Discontinued The Grasshopper

[GreenHopper]

So here's another Orbiter question. I like the idea of having a glass mouthpiece I can use as an alternative to the whip. Would something like this work? Does anyone have recommendations for any other solutions?

ETA: EXCELLENT post Greenhopper! Thanks!!

I went with http://oregonglassblower.com/14mm-GLASS-MOUTHPIECE-FLARED-MALE-14fmpms.htm as the 'vapour out 14mm joint' on the Orbiter is at a 45 degree angle already so you probably don't want a mouthpiece with a bend in it.

I actually got two, one at 5" and the other at their standard 6.5->7".

Ive not received them yet so can't tell you which I prefer.

P. S. The Orbiter is smaller than you think it is, it's dinky. I was a little shocked at first but it works really well.

I agonised over it for some time, looking at the D020(D) and a whole host of others. I wanted something

• With no colour in it
• Easy to clean
• Smallish (the fact it's smaller than I imagined worked out really well for me
• Could be used one handed (holding the hopper with the bubbler on a table)
• Minimal percolation so some flavour could remain (vapor is lighter than smoke so less perc is preferable)

I kept coming back to the Orbiter each time, glad I did as I love it.

 

[Icon13]

So here's another Orbiter question. I like the idea of having a glass mouthpiece I can use as an alternative to the whip. Would something like this work? Does anyone have recommendations for any other solutions?

ETA: EXCELLENT post Greenhopper! Thanks!!

Go to dhgate and search "glass bubbler" There is an incredible selection from $20-30 if you do not mind waiting 2-3 weeks from China. Honestly, it is a great deal if you do not mind waiting (which you don't if you've waited this long for a hopper). I'm sure you'll have a better piece than an orbiter in the end.

Get an 18mm to 14mm glass reducer if necessary as 18mm is wider than the hopper.

 

[moondog]

I went with http://oregonglassblower.com/14mm-GLASS-MOUTHPIECE-FLARED-MALE-14fmpms.htm as the 'vapour out 14mm joint' on the Orbiter is at a 45 degree angle already so you probably don't want a mouthpiece with a bend in it.

I actually got two, one at 5" and the other at their standard 6.5->7".

Ive not received them yet so can't tell you which I prefer.

That is a very good point about the angle. Thanks yet again. I probably wouldn't have caught that until it was time. My first reaction is that the longer one will be better for me, but I'll be interested to hear about your experiences when you've tried them both.

 

[GreenHopper]

That is a very good point about the angle. Thanks yet again. I probably wouldn't have caught that until it was time. My first reaction is that the longer one will be better for me, but I'll be interested to hear about your experiences when you've tried them both.

I'll definitely report back once I've played with them.

My concern with the longer one was I don't want the weight of it tipping the Orbiter.

Truth be told I ordered them before I received the Orbiter, now I have it I think the longer one will be fine. It's a stable little unit, works great with the hopper and I just love how it looks like something from a mad science experiment.

 

[flyfishwino]

First lemme say that as I'm sure many of us are very careful and thorough as we get to know how to Hop, I respect that you as well have been scratching through a few layers of scalp trying to figure this out. Respect.

It seems you've tried everything I would have, surely. I think the comments from @tubasco and @vapviking comprise a good "checklist" of things to note.

By the way, I'm not sure a "sprinkle" is all that good to test, either... Picture the hopper on its side with the herb in the chamber; if it "lines the bottom" and allows a majority of heated air to flow over the material, I doubt it will give you as much output than if the chamber at least has some "fluff blockage" in it so that air must go through it.

And not to sound all bourgeoisie, if you happen to own 2 hoppers, try swapping pieces and follow that trail of breadcrumbs.

Of most importance is that if you intend on making a warranty claim, be very specific, very certain of your conclusion. The more concise you can outline the conditions, the better for the fastest turn-around.



We can vape if we want to!

OK, trying again
New battery, #3 of 4 all ghb2 model.
med grind filled about 3/4 of bowl Temp set at 3.5.
Started up fine, red to blue
Took long draw, I'd say a medium draw. Did that 2x's. Will go back to finish later and see what the ability looks like.
Finally got some vapor feedback, top and bottom ends warmed up, but not overly hot.
A better experience, now see if it can be repeated. I don't want to push it to 5 as I don't want the excess heat in my throat.
Maybe the 2 previous batteries are not good? Maybe I didn't fill it up enough.
A puzzle that needs to be resolved, hopefully it will not take too long.
All I want is to fill it, turn it on and enjoy. Not spend all my time figuring it out.
But at least it appears I'm on a better path,
Thx

 

[moondog]

Go to dhgate and search "glass bubbler" There is an incredible selection from $20-30 if you do not mind waiting 2-3 weeks from China. Honestly, it is a great deal if you do not mind waiting (which you don't if you've waited this long for a hopper). I'm sure you'll have a better piece than an orbiter in the end.

Get an 18mm to 14mm glass reducer if necessary as 18mm is wider than the hopper.

