The Firefly 2 vaporizer

[mitchgo61]

Hey @mitchgo61, quick question here. Now after thoroughly getting used to the prototype FF2, do you ever find yourself having the desire to go use one of your original Firefly's from time to time? Or has the prototype replaced them almost completely?

I have only used my FF1 once since getting the FF2 prototype....and it was to do a kind of a/b test between the two. In which the 1 gets trounced by the 2 for usability etc. (One thing that the 1 has over the 2...that heft that it has is missing in the 2. The 2 is much much lighter and smaller and more of a "portable" but there's a solid vibe you get from the 1 that 2 doesn't have. 1 feels like a classic car or something....2 is just missing that kind of vibe. It has nothing to do with utility, and it's an elusive, almost emotional thing, but when you hold them side by side you notice it.)

@mitchgo61 Any word on the bowl's capacity? If you have a scale it would be great if you could weigh a fully packed bowl.

Yeah it's basically the same size as the 1 (maybe not exact but functionally the same). Seems to hold about .15 g's when you pack densely...you can maybe cram .18 g's in there.

It's interesting they claim it's got an all glass air path. Does that mean the final production units will feature a glass mouthpiece instead of the plastic MP on the beta unit mitchgo61's using?

Edit: Just read it again and they don't claim all glass, just a glass air path. so I suppose the plastic mouthpiece may be on the final design.

AFAIK the production mouthpiece is still plastic, but it's not the one on the prototype I have so I haven't seen it. I understand it seats more securely...the one I have clicks in correctly most of the time but is a little temperamental. As for the "all glass" path...that seems not quite accurate to me. Since the steel plate forms the bottom of the air path, I would describe the air path as "glass and stainless steel" to be completely precise.

So I've spent the past few days seeing how well I can use the 2 just set on Med/High (to simulate "not being able to change heat settings" scenario since it requires an app). The good news is that as I suspected the Med/High setting basically replicates the full temp spectrum of FF1. I am able to get nearly-full extraction from Med/High, actually a bit more than FF1 (leading me to believe the high end of Med/High exceeds the stated 400F upper end of FF1). When I move it up to High I'm not getting a lot more extraction...like one or two more small hits.

So....you can get a full FF2 experience on Med/High, or at least I'm able to on this prototype. It's not as ideal as local temp control, but it gives you a good idea of how effective your favorite temp setting can be.

(For those who've asked, I'm still having issues assessing battery life...this prototype has a weird, documented bug that sends a dead battery signal occasionally in the middle of the battery cycle, so it's preventing me from getting an accurate read. I still think I can get a good four bowls from one battery, or something like 100 hits...but I can't confirm that yet.)

 

[namasteIII]

I hope it's 100 hits that sounds perfect IMO

 

[RobDaBomb]

I have only used my FF1 once since getting the FF2 prototype....and it was to do a kind of a/b test between the two. In which the 1 gets trounced by the 2 for usability etc. (One thing that the 1 has over the 2...that heft that it has is missing in the 2. The 2 is much much lighter and smaller and more of a "portable" but there's a solid vibe you get from the 1 that 2 doesn't have. 1 feels like a classic car or something....2 is just missing that kind of vibe. It has nothing to do with utility, and it's an elusive, almost emotional thing, but when you hold them side by side you notice it.)

Awesome, thanks so much. That's exactly what I was hoping to hear ! And I totally understand what you mean by the heft not being there. I haven't held a FF2 yet obviously, but I can only imagine it feels similar to how I feel after hitting my FF and then using my buddies Pax 2. The Pax always feels 'weak' in my hand in comparison to the FF just because of its low profile design. It's weird to explain, but when holding the tiny, light Pax up to your mouth you just don't feel as complete as you do with a nice Firefly. I'm excited to try using the Firefly one and two back to back, but it sure sounds like the FF2 will become my primary portable in no time .

So I've spent the past few days seeing how well I can use the 2 just set on Med/High (to simulate "not being able to change heat settings" scenario since it requires an app). The good news is that as I suspected the Med/High setting basically replicates the full temp spectrum of FF1. I am able to get nearly-full extraction from Med/High, actually a bit more than FF1 (leading me to believe the high end of Med/High exceeds the stated 400F upper end of FF1). When I move it up to High I'm not getting a lot more extraction...like one or two more small hits.

