Discontinued The Grasshopper

[voodoo_vape]

Oh well,

Long time no posting from me... as if I knew it and I didn't want to post straight away since I got my Hopers.
I received all three of them (2 SS from two friends and a purple Ti for me). Everything has been working like a charm up until yday that my Ti got me the flashing red and blue lights. Some pauses in between them, trying to stabilise on the blue then again some blinking and after some time it would turn to blue and maybe give me a decent hit still.
I recorded what it's been doing, which can be watched here

and sent it to HL to see what they'd tell me. They told me to open a warranty request within 30' from sending them the initial email and after completing my warranty claim and asked them if they could send the replacement part in before sending mine, they agreed since they'll be posting to Greece and I only had my unit just in.
Now, I'm waiting on the replacement part, which will probably be the dial itself I think. Meanwhile, my GH still stands alive. I just have to wait so that it gets the steady blue light, which it doesn't get it all times but when it does, it still rocks hard.
Overall, GH is an outstanding vape I must admit! I've tried both SS and Ti models. The differences are not huge. The most obvious one is the weight, the colour and the duration to cool down (they're not few of course).
I'm thinking of getting an additional one for back up purposes.
I've been using it almost everywhere on the outside and no one has ever understood anything. I've only seen people in bars and at bus stations looking around with some nerve in their eyeballs since they're shocked to smell the eeerb and not being able to see someone smoking a fat J... LOL

It's a fact GH rocks like a F- BEAST!!! It can get ur lungs a bit more affected, especially if you vape it on 5 but through glass and water it's just amazingly powerful... It's been years that I was high like that. I can feel my eyes like popping out from the buzz...hahaha
I normally start mine at 2.8-3, continue to 4 and maybe have a last draw @ 5 so that I'm sure that I've milked up all the flower.. ABV comes out nice and evenly dark which re assures you that you've done some good job. Batteries are fair. Nothing super exciting but each one will last for at least 2-3 bowls, rarely 4. Well with two bowls in a row, you're pretty wasted so they do the job. I'm on a 4 battery rotation and so far I've only used 3 of them when outside without a charger and during a whole day.

Pitty that it only lasted less than 15 days and hopefully Caroline will make sure that HL will send me the replacement part out soon, otherwise I will falling in depression as @biohacker has already said
Indeed, it is a game/ life changer!!!

 

[biohacker]

Pitty that it only lasted less than 15 days and hopefully Caroline will make sure that HL will send me the replacement part out soon, otherwise I will falling in depression as @biohacker has already said
Indeed, it is a game/ life changer!!!

Great post! Sorry to hear about your GH acting up but with the lifetime warranty you will be taken care of!

My depression only lasted 3 days, since my GH just miraculously started operating like new again... and it wasn't even that bad, since I have GH backups, and backups for backups. Can't say i've ever done that with any other vape, but this one is sensitive and it's just so good that I can't imagine life without the GH!

GRASSHOPPER..... GAME LIFE CHANGER!

 

[MoltenTiger]

I am so blazed right now haha. Life changer +1
MFLB is my other vape option, but I'd need to be smoking to match this buzz
GH is a properly full powered super portable instantly ready vape.
what more could one want but delicious flower to fill it

PS You should definitely get 3 claisen adapters @biohacker

 

[moondog]

Ive got a question, for anybody really. I just pre-ordered a GH to replace my severely ailing PnP (Pinnacle Pro). I just noticed, however, that the GH temp range only goes up to 410° F, where my PnP has a stated max temp of 470° F. I typically vape using my PnP starting off at the 3rd heat setting and finish the bowl off at the 4th, which is said to correspond to temps of 420° F and 445° F, respectively. Does anyone have any insight into whether the PnP temp claims are in fact accurate, and if so, should i expect to experience a downgrade in my flower extraction capability due to my transition from a PnP to a GH, as these temp range differentials seem to suggest?

