. Back end becomes almost as hot as the front end and just as fast. Probably have to put a warranty request in soon.

Do you try with other battery?

 

[ade848]

My advice to anybody with a hot back end is to deal with through the Warranty...I did and the replacement stays cool and performance is much better

 

[VimFuego]

so true, i have 2 battery and i only have the hot back end issue with 1 battery (not every hit) ...



Do you try with other battery?

Yeah, does it with all 4 batteries that I've got.

 

[Delta3DStudios]

My GH is still going strong with no idiosyncratic or odd behavior at all. I feel very badly for those still having RMA issues and think that GH has a LOT to make up to their buying customers; 1) for the lousy 'let's stretch it out to over a year for delivery' and 2) high failure rate/repeat RMAs.

I keep checking and the back end is consistently cool with mine...really no heat at all....and I suspect that is the key to these things working correctly.

Still love it, easy to use, don't mind the condom, and its awesome through a water piece. Load size is just perfect for my solo 'before I go to bed' bake.

Take care guys and for those who are having RMA issues, stay on them cause there are a bunch of GHs out there that work right so they should be able to reproduce that for everybody.

Some people have had issues with excessive back end heat that seem to be related to battery issues. But if your entire unit is too hot to hold comfortably, that sounds like a different issue. Seems to me like a warranty claim is in order, but I don't even own a hopper yet. I'm basing my opinion on what I've read here over the last few weeks/months.

Mine is behaving just like this, and has been since I got it a couple of weeks ago. Back end becomes almost as hot as the front end and just as fast. Probably have to put a warranty request in soon.

My SS Hopper is still going strong after three weeks. Although my back-end does get hot as well. Initially I thought this would be a major problem requiring me to request an RMA immediately.

Instead as I've seen from others, HL considers a warm backend normal operation and no need to repair.

However I noticed something about my new hopper with the hot backend - it cooks much slower than my previous loaner I used back in November 2015.

When I first got my SS hopper, I tried to rip the thing HARD like I did with my first hopper experience. Unfortunately I couldn't get decent cloud production and my ABV wasn't dark enough. Once I slowed down my draw speed considerably, I was able to get fairly decent cloud production to satisfy my needs.

Although the difference in performance is noticeable. Clearly the loaner hopper I had with a cold back-end had a MUCH stronger heater capable of keeping up with the heat requirements. My new hopper with a hot-backend has a weaker heater that takes considerably longer to heatup and requires a slower draw-speed to compensate.

Yes I'm not very happy with my SS hopper performance, the back-end reaches over 130F around the clip when I rip it hard with a half-dead battery (freshly charged batteries from my Nitecore D2 seem to run cooler, but the back end still get's hot).

Note if I pull extremely slow, the backend does not get too hot. But I am still only able to get two loads out of a single battery before swapping them out.

Eventually I'll request an RMA if nothing else breaks. But right now they're busy playing catch up. I still have a working hopper - it might not be working GREAT, but it still works. Maybe in 3-6 months I'll fill out a warranty request if nothing else breaks.


My advice to anyone else with a hot back-end: just wait and see what happens in the next few months - you might have another problem and need to get the whole vape replaced. If your hopper is producing vapor, just deal with it for now and carry a few extra batteries with you

 

[Mr. Me2]

My SS Hopper is still going strong after three weeks. Although my back-end does get hot as well. Initially I thought this would be a major problem requiring me to request an RMA immediately.

Instead as I've seen from others, HL considers a warm backend normal operation and no need to repair.

However I noticed something about my new hopper with the hot backend - it cooks much slower than my previous loaner I used back in November 2015.

When I first got my SS hopper, I tried to rip the thing HARD like I did with my first hopper experience. Unfortunately I couldn't get decent cloud production and my ABV wasn't dark enough. Once I slowed down my draw speed considerably, I was able to get fairly decent cloud production to satisfy my needs.

Although the difference in performance is noticeable. Clearly the loaner hopper I had with a cold back-end had a MUCH stronger heater capable of keeping up with the heat requirements. My new hopper with a hot-backend has a weaker heater that takes considerably longer to heatup and requires a slower draw-speed to compensate.

