Discontinued The Grasshopper

[Lahey]

My Vapefiend SS retail GH, 2 months as my daily driver and only vape in use, is working as good as day 1. A little better even, if you factor the small learning curve. It was easy to use out of the box, but now i really feel like I have it dialed. I'm still experimenting a little just for kicks, but mostly am settling into a routine. I usually use it dry with no session extender for 1-5 hits, 2-3 times a day. Dial stays in the 3.8 - 4.2 range most of the time, give or take.

I rarely worry about if it will suddenly stop working any more, the apprehension from reading so many failure reports is slowly fading. I do still brace myself just a little bit, as I can remember a few members reporting failures at 2 months, 6 months, even a year. Fingers crossed for now.

When my pre-order Ti gets here I'll be splitting my time using both. I am interested to see how they compare, not just in terms of different materials, but more generally in terms of how each unit performs and whether or not I can discern any subtle differences in the manufacturing and overall integrity.

As much as it will be kind of fun to have one of each, it's overkill for me, and I would really rather just have one, and feel 100% confident in its durability. I wonder how long it will take of both working before I feel comfortable parting with one. Or maybe I will become attached to the idea of having two. In general I'm trying to move away from collecting things that I don't actively use. As it is, I've only reached for my Mighty once since my GH arrived, and will have to consider selling it when the second GH gets here.

Will check back in a month or so. Glad to see shipping is ramping up and more members are reporting good experience. Happy hopping all!

 

[Vapetrees]

My Vapefiend SS retail GH, 2 months as my daily driver and only vape in use, is working as good as day 1. A little better even, if you factor the small learning curve. It was easy to use out of the box, but now i really feel like I have it dialed. I'm still experimenting a little just for kicks, but mostly am settling into a routine. I usually use it dry with no session extender for 1-5 hits, 2-3 times a day. Dial stays in the 3.8 - 4.2 range most of the time, give or take.

I rarely worry about if it will suddenly stop working any more, the apprehension from reading so many failure reports is slowly fading. I do still brace myself just a little bit, as I can remember a few members reporting failures at 2 months, 6 months, even a year. Fingers crossed for now.

When my pre-order Ti gets here I'll be splitting my time using both. I am interested to see how they compare, not just in terms of different materials, but more generally in terms of how each unit performs and whether or not I can discern any subtle differences in the manufacturing and overall integrity.

As much as it will be kind of fun to have one of each, it's overkill for me, and I would really rather just have one, and feel 100% confident in its durability. I wonder how long it will take of both working before I feel comfortable parting with one. Or maybe I will become attached to the idea of having two. In general I'm trying to move away from collecting things that I don't actively use. As it is, I've only reached for my Mighty once since my GH arrived, and will have to consider selling it when the second GH gets here.

Will check back in a month or so. Glad to see shipping is ramping up and more members are reporting good experience. Happy hopping all!

I feel like I've been in the world exact same position as you. I would worry about it breaking down, and eventually stopped. I also thought about getting rid of my Mighty and I'm glad I didn't. The Mighty is an awesome vaporizer to share, it has digital temperature control, and it has really great taste. I used to think my GH had better taste than the Mighty but that's only for like the first low temp hit, after that the flavor goes away fast. Sometimes it even tastes like smoke at 5 while using natively. The Mighty retains a nice taste all the way to the end. Well, I hope you think about it some more lol.

 

[Lahey]

@Vapetrees

Yes, you've expressed some of the things I would be considering if I decided to sell my Mighty, but my experience has differed from yours and my criteria are also different.

I agree that the Mighty surpasses the GH for sessions and social situations, but I don't really vape socially or do sessions, and on the rare occasion that I do it is with someone else's equipment. I typically vape on my own at home, one or two hits a couple times a day.

The digital temperature control is cool but I actually prefer the analog dial on the GH. I don't like big glowing LED displays on things, especially when you can't turn them off, and I find that I can get precision intuitively from the analog dial. It is satisfying to me in the same way that using my dad's old stereo amplifier from the 70's is better than listening to Spotify on my laptop.

I also agree that taste is slightly superior on Mighty, I think it has to do with the hybrid of conduction/convection giving a different profile. With small loads in the GH I don't experience the pronounced degradation in flavor that you mentioned. I find it to be pretty slight, with good flavor throughout. If you are using the GH with fuller loads and using it as a session vape, I could see this being different. Also I have rarely ever used the GH at 5, and if I did it was through water. That's a bit high for my personal taste, so that may have a lot to do with it.

I recognize that everyone feels differently about the value of having two or three vapes that compliment each other, or even one for every situation. I had a pretty good collection going at one point.