A PnP was my daily driver until the battery died. I can't speak to the temp accuracy of the PnP, but I can state without hesitation that for me, the GH is a MAJOR upgrade. But I do not vape at higher temps. Never went above the 3rd temp level on the PnP and pretty much stick to temp 4 on the GH. I can say this, I don't think you have to worry about the GH's extraction. It's pretty darn excellent.

@moondog , what happens if you hold down the clicker mid-way. Look for that spot in the motion of clicking that feels like that switch inside is exactly on that edge of making (or breaking) contact. Do you get any lights during doing this?

It's one way, I've been led to understand, to see if it's the backend for sure, or possibly the body.
My recent grey TI backend replacement had completely crapped out (even though a few days later it started working flawlessly) exhibited the above, which helped GH diagnose it.

Anyway, sorry, to hear your hopper took a dive. Keep us up on the experience!

Thanks Joe. I was too hoppered to respond to this last night. I can try that today but I'm not sure what it'll get me since the hopper started working again.

 

[Mickey Bricks]

A PnP was my daily driver until the battery died. I can't speak to the temp accuracy of the PnP, but I can state without hesitation that for me, the GH is a MAJOR upgrade. But I do not vape at higher temps. Never went above the 3rd temp level on the PnP and pretty much stick to temp 4 on the GH. I can say this, I don't think you have to worry about the GH's extraction. It's pretty darn excellent.

Ok cool, thats a relief. Many thanks for the reassurance...cheers!

A PnP was my daily driver until the battery died. I can't speak to the temp accuracy of the PnP, but I can state without hesitation that for me, the GH is a MAJOR upgrade. But I do not vape at higher temps. Never went above the 3rd temp level on the PnP and pretty much stick to temp 4 on the GH. I can say this, I don't think you have to worry about the GH's extraction. It's pretty darn excellent.


Thanks Joe. I was too hoppered to respond to this last night. I can try that today but I'm not sure what it'll get me since the hopper started working again.

I see you have both a Ti and a SS. Have u noticed any appreciable differences between the two, performance-wise?

 

[moondog]

I see you have both a Ti and a SS. Have u noticed any appreciable differences between the two, performance-wise?

I haven't noticed any differences, but then, I'm usually having too much fun to notice. I started out planning to pay close attention and be all scientific, but the hopper vaped that idea right out of my head.

 

[vapviking]

I see you have both a Ti and a SS. Have u noticed any appreciable differences between the two, performance-wise?

I believe they will continue to evolve and improve, and that performance will be virtually the same. We keep getting new Bodies or new Back ends from warranty dept., so I think the inner works are "same" over time, if that makes sense. Ti may cool off a tiny bit faster, but is that performance?
I also use one of each, and my preference changes pretty often! I find that I tend to like the one I'm hitting on...
Threads may be a little smoother on SS, though this may only be in my limited experience.
The rest is looks and weight. You decide on those.

 

[voodoo_vape]

And what I was hoping is finally true..!! When posting earlier I was out of flower, hence I couldn't do any further testing with the "cop lights". Got powered up and started playing around and.... TADAAAA my GH although it gives me the blinking, while it tries to stabilise to the blue light the oven gets warm enough and eventually MASSIVE clouds are being produced. While having it with the cop lights I'm fiddling around the click button pushing it in just before clicking it off and it seems that it gets "tuned" by doing that. It seems that even the tiniest portion from those 30W can do the job.....So happy that my hopper isn't totally dead..yet... and there're chances that will get me through until replacement part gets shipped.

Funny enough, while I was waiting for the blinking to go to solid blue, I had it on for some time and I start drawing from the bong and the clouds were so massive that my friend who got his Ti from verdampftnochmal two days ago, he was wondering if his GH could produce so massive ones.. that he actually got when he plugged in his own one
Speaking of verdampftnochmal, it's interesting that he had the new models with the new chargers to ship out, when vapefiend early December shipped an old Ti model to another friend of mine. I don't know if it's the timing that they got the new models lately out in the market, or is it that vapefiend may still have some old ones that has to sell?

 

[moondog]

Threads may be a little smoother on SS, though this may only be in my limited experience.