Yes I'm not very happy with my SS hopper performance, the back-end reaches over 130F around the clip when I rip it hard with a half-dead battery (freshly charged batteries from my Nitecore D2 seem to run cooler, but the back end still get's hot).

Note if I pull extremely slow, the backend does not get too hot. But I am still only able to get two loads out of a single battery before swapping them out.

Eventually I'll request an RMA if nothing else breaks. But right now they're busy playing catch up. I still have a working hopper - it might not be working GREAT, but it still works. Maybe in 3-6 months I'll fill out a warranty request if nothing else breaks.


My advice to anyone else with a hot back-end: just wait and see what happens in the next few months - you might have another problem and need to get the whole vape replaced. If your hopper is producing vapor, just deal with it for now and carry a few extra batteries with you

Thx for posting your experience, @Ratchett. Wish all was perfect for you, but I'm particularly happy you have the benefit of comparison to know this one isn't performing as well as your earlier loaner.

 

[Razshiro]

My SS Hopper is still going strong after three weeks. Although my back-end does get hot as well. Initially I thought this would be a major problem requiring me to request an RMA immediately.

Instead as I've seen from others, HL considers a warm backend normal operation and no need to repair.

However I noticed something about my new hopper with the hot backend - it cooks much slower than my previous loaner I used back in November 2015.

When I first got my SS hopper, I tried to rip the thing HARD like I did with my first hopper experience. Unfortunately I couldn't get decent cloud production and my ABV wasn't dark enough. Once I slowed down my draw speed considerably, I was able to get fairly decent cloud production to satisfy my needs.

Although the difference in performance is noticeable. Clearly the loaner hopper I had with a cold back-end had a MUCH stronger heater capable of keeping up with the heat requirements. My new hopper with a hot-backend has a weaker heater that takes considerably longer to heatup and requires a slower draw-speed to compensate.

Yes I'm not very happy with my SS hopper performance, the back-end reaches over 130F around the clip when I rip it hard with a half-dead battery (freshly charged batteries from my Nitecore D2 seem to run cooler, but the back end still get's hot).

Note if I pull extremely slow, the backend does not get too hot. But I am still only able to get two loads out of a single battery before swapping them out.

Eventually I'll request an RMA if nothing else breaks. But right now they're busy playing catch up. I still have a working hopper - it might not be working GREAT, but it still works. Maybe in 3-6 months I'll fill out a warranty request if nothing else breaks.


My advice to anyone else with a hot back-end: just wait and see what happens in the next few months - you might have another problem and need to get the whole vape replaced. If your hopper is producing vapor, just deal with it for now and carry a few extra batteries with you

This is exactly what i think, i need my hopper for my next holidays in 3 weeks (i live in europe).... after my holidays i will send my hopper in warranty process...

 

[Joel W.]

Has anyone with a hot hopper backend, tried a little conductive grease on the backend threads? This might reduce amp loss across the threads and help keep the backend cooler, while keeping the amps up the heater?

Edit: I know we talked about it once, but not sure of the answer.

Edit2: This seems to be what the flashlight crowd is using on conductive threads in bigboy flashlights? Nyogel 760g

 

[Kalessin]

Has anyone with a hot hopper backend, tried a little conductive grease on the backend threads? This might reduce amp loss across the threads and help keep the backend cooler, while keeping the amps up the heater?

Edit: I know we talked about it once, but not sure of the answer.

Edit2: This seems to be what the flashlight crowd is using on conductive threads in bigboy flashlights? Nyogel 760g

I have started using Ox-Gard on mine based on a post I saw on reddit about it. Only had it a few days so too soon to really say, but it does seem like it is staying a bit cooler on the end. Could be my imagination though. Definitely makes the backend screw together smoother, which is nice.

 

[moondog]

Has anyone with a hot hopper backend, tried a little conductive grease on the backend threads? This might reduce amp loss across the threads and help keep the backend cooler, while keeping the amps up the heater?

Edit: I know we talked about it once, but not sure of the answer.

Edit2: This seems to be what the flashlight crowd is using on conductive threads in bigboy flashlights? Nyogel 760g

I'm confused. In the description, it says the gel is non-conductive. Doesn't that defeat the purpose or am I not understanding some terminology?