But at this stage in my life I am moving toward practicing a minimalist philosophy, in the interest of having less stuff in exchange for more time and energy. I know that may seem silly, I certainly don't preach it to anyone, it's just something that I'm doing for me.

All that said, odds are I will hold on to the Mighty

I certainly will have plenty of time to think about it, as I don't expect my pre-order to ship anytime soon.

 

[Splatterpop Circus]

Well, I've been loving my new Hopper but as of this afternoon it started the red/blue blinking thing. Only had it four days, too. I'm not too bummed out since I only rarely need a portable, and if I have to I can go back to the Firewood (wasn't a fan, can't manage to get reliable hits). Hopefully the warranty process is quick and painless...

 

[JoeMama]

No the mouthpiece screen is not intended to be removable - instructions state you simply remove mouthpiece and drop the whole thing in ISO to clean, no disassembly needed (although several people have asked me to make a special tool capable of removing the screens)

This is the first I've heard about this "MP screen". Based on that picture from OP, showing all that resin buildup on that little white nipple-thingy, I cannot believe that there is nothing in the GH literature on cleaning the MP other than, "drop it in ISO". Does anyone else have some input here?

I use a Pax2 that needs the ol' pipe cleaner treatment. So I realize that reclaim has to go somewhere as the vapor passes from the point of departure to one's lips. This is probably why GH put the chamber as close to the mouth (ie, as far away from other parts that could get gunked by reclaim).

...but, IMO, for GH not to even call attention to that internal copper/screen assembly when describing how to clean the GH is, well... par for the course, I suppose.

Hey guys so I think I might have a problem with my SS grasshopper and I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this. So after about a week of use I've noticed that the herb chamber does not screw on as smoothly as when I first got it and I also noticed that in the areas where the chamber seems to be extra tight and require tighter screwing the chamber is makes a grating sound(kind of like the sound of metal scratching metal) whenever it's being turned. I've made sure that the screws are not clogged with material or resin so I've ruled that out and now I'm not sure what to do and I'm thinking of contacting grasshopper support.

Sixstring, I'm wondering if there might be one more thing to try....

I use Pax2 (at least til I get my GH), but before that I used Pax1, and that needed a special lube on the MP tube assembly because it also conducted the current for operation. It is called polyglycol or something like that. One tiny drop of that on perfectly clean threads would be something I might try.
Curious to know what you think...

If you're having trouble loading, get a pack of doob tubes! They can help with loading in two ways:

1. Quick 'n dirty - Put the herbs in the tube then shove the Hopper bowl-first into the tube and tilt it to get herb into the Hopper. This is not my preferred method, as it tends to get powder into the threads on the body.

2. Quick 'n not dirty - Put herbs into the tube and then cap it. Tilt the tube to move herbs into the cap, then level it out and remove the cap (while keeping the herbs inside). Then hold the cap open-side-up and insert your Hopper bowl-side-down into the cap (yup, it fits perfectly!). Invert it all so the herbs fall into the bowl, give it a flick so none stick, then remove the cap and put it back on the doob tube.

Duuuude!! Awesome discovery about the cap! So now you just helped me eliminate needing a funnel!
Thanks

 

[moondog]

@Vapetrees
But at this stage in my life I am moving toward practicing a minimalist philosophy, in the interest of having less stuff in exchange for more time and energy. I know that may seem silly, I certainly don't preach it to anyone, it's just something that I'm doing for me.

I don't think that is silly at all. I think that is what's known as a sort of wisdom. A wisdom I am chasing but have not yet reached because of a lifetime's indoctrination in the value of things. But I am working on it diligently and hope to one day divest myself of this attachment to material goods and - ooh, look! Shiny new vape. I want one. Or two!!

 

[jivebuggered]

Anyone experienced warranty process from vaposhop.eu yet? (from europe)

My GH died after 5 days, they send me a pre-paid return label and told me they would send me a new one as soon as they received the broken one.

Tracking says it was received 2 weeks ago but still no news from them.

Read my 9753 post I would prefer not to say too much because I tend to say the wrong thing. All I can say is it will be 4 weeks next Monday (the 4th) since I paid a LOT more to have it but instead because of really bad mailing system options from Vaporshop it has somehow completely disappeared and no one knows whether it has arrived in Australia or it hasn`t. Just vanished like a puff of hopper!
Vaporshop have been trying to be helpful (and have offered refund in worse case) but I feel none of this stress would have happened if they had a decent mailing option. Now of course I dont even have a resend option because they dont even have any stock!! What a fucking whole waste of time this has been just by me wanting to have it a bit earlier!!