My experience is the same

EDIT: Just heard from GHL. They have instructed me to send my entire hopper with battery and charger back to them for further analysis. Good thing I have my TI backup.

 

[JoeMama]

MY recent dark grey replacement backend is not doing what the raw Ti one that I have does.

I'd said before that the temp dial is smooth as glass, really nice, but I'm realizing I'm not getting the same output. Maybe if I hit it at T5, I guess, but it's hard to compare at that level. All I know is, I'm getting threadbare vapor at 3.5 on a charged battery. If I immediately swap the other backend and eyeball it to the same 3.5 setting, it fuckin' wallops me... and wind up more medicated than I intended.

You know, I think I blame GHL for my rapidly increasing tolerance to Cannabis. I must do at least an extra chamber a day "testing", hitting more frequently than I normally would. Hamster on crack with this thing in the first place!

I reopened a claim... They can ask me to send the whole unit back, I'd be fine with it as long as I have one working.

 

[biohacker]

So i received my new Ti (non-colour) and SS GH's and everything seemed just fine but now i'm noticing something that's starting to bother me. I'm not sure if it's because they are so new and need to be "worked in" or something, but i'm getting ALOT of blue flickering led's when i'm drawing. I'm pretty sure screwing and unscrewing the backend can mitigate or fix the issue. My older Ti and SS never have this problem. Performance definitely decreases when the blue led flickers. Mo Hoppa's Mo Problems!

The newer hoppers have backends that glide super smooth compared to my older ones. My older Ti isn't too bad but way harder to turn than the new ones. My older SS I can't turn with one hand, it's super stiff.

Looks like I have the newer chargers as well.....anything wrong with my older ones?

Back to flickering blue led testing

 

[moondog]

So i received my new Ti (non-colour) and SS GH's and everything seemed just fine but now i'm noticing something that's starting to bother me. I'm not sure if it's because they are so new and need to be "worked in" or something, but i'm getting ALOT of blue flickering led's when i'm drawing. I'm pretty sure screwing and unscrewing the backend can mitigate or fix the issue. My older Ti and SS never have this problem. Performance definitely decreases when the blue led flickers. Mo Hoppa's Mo Problems!

The newer hoppers have backends that glide super smooth compared to my older ones. My older Ti isn't too bad but way harder to turn than the new ones. My older SS I can't turn with one hand, it's super stiff.

Looks like I have the newer chargers as well.....anything wrong with my older ones?

Back to flickering blue led testing

I've noticed that the blue flickering comes and goes. The first hit on a bowl can have flickering but the next couple don't.

 

[MoltenTiger]

So i received my new Ti (non-colour) and SS GH's and everything seemed just fine but now i'm noticing something that's starting to bother me. I'm not sure if it's because they are so new and need to be "worked in" or something, but i'm getting ALOT of blue flickering led's when i'm drawing. I'm pretty sure screwing and unscrewing the backend can mitigate or fix the issue. My older Ti and SS never have this problem. Performance definitely decreases when the blue led flickers. Mo Hoppa's Mo Problems!

The newer hoppers have backends that glide super smooth compared to my older ones. My older Ti isn't too bad but way harder to turn than the new ones. My older SS I can't turn with one hand, it's super stiff.

Looks like I have the newer chargers as well.....anything wrong with my older ones?

Back to flickering blue led testing

Sorry to hear. Swap around the back-ends to try and find the culprit parts, my dodgy back-end caused blue flickering lights, the replacement made a massive difference

 

[biohacker]

I've noticed that the blue flickering comes and goes. The first hit on a bowl can have flickering but the next couple don't.

THIS! I don't get it either.... but I think either twisting the temp dial or back end is making a difference so it must be a contact issue?

Sorry to hear. Swap around the back-ends to try and find the culprit parts, my dodgy back-end caused blue flickering lights, the replacement made a massive difference

I've been doing so much testing that i'm starting to confuse myself! lol So, I put away my OLD Ti and SS and am just observing the behaviour of the new ones....I have brand new batteries as well (GB1 though).