Thanks for the reply. I did spend some time on DHGate a while back. I recognize the difference in cost but I'm fortunate in that I have the $$ to spend and:

-I really want a small, simple design that doesn't look like something from my college dorm room days (back when vapes were steam powered).

-The Orbiter with it's stand seems more stable to me. (Important in a house with cats.)

-I like the idea of supporting a small company that's done right my me in the past.

But I haven't pulled the trigger yet and who knows what will catch my eye while I dither away the hours waiting for my shipping confirmation.

 

[JoeMama]

Took long draw, I'd say a medium draw. Did that 2x's. Will go back to finish later and see what the ability looks like.
Finally got some vapor feedback, top and bottom ends warmed up, but not overly hot.
A better experience, now see if it can be repeated. I don't want to push it to 5 as I don't want the excess heat in my throat.

Ah, that's good feedback....

If I may (and I'm not saying the issue is resolved, maybe it's something else), my first day with the hopper was similar.... The sensation of "heat" coming up against my throat, with the unique sense of something other than "air" mixed in, I had a very strong mindset of, "hey, I'm getting lots of "vapor", and then upon exhale, nothing. I was disappointed because I thought it was either not functioning or I didn't understand how I was supposed to use it. I posted about it, and, yep, it was me.

Pardon the laboring, but, when you take that draw, take it long and mostly steady, maybe "slow and then resume" your draw.. but do not stop. Even when you think you're tasting way more than you think you want to get. For me, it was a deception of sensation, since I didn't know what to expect.

IF that is the issue, trust me, you will quickly adapt to taking the type of draw that gives you favorable results. In fact, it's likely you might get a bit more than you DO want, but by that point you will know how to run the throttle on that thing.

Keep us posted!

 

[Vapor_Eyes]

@flyfishwino
Are you tamping it down? I don't recommend that. I find the hopper works best with a loose pack. I fill it full but loose, which actually only works out to a pinch. I get two or three huge hits and then reload.

I've tried packing it tight and I get less vapor and a hotter mouthpiece.

A properly functioning Grasshopper should give consistent, reliably satisfying results. I say stick with it and refine your technique. Hopefully you see continued improvement. If your results remain inconsistent I would recommend filing a warranty complaint. My broken Ti functioned at full capacity maybe 20% of the time, just when I was sure it was broken I would have a good chamber.

 

[Icon13]

Thanks for the reply. I did spend some time on DHGate a while back. I recognize the difference in cost but I'm fortunate in that I have the $$ to spend and:

-I really want a small, simple design that doesn't look like something from my college dorm room days (back when vapes were steam powered).

-The Orbiter with it's stand seems more stable to me. (Important in a house with cats.)

-I like the idea of supporting a small company that's done right my me in the past.

But I haven't pulled the trigger yet and who knows what will catch my eye while I dither away the hours waiting for my shipping confirmation.

Maybe something like this would suit your needs? No reducer needed. $20, and not overkill.

http://m.dhgate.com/product/colored...green/386594949.html#s1-10-1;searl|2335390253

 

[Hogni]

@moondog: May be this bubbler from stevenlmz could be an alternative with more possibilities to the orbiter?

 

[VegNVape]

We can vape if we want to!

Yeah we can!!!

Always did like that song. Even before I found out that a guy I was doing graduate work with (this is back in the '80s now) was in that band and quit because they were becoming too commercial. He was more of a Residents type. Really cool guy and excellent studio engineer.

Wow that is really cool! I love hearing things like that. The 6 degrees & all that . . . .

And while the thread is on the topic . . . . .
One of many configurations, here are a quick (& dirty) few shots of my current Orbiter setup:

Love my TonG!

Grasshopper + Magic Flight Orbiter = SPACEHOPPER!!!

Boing!

 

[Mr.Sifter]

Ooooooh yeah,

That looks nice.
But so many different glass parts?

Why not simply connect the hopper to the orbiter directly?
And the sucking tube connects to the orbiter through a short piece of silicon tube.
It becomes bendable this way.

It really looks nice but a bit overloaded.


P.s.
Very beatifull wooden floor you have there.

 

[vapviking]

Yeah we can!!!

Wow that is really cool! I love hearing things like that. The 6 degrees & all that . . . .

And while the thread is on the topic . . . . .
One of many configurations, here are a quick (& dirty) few shots of my current Orbiter setup:

Love my TonG!

Grasshopper + Magic Flight Orbiter = SPACEHOPPER!!!

Boing!

-I really want a small, simple design that doesn't look like something from my college dorm room days (back when vapes were steam powered).

-The Orbiter with it's stand seems more stable to me. (Important in a house with cats.)

@VegNVape thanks for the pics, all cool looking stuff and obviously gets the job done. But I got to think it's starting to look like that dorm room rig @moondog is referring to. And Idk about stability around cats...
There are a multiple individual parts to this setup (even w/out the mouthpiece parts, a whip would still involve some extra things, like replacing tubing & cleaning), one of the reasons I'm leaning toward something like a Mobius Matrix or DHGAte D020-d. No loose parts at all, except maybe a silicone adapter on the hopper.
Thanks, guys, I'm also getting the idea from the current discussion to put a glass-stem mouthpiece on my wide-mouth mason jar rig, and use it instead of the whip when desired.