 

[jivebuggered]

I don't think that is silly at all. I think that is what's known as a sort of wisdom. A wisdom I am chasing but have not yet reached because of a lifetime's indoctrination in the value of things. But I am working on it diligently and hope to one day divest myself of this attachment to material goods and - ooh, look! Shiny new vape. I want one. Or two!!

Now Im really feelin` the same way. All I really need is a easier portable like the hopper but am soooo over all the hassle getting "new vaps" not only because of present hassles but because something similar always seems to happen. Since one cant "try and buy" I have wasted so much money and time buying and then sometimes selling vap`s, that I was excited to get, only to find out they were not suitable and then lost money reselling. So yes I am over it!

 

[jabba]

Feeling Badly:

One of my buddies...a much older gent...saw my GH and fell immediately into vas. He ordered a SS GH from the same Ebay backer that I had purchased my GH from. My GH is still trucking perfectly.....his GH is dead after just a few days (and probably even fewer pulls). I'm assisting him with registering and warranty

He just gets a solid red light and no heat.

At least 2 people have ordered hoppers based on my excitement (not even a solid recommendation yet since I have yet to get mine). I too will feel bad if they end up in warranty situations.

Well...as it turns out...my buddy was just acting his age. He didn't understand the charger/battery situation. His Hopper is fine. I only mention this to affirm that this was not another quick failed Hopper story. Long live the Hopper

 

[Vapor_Eyes]

I just googled how to manually set it lower on the D2, it says you just hold the Mode button for 1 second until you see the word "LOW" light up on the display. If I haven't been using it on LOW for about a week and a half when I first started charging/using the batts, and then start doing it now, does that matter?

http://flashlight.nitecore.com/html/uploads/ueditor/image/product/D2/D2_UM_EN.pdf

I really don't know that much about batteries but I think it will still help if you charge them slower now.

I tried the slower mode when I first got my D2, and found 300 mA to be a little too slow for my liking, but that is because my battery situation is less than optimal at the moment. But that is a story I'm not quite ready to tell yet.

 

[Vapor_Eyes]

Well...as it turns out...my buddy was just acting his age. He didn't understand the charger/battery situation. His Hopper is fine. I only mention this to affirm that this was not another quick failed Hopper story. Long live the Hopper

That same thing happened to me when I first got my hopper. I think the technology and performance were so advanced that I temporarily forgot it required a battery to work. I was also three and a half chambers into it so in my defense I may have been a little bit vaped at that moment in time.

A quick Google search was all it took to remind myself that I can be a huge idiot.

 

[virtualpurple]

In just over 4 hours I will be getting off work and getting to try out my hopper, which is back after arriving DOA.

Also turns out I recieved my backup Milaana from RBT so I will be running that as well to see how it performs (only got to glance at it quick before work but everything appears in check).

 

[Mr Mellish]

This morning I was trying to dislodge a particularly belligerent load of ABV. I hadn't resorted to penetration yet (although the ESV spoon is very nice for loading and unloading); I was just tapping the side of the GH (somewhat aggressively) in an attempt to coerce the spent goods out of the barrel. With each tap, the red led would fire up.

Not feeling particularly concerned but I'm curious if this is normal behavior. Anyone else observed this?

 

[vapviking]

This morning I was trying to dislodge a particularly belligerent load of ABV. I hadn't resorted to penetration yet (although the ESV spoon is very nice for loading and unloading); I was just tapping the side of the GH (somewhat aggressively) in an attempt to coerce the spent goods out of the barrel. With each tap, the red led would fire up.

Not feeling particularly concerned but I'm curious if this is normal behavior. Anyone else observed this?

Have you tried talking to it?
"Hal. Open the pod bay doors.
Hal?"

 

[Mr Mellish]

Have you tried talking to it?
"Hal. Open the pod bay doors.
Hal?"

Shit! Great idea!

 

[jabba]

This morning I was trying to dislodge a particularly belligerent load of ABV. I hadn't resorted to penetration yet (although the ESV spoon is very nice for loading and unloading); I was just tapping the side of the GH (somewhat aggressively) in an attempt to coerce the spent goods out of the barrel. With each tap, the red led would fire up.

Not feeling particularly concerned but I'm curious if this is normal behavior. Anyone else observed this?

Were you tapping it on something conductive?...or metallic? If so...I'm not surprised or worried about the red lights. If you were tapping on wood or other non conductive surfaces...it would indicate that it is connecting or shorting somewhere that it shouldn't. I suppose it would slightly 'worry' me only in the sense that it is an indication of potential issues sooner or later.