 

[JoeMama]

MY recent dark grey replacement backend is not doing what the raw Ti one that I have does.

I'd said before that the temp dial is smooth as glass, really nice, but I'm realizing I'm not getting the same output. Maybe if I hit it at T5, I guess, but it's hard to compare at that level. All I know is, I'm getting threadbare vapor at 3.5 on a charged battery. If I immediately swap the other backend and eyeball it to the same 3.5 setting, it fuckin' wallops me... and wind up more medicated than I intended.

You know, I think I blame GHL for my rapidly increasing tolerance to Cannabis. I must do at least an extra chamber a day "testing", hitting more frequently than I normally would. Hamster on crack with this thing in the first place!

I reopened a claim... They can ask me to send the whole unit back, I'd be fine with it as long as I have one working.

I've noticed that the blue flickering comes and goes. The first hit on a bowl can have flickering but the next couple don't.

So they got back to me right away and said to send the whole unit in. So be II, glad I have a working spare. I was waiting for the day I'd be glad that had two for a reason other than VAS satisfaction.

THIS! I don't get it either.... but I think either twisting the temp dial or back end is making a difference so it must be a contact issue?
... ...
I've been doing so much testing that i'm starting to confuse myself! lol So, I put away my OLD Ti and SS and am just observing the behaviour of the new ones....I have brand new batteries as well (GB1 though).

I can think of no other possible reason other than the things you've mentioned. I think there is a potentially broad variation with tiny Temp dial nudges, and I (perhaps incorrectly) envision the internal contacts with oxidation or just being unprecise (i.e., "slack" between the mechanical knob versus the electrical "degree").

 

[biohacker]

I thought I isolated the issue to the newer bodies, but i'm not 100% certain. I saw a video with this issue, and the newer backends ever so slightly "wiggle"....my older backends are solid and do not budge. Then again they could be "older stock" so who knows. I could see the blue led's flickering right off the first bowl on a fresh battery, and by pressing around the backend I could reduce the intensity of flickering. I think the back end dials are very sensitive as you say, because sometimes I can get them working 100% milking hard, and at other times the performance is lacklustre and the lights are flickering like crazy.

After much testing and swapping parts around, I prefer my original older style GH's. The backend dials don't twist as easily, but I NEVER have any issues with blue flickering leds or lacklustre performance unless I didn't screw on the back end tight enough. Other than the glitch I experience with my SS where it didn't work for a few days, the performance out of both my ti and ss has changed the game.

My two new hoppers, while game changers when they produce consistently, are just becoming more of a headache and now I realize that 4 hoppers are just way too excessive, especially since I paid a premium, so the new additions will be going back.

I further wished I purchased another coloured ti instead of the raw.....the raw isn't much different than the SS IMO other than it's lighter....it does attract more fingerprints and I just prefer my dark grey ti over it. The Ti also came with a loose front end screen out of the box! I think HL should start including precision needlenose tweezers! lol

Still loving my hoppers....hope all the newer ones don't flicker blue all the time! Even though the instructions state that it illustrates the battery level....with the quicker blinking meaning it's getting closer to the end, however my testing does not confirm this. And for the first time ever, i've actually seen the blinking red low battery led's.... and the battery still had about 1/2 juice left. It's not the batteries....no issues in my older hoppers.

If I buy another Hopper....it will be DIRECT from Hopper Labs next time!

 

[Bass Vaper]

I've noticed that the blue flickering comes and goes. The first hit on a bowl can have flickering but the next couple don't.

My understanding was that the blue flickering LED's only happened when the battery was close to dead. That was the indicator for "time to charge your battery". The odd thing is, it happens as soon as I pull a fresh battery off the charger. To dog's point above, I find that it comes and goes too. I can only attribute all the testing I've done to battery life. Screwing and unscrewing don't have any impact on mine. It seems to happen on just about every fresh load i start. At times I've connected it to the charger while using it for a hit or two, pull it off, and then it's gone. Most times when I get hard blue flickering, red flickering follows and then no more heat (as if a dead battery).