Edit
As @Mr.Sifter is saying, why not connect hopper direct?
Just learned that this fits on Hopper. Connects to either 14mm (Orbiter) or 18mm joint.
http://delta3dstudios.com/nearly-universal-vape-to-waterpipe-adapter-large/

 

[MoltenTiger]

@moondog: May be this bubbler from stevenlmz could be an alternative with more possibilities to the orbiter?

I cleaned up my Torus today, Steven has some good quality items.

My friend uses this and is pretty happy with it. Reckons I should get one, but I have too much glass now
http://de.dhgate.com/product/29-5cm-tall-top-quality-mobius-matrix-glass/386732962.html

 

[Hogni]

@Tiger: A really nice one. Standing on my list of favourites too. But seem to be not very 'cat-safe' I think? To less mass at the bottom.

 

[moondog]

Wow! Thank you so much for all the great ideas, folks. FC Think Tank FTW!!!

That Nexus piece looks closest to what I like about the Orbiter. I'll need to poke around and see if they offer one without the logo.

 

[vapviking]

So many interesting choices out there, you got me looking around.
This is pretty nifty for like, fifteen bucks! Hook a whip right onto it...
http://de.dhgate.com/product/wholes...238695114.html#cppd-14-5|null:108:r1078981903

 

[Hjalmark]

So many interesting choices out there, you got me looking around.
This is pretty nifty for like, fifteen bucks! Hook a whip right onto it...
http://de.dhgate.com/product/wholes...238695114.html#cppd-14-5|null:108:r1078981903

That looks awesome and giving me some great ideas for a little wooden box for my Enano and hopper but have an slot for that bubbler and a 3 feet silicon hose and everything would be enclosed but problem is always how to hide the big clunky step-down convertor

 

[Mr Mellish]

I've had a habit of taking the Crafty when walking the dog at night. It's easily hidden and if you cover the light, that black plastic makes it nearly invisible. However, I seem to get a little winded while drawing on the Crafty and walking (maybe it's the style of draw I use with it).

Last night, I decided to take the GH. It is a better solution, although those damn lights definitely need to be covered up. Because you can just rip it, walking and drawing are quite natural and I killed the bowl in less than half the time required for the Crafty (even if I leave out that damned interminable heat-up time).

 

[MoltenTiger]

I actually picked up a new piece today, a little Trap rig
It stands just shorter than the GH

Tiny bubblers are nice to have, but I wouldn't recommend one for a single piece collection.
A decent sized chamber makes for the fullest sized hits, and that's a must-have to properly experience the hopper, IMO.
The matrix sidecars / D020D are nice, a similar sized beaker bong would be ideal too.
There's a really nice Mathematix slime wrapped bubbler in Classefieds atm that would be amazing

The MFLB Orbiter is definitely a pretty cool mini rig though, very versatile.
Here is a seemingly decent mouthpiece for it

 

[moondog]

Last night, I decided to take the GH. It is a better solution, although those damn lights definitely need to be covered up.

I understand the need for discretion in many situations, but I'm wondering why the hopper's lights are a problem for so many folks. With everyone and their mother walking around with all sorts of flashing beeping electronic devices, don't the hopper lights just blend right in?

I guess I'll find out when I finally get my own.

 

[Hogni]

Wow! Thank you so much for all the great ideas, folks. FC Think Tank FTW!!!

That Nexus piece looks closest to what I like about the Orbiter. I'll need to poke around and see if they offer one without the logo.

Hi Moon, most sellers of the Nexus-clone are offering this choice

 

[MoltenTiger]

I understand the need for discretion in many situations, but I'm wondering why the hopper's lights are a problem for so many folks. With everyone and their mother walking around with all sorts of flashing beeping electronic devices, don't the hopper lights just blend right in?

I guess I'll find out when I finally get my own.

The lights really are bright. There's nothing to diffuse it, its direct diode, so it really punches a beam out one hole, like a lighthouse.
It's the most 'unfinished' aspect I think, works well enough though.

Also, you can easily remove most labels from glass with PBW

 

[Hogni]

May be a 'switch-off-lights'-buttom would be a worthful development of the GH relating to stealth factor?

 

[Mr.Sifter]

the lights are very bright.
but it is so nice to see that the blue ring of dots appers so quickly signaling that everything is good.

I can imagine lots of people crabbing the hopper while sitting on their desks when they want to write something down.

stealth design at its best !

still like the orbiter + hopper combo A LOT.

there is this "secret shop" from Magic Flight where registered users can buy spare sparts.
I think the orbiter glass only is round about 20$ when i remember correctly.
it would need a nice stand but can be used as single bubbler without any attachments since it can be drawn from the 14mm whip joint.

"the milky bubble"