My first GH is nearing 3 weeks use now...and it is still perfect. All the problems that I hear about ALMOST make me want to test my new/never used backup SS to be certain that it is 100% functional. I'll avoid the temptation as I do not wish to register my backup GH just yet.

 

[JoeMama]

At least 2 people have ordered hoppers based on my excitement (not even a solid recommendation yet since I have yet to get mine). I too will feel bad if they end up in warranty situations.

I haven't even got my hopper yet and I've recommended it to someone who went ahead and ordered one also. I will feel awful as well if they end up in Warrantyville.

This morning I was trying to dislodge a particularly belligerent load of ABV. I hadn't resorted to penetration yet (although the ESV spoon is very nice for loading and unloading); I was just tapping the side of the GH (somewhat aggressively) in an attempt to coerce the spent goods out of the barrel. With each tap, the red led would fire up.

Not feeling particularly concerned but I'm curious if this is normal behavior. Anyone else observed this?

Not feeling particularly concerned?! Well, I do hope it is nothing, really....

I just can't wrap my mind around all these odd little glitchy things that users are so earnestly reporting to us here.... weird blinking of lights, dying batteries, different batteries (of the same brand), hot backends...

("Gently") tapping to get the ABV out is what GH actually recommends. We all know "gently" doesn't always work, so we rap a bit... if lights start blinking every time you tap this thing... come ON!

I've thrown my Pax around the house almost like it's a Bic lighter and it's just as solid as the first day I had it.

So now I'll cringe with agony the first time I accidentally drop my hopper. I'm gonna to hold my breath as I reluctantly click it on for the very first time, hoping that it doesn't take a shit right then and there.

Seriously, I would definitely contact GH to ask them about blinking lights when you just tap the fucking thing! And if they say it's normal, please let me know so I can cancel my order.

 

[virtualpurple]

My maiden voyage with grasshopper went very nicely...
... For all of two sessions. After a post-work celebration with my GH and milaana I went to bed nice and happy. Woke up and ran a fresh load of herb for a nice low temp session. Swapped out my battery after I noticed the backend getting hot. That's all she wrote. Now I am getting both LED lights lit up and when I can hear a rapid clicking sound. No heat detected. I have tested with multiple batteries and threading positions but no change in results.

So disappointing, I'm not looking forward to sending this back for another 1 week turn around.

 

[subway13029]

That's the kinda shit that sucks..people getting theirs repaired then it taking another shit..seems they need to replace the whole thing if this keeps happening or scrap this idea??

 

[Baron23]

Even though we have no idea what the population of GH's are out there compared to the number of posters telling us theirs failed, it still seems like they have a HUGE reliability problem. Since I have no idea how well they are funded, this is concerning as their 'lifetime' warranty may only last as long as the life time of the company (all of these RMAs cost $$, yeah!?).

Not much excuse for them to not come on here or some other major vape site and explain what has happened and what they are doing. Major failure modes found, fixed, still outstanding and should be looked for....all of that would be nice and ethical.

 

[radiant34]

That's the kinda shit that sucks..people getting theirs repaired then it taking another shit..seems they need to replace the whole thing if this keeps happening or scrap this idea??

Nah they had Way too many hurdles for them to skrap the idea. I don't know wether those obstacles were self inflicted or just shit luck but grasshopper labs leapt over some many shitty cause of events. I think it's a great vape when it works. But there's too components that have to work together like gears to make this thing work

 

[subway13029]

There lies the problem...when it works..

 

[Mr Mellish]

Were you tapping it on something conductive?...or metallic?

Nope. Held aloft with one hand and bitch slapped with the other.

 

[hi_there]

here or some other major vape site and explain what has happened and what they are doing

It seems they are learning as they go. They are replacing tons of units but as long as the orders keep rolling in they should be able to make it to the other side!!

 

[hippogriff]

It seems they are learning as they go. They are replacing tons of units but as long as the orders keep rolling in they should be able to make it to the other side!!

Not a particularly transparent company but they've intimated w/o detail that part redesigns, more than supply chain issues, have been behind the various delays this year. I'm getting my hopper back from warranty #7 (heat and performance issues) in a few days w/ a new back end and front end, won't have old pieces to compare, just hoping for a return to original performance (so I can mate to SSV wand again for monster dry hits), and hoping the changes make for greater reliability (had my last back end since 2/16 I think).

Whatever the numbers, there're enough of us w/ multiple issues, the GHL warranty dept must be a busy place. But they do have their system down, the $40 or so I've spent on shipping notwithstanding (understandable that this would be an issue for many, for me it's part of being an early-adopter), warranty claims are consistent and easy.