They sent my chargers back saying "they worked fine for us", didn't do anything to them.

 

[vapviking]

As we close out the year (and December), I have just one question.
Leather sleeve from the Ti pre-order purchase???
Ha!

My treat will be SS landing back from HL today. New Body and new Back End. Same OG front end with screen that will come loose all on it's own once in a while. Whatever! Gonna engrave a name on that thing! Hmmm.

New Year's love to all you combustion fuckers out here.
Be safe all, in celebrating tonight!

 

[voodoo_vape]

I had the same issue with my faulty Ti as it seems. Blue lights flickering and normally that would be at the very beginning of a fresh battery. Second draw until the very last ones would have been more solid.

On my issue, I spoke with Caroline and they let me that they will be sending me a body as a replacement since that's the part that they think it will solve the problem. Fingers crossed that they're right and I won't have to be sending the whole unit in and waste more time in transit.
It makes sense though, since the "clicking" that you get when you put the body near your ear, is looping while trying to get to the blue light. It has 2 main clicks followed by another 3 in much faster tempo. When it manages to stay in blue for several seconds you can hear the clicking keep going in the fast pace. Sounds like some tuning is needed.
So if your back-end doesn't get overheated or doesn't have a problem with the dial, the main body is the one to blame and probably is the one carrying the whole circuit for the GH to operate.

In other news, last night I soaked my mouthpiece in ISO all night long and this morning just wiped it thoroughly with some tissue. MP looks like new and no colour fading away or anything similar.

My GH still manages to get me some nice clouds I'm not sure though whether the flower gets properly vaped now. I don't know for how long could that last and if that could cause any more trouble to the GH itself...

 

[biohacker]

Dug this up....has the video I referenced previously. Also pretty sure that both of my new Hoppers are newer stock - they both had GHB2 batteries. More testing....something is definitely up with both of these new backends. It's as if they cook the load a little slower to start or something...wondering if the temp programming has changed at all, otherwise my backends are just sensitive/finicky.

Also noticing that my older bodies taste better..... the newer bodies on max temp are just a touch too hot and can taste some hints of combustion....never experience this on older ones unless I draw ultra sloooow.

Checking in at 3+ weeks, hopping along nicely.

Regarding the blue lights, here's what I notice with mine:

The dial/clicker piece on mine has a little bit of give side to side, independent from the lower thread part of the back end. Very little, like just a fraction of a mm, but you can feel it shift when you press it with your thumb to one side or the other.

When shifted to one side the blue lights blink, when shifted the other way they stay perfectly solid.
I have repeated these results with batteries at various stages of depletion.

It works either way, using it many times daily.

Here is some video demonstrating my observation.
https://vid.me/t1yV

There are notes on what you are seeing in the video description.

While fiddling with the back end for extended periods of time, I have two or three times managed to turn the unit on without depressing the button, or once or twice with a half click. That, combined with the orientation changing the lights from flickering to solid, leads me to believe that there is a slight imperfection in the machining of my back end, causing it to not make a perfect connection.

I will say that it continues to work consistently in spite of these quirks, and man it works so good. I'm a fan boy by now for sure. Even with the imperfection I will also say it feels very sturdy physically, not "janky" like it is going to break or anything. Whether or not the electrical will hold up is anyone's guess though. When I get my pre-order I will see how they compare.

 

[Pablo13]

I've had the blue flickering on mine from the start. I have 4 different GHB2 and they all act the same. Started a RMA and Caroline linked me to the tips n tricks which helped a little but not much. Gonna soldier on for a few more days then check back with her.

Here is ABV from one chamber I took up to 5, I've separated it as you can see some is a lot darker than other bits. Would you say this is normal?
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[slick]

So I've had my hopper for long enough I feel I can do a preliminary thoughts post. For background, I am a light user, 3 to 4 sessions a week on average. Usually 1 bowel per session shared between two people. Mostly my experience with vaping is limited to portables, though I have tried a desktop or two. My "daily" driver for years has been the og firefly. With that context in mind, most of what I will speak too will be a comparison between them.