 

[moondog]

I have started using Ox-Gard on mine based on a post I saw on reddit about it. Only had it a few days so too soon to really say, but it does seem like it is staying a bit cooler on the end. Could be my imagination though. Definitely makes the backend screw together smoother, which is nice.

I am really reluctant to start spreading industrial chemical compounds anywhere on a heating device that I will be inhaling on. It may be that it's perfectly alright being on the back end of the hopper, but I am very, very cautious about that kind of thing.

 

[Kalessin]

I am really reluctant to start spreading industrial chemical compounds anywhere on a heating device that I will be inhaling on. It may be that it's perfectly alright being on the back end of the hopper, but I am very, very cautious about that kind of thing.

People use it on ecig mods, and it's nonreactive up to 450F so I'm not worried about it. Edit: causes cancer in California though hahah

 

[Joel W.]

I'm confused. In the description, it says the gel is non-conductive. Doesn't that defeat the purpose or am I not understanding some terminology?

Sorry for the confusion. I am not sure either on that. Here is what I was reading. Maybe conductive grease is a bit dangerous as it can move to where you don't want it.

Conflicting information for sure.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?80020-Lubrication-for-flashlights
https://www.edcforums.com/threads/grease-for-threads.49627/
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?154615-Lube-Conductive-or-Non-Conductive

 

[Radiocitysuicide]

How much does it cost to send the unit back to hopper labs within the US?

 

[hi_there]

Yes I'm not very happy with my SS hopper performance, the back-end reaches over 130F around the clip when I rip it hard with a half-dead battery (freshly charged batteries from my Nitecore D2 seem to run cooler, but the back end still get's hot).

That is not a warm backend, that is a hot one. I would warranty it. Whatever energy is being used to heat up the backend is power not going to the herb, so you will get poor performance.

 

[Vapetrees]

How much does it cost to send the unit back to hopper labs within the US?

About 7 dollars.

@Ratchett I had the same problem with my SS, I submitted a Warranty request and they sent me a new back end. Now it is functioning really well. I've been using it all day since I've gotten it and it doesn't get hot anymore.

 

[Delta3DStudios]

Has anyone with a hot hopper backend, tried a little conductive grease on the backend threads? This might reduce amp loss across the threads and help keep the backend cooler, while keeping the amps up the heater?

Edit: I know we talked about it once, but not sure of the answer.

Edit2: This seems to be what the flashlight crowd is using on conductive threads in bigboy flashlights? Nyogel 760g

For what it's worth, I have seen several others use Oxguard and report they still have hot backends. The heat seems to be emanating directly behind the pocket clip on the vape, not the threading between the body and backend. I used my FLIR to confirm this was the heatsource. But I don't have a chip in my FLIR camera to snap a picture, I need to snag a micro sd from amazon so I can get some photos of the true heatsource for those curious

That is not a warm backend, that is a hot one. I would warranty it. Whatever energy is being used to heat up the backend is power not going to the herb, so you will get poor performance.

I concur 100%, this excessive heat in the back end is power not going to the heater. The back end's heat is excessively hot - I can nearly scald my finger if I hold the vape on the clip.

@Ratchett I had the same problem with my SS, I submitted a Warranty request and they sent me a new back end. Now it is functioning really well. I've been using it all day since I've gotten it and it doesn't get hot anymore.

Wow! That's great to hear - I have heard conflicting reports about this. The metal around the clip get's hot enough to burn my fingers when making direct contact.

I guess after 15 months I'm just happy to have a hopper in my hands. I took it on a recent trip home for several days and it performed admirably for my stealth needs (albeit battery life sucked, but hey, I had 4 batteries and my Nitecore with me - I never ran out of juice).

 

[Shit Snacks]

The Grasshopper is a powerful one-hitter and it's dead simple to use, too, and I'd put both those attributes ahead of form factor when talking stealth. Unless you have a pocket full of metal pens, the hopper is shiny and detailed and stands out, it draws the eye and has non-pen details. My clip isn't strong enough to reliably hold my hopper still or secure in a shirt pocket. The button is significantly larger than most pens, and most importantly, it's much farther above the clip than most pens - this means it stands out, and too high so while I can slip my hopper nicely into my jeans pocket, I can't bend or sit down w/o applying pressure to the button, I've accidentally turned it on getting into the car a couple times.

Also the button limits your single-handed options, especially if you like to turn heater off mid-draw. And it's a big metal <k-click!> twice per draw.

But relatively inconspicuous and you can pre-load and pre-set the dial to pull out, hit, and be done, so yeah stealthy that way.


I like the look of the hopper, but it's the heater tech that's the best part. Mass 3D printing a little metal block w/ a skinny, spiraling tube running through is an impressive accomplishment, and the power and performance are game changers. GH tech in Crafty form factor could mean all-day batteries, cooler vapor, and longer lasting flavor. And that could be the big version, I most want a palmable design w/ extended air path, like 3 1/2-hoppers parallel to each other, load-on-one-end-and-pull-from-the-other style. Or a plug-in that's not much bigger than a Lotus? Man, want GH to finish pre-orders, stock retail, and start on the next generation!

Yeah like a Pax2 is super stealth without looking like anything else, a GH with a shorter fatter body, so bigger batter and vapor path, regular button instead of trigger, that's a locust I'd want, pen was a bonus of GH, the functionality is the real seller and imo it is being limited unnecessarily

I hate, hate, hate crowded theaters. I always time my cinema excursions for an off-time showing at the very end of a movie's run. For me, heaven is me and my vape being the only ones in the theater. Sometimes there will be maybe a half-dozen people in the theater, but everyone gives everyone else plenty of space. I just fire up my vape during the previews. The only problem with this is that once I'm vaped, the previews seem to go on forever.

From time-to-time I wonder if the clicking of the GH on/off button will be a problem in that setting, but I figure the soundtrack volume on those previews is always so loud, it shouldn't be a problem. If I get my hopper in time to check out a summer blockbuster, I'll let you know the result.

I tried GH in a matinee a couple hits, doable but Milaana has been so much better, that'd even work in a crowded theater, hidden in palm and silent stealth no led lights plus just quicker overall too, not quite as small or self contained getting in but doable especially in a hoodie pocket

My SS Hopper is still going strong after three weeks. Although my back-end does get hot as well. Initially I thought this would be a major problem requiring me to request an RMA immediately.

Instead as I've seen from others, HL considers a warm backend normal operation and no need to repair.

However I noticed something about my new hopper with the hot backend - it cooks much slower than my previous loaner I used back in November 2015.

When I first got my SS hopper, I tried to rip the thing HARD like I did with my first hopper experience. Unfortunately I couldn't get decent cloud production and my ABV wasn't dark enough. Once I slowed down my draw speed considerably, I was able to get fairly decent cloud production to satisfy my needs.

Although the difference in performance is noticeable. Clearly the loaner hopper I had with a cold back-end had a MUCH stronger heater capable of keeping up with the heat requirements. My new hopper with a hot-backend has a weaker heater that takes considerably longer to heatup and requires a slower draw-speed to compensate.

Yes I'm not very happy with my SS hopper performance, the back-end reaches over 130F around the clip when I rip it hard with a half-dead battery (freshly charged batteries from my Nitecore D2 seem to run cooler, but the back end still get's hot).

Note if I pull extremely slow, the backend does not get too hot. But I am still only able to get two loads out of a single battery before swapping them out.

Eventually I'll request an RMA if nothing else breaks. But right now they're busy playing catch up. I still have a working hopper - it might not be working GREAT, but it still works. Maybe in 3-6 months I'll fill out a warranty request if nothing else breaks.


My advice to anyone else with a hot back-end: just wait and see what happens in the next few months - you might have another problem and need to get the whole vape replaced. If your hopper is producing vapor, just deal with it for now and carry a few extra batteries with you

Yeah that sucks man, finally sent my ss in so it got there yesterday. I am sure my blue Ti will need it too, fine now but I can see back end is a bit crooked (dial seem) and yeah pessimistic, but I'll just wait til it's unusable and will wait to use the ss when it is back, not using it too heavily either now, just select situations. Will likely sell one since Milaana is my mainstay anyhow, two seems unnecessary for me now. Just need to decide which one to keep...

How much does it cost to send the unit back to hopper labs within the US?

Hopper in its box fits in priority flat rate box for $6.80 USPS