Firstly I would like to say I was straight up shocked how even the abv is. Especially impressive since it's a full convection vape. Coming from the firefly, it is nice not to have to stir. When I dumped the abv after the first use, I tried to identify which material was closer to the heater. It was, for all practical purposes, indistinguishable.

It is quite a powerful, effortless vape. With the firefly I feel I have to coax it for vapor. The GH delivers volumus vapor on demand, independent of technique. Load, rip, done in minutes. I was able to hit it at 5 natively. It was doable but not pleasant. I attribute this ability to draw denser/hotter vapor with relatively less discomfort to the heater. It has the ability to keep up with however fast I can draw against the resistance. This allows more of a puffing motion then a prolonged draw. I'm guessing the reduced discomfort is from vapor exposure time of 5 to 10 seconds with the GH vs 15 to 30 seconds with the firefly.

Taste is where the ff clearly wins. The GH is not bad, especially on lower settings. But at the functional settings (3 and up), it's merely "meh". I wish the GH had a model that was focused more on quality vapor over stealth. I would be excited to see what they could come up with without the restriction of a stealthy form.

I can't speak of the battery life because I only use one bowel then it's back on the included USB charger. In fact I have not even opened the backend, for all I know it runs on rainbows and sunshine.

Because of the convenience and extraction power, I believe the GH will be my new "daily" driver.

 

[moondog]

I've had the blue flickering on mine from the start. I have 4 different GHB2 and they all act the same. Started a RMA and Caroline linked me to the tips n tricks which helped a little but not much. Gonna soldier on for a few more days then check back with her.

Here is ABV from one chamber I took up to 5, I've separated it as you can see some is a lot darker than other bits. Would you say this is normal?
20161227_140244

In my experience, the eveness (evenocity? evenaciousness?) of the ABV will be effected by how packed the bowl is. 1/2 - 3/4 light pack; things come out really even. Fuller, tighter pack, you'll get more variation. Can't say for sure since I don't spend a lot of time on temp 5, but it might be that running at max could also lead to the stuff closer to the heater ending up darker.

 

[duff]

Here is ABV from one chamber I took up to 5, I've separated it as you can see some is a lot darker than other bits. Would you say this is normal?

My ABV has never looked like that coming out of my Grasshopper.

 

[tubasco]

So I've had my hopper for long enough I feel I can do a preliminary thoughts post. For background, I am a light user, 3 to 4 sessions a week on average. Usually 1 bowel per session shared between two people. Mostly my experience with vaping is limited to portables, though I have tried a desktop or two. My "daily" driver for years has been the og firefly. With that context in mind, most of what I will speak too will be a comparison between them.

Firstly I would like to say I was straight up shocked how even the abv is. Especially impressive since it's a full convection vape. Coming from the firefly, it is nice not to have to stir. When I dumped the abv after the first use, I tried to identify which material was closer to the heater. It was, for all practical purposes, indistinguishable.

It is quite a powerful, effortless vape. With the firefly I feel I have to coax it for vapor. The GH delivers volumus vapor on demand, independent of technique. Load, rip, done in minutes. I was able to hit it at 5 natively. It was doable but not pleasant. I attribute this ability to draw denser/hotter vapor with relatively less discomfort to the heater. It has the ability to keep up with however fast I can draw against the resistance. This allows more of a puffing motion then a prolonged draw. I'm guessing the reduced discomfort is from vapor exposure time of 5 to 10 seconds with the GH vs 15 to 30 seconds with the firefly.

Taste is where the ff clearly wins. The GH is not bad, especially on lower settings. But at the functional settings (3 and up), it's merely "meh". I wish the GH had a model that was focused more on quality vapor over stealth. I would be excited to see what they could come up with without the restriction of a stealthy form.

I can't speak of the battery life because I only use one bowel then it's back on the included USB charger. In fact I have not even opened the backend, for all I know it runs on rainbows and sunshine.

Because of the convenience and extraction power, I believe the GH will be my new "daily" driver.

Bowl ≠ Bowel