So....you can get a full FF2 experience on Med/High, or at least I'm able to on this prototype. It's not as ideal as local temp control, but it gives you a good idea of how effective your favorite temp setting can be.

That's great to hear too, thanks for trying out your scenario for us. I will use the app here and there I'm sure, but if I can leave the Firefly 2 on Med/High and get at least the same results (if not better) than my original Firefly - then that's all I need. I probably won't even try to go to High much because I don't care for 100% extraction as I'm saving up AVB for edibles. Although I am interested in trying out the lower temperatures a lot for light flavorful vapor, and I'm also curious to how the FF2 handles concentrates. It's good to note that I don't think people would mind loading up the app to change temperatures before something specific like concentrates, but the idea of having to change temps mid-bowl seems like a pain. Glad to hear you can get through a whole bowl on Med/High though

 

[Archaicrevival]

@mitchgo61 do you know The Microparticle Performance Rating (MPR) of the mouthpiece filter?

 

[Harmoniousliving]

Is there a more accurate release date yet ?
This looks badass...

 

[Poostuff]

They should just put out a photo already, they've given most of it away.

 

[Archaicrevival]

They should just put out a photo already, they've given most of it away.

Lol

 

[mitchgo61]

@mitchgo61 do you know The Microparticle Performance Rating (MPR) of the mouthpiece filter?

I do not but I can try and find out. (The one on the prototype is pretty badass, particle-capturing-wise. )

Is there a more accurate release date yet ?
This looks badass...

Not that anyone has said out loud, yet. Seems pretty soon given the marketing ramp-up....though "soon" might be a matter of opinion!

 

[iDRINKBLEACH]

I do not but I can try and find out. (The one on the prototype is pretty badass, particle-capturing-wise. )



Not that anyone has said out loud, yet. Seems pretty soon given the marketing ramp-up....though "soon" might be a matter of opinion!

I've heard they plan on releasing it the first month income tax is spent shortly after my bills are paid hope the concentrates can work well, high hope and a lot of attention.

 

[Archaicrevival]

I've heard they plan on releasing it the first month income tax is spent shortly after my bills are paid hope the concentrates can work well, high hope and a lot of attention.

Where you hear that?

 

[iDRINKBLEACH]

Where you hear that?

Sarcasm, its just the story of my life, but wouldn't it be perfect timing to release anything when every one has some cash burning a hole in their pocket?

 

[C No Ego]

well this vape rules any old people out all together. why not a click temp up or down button for people maybe in the woods camping or just OLD and not wanting high tech gizmos sending unhealthy bluetooths through the air next to your living brain. sad this day when older people are left to the dust particle debris stage

 

[nacho257]

I get where you, and some are coming from with not wanting the tech. If I understand correctly, however, it should come preset to the middle temp, meaning you don't have to ever open up an app if you don't want to.

If you don't like it, just ignore that it has variable temp ranges and treat it like a new, improved FF 1. I'd still be pretty damn excited about that.

 

[b0]

well this vape rules any old people out all together. why not a click temp up or down button for people maybe in the woods camping or just OLD and not wanting high tech gizmos sending unhealthy bluetooths through the air next to your living brain. sad this day when older people are left to the dust particle debris stage

I know a lot of "old people" that enjoys using their smartphones and young people that dislikes them and uses regular old Nokia. This is not about age IMHO

 

[hackslasher]

Not sure if this was answered or not and sorry if it was, but does the app show stats, like the crafty, and if so what stats? Know said had beta app, but does have anything beside temp setting, button config, and battery life on it?

 

[Caelar900]

Our first good (bad) look at the grasshopper 2.

 

[slcbdco]

Our first good (bad) look at the grasshopper 2.

You mean Firefly 2 ... I understand having grasshopper on the brain, having a grasshopper I often make mistakes because of my brain on grasshopper :-)

 

[namasteIII]

Our first good (bad) look at the grasshopper 2.

Your sizing is a bit off. Looking at this photo https://www.instagram.com/p/BA47rUjHIS-/?taken-by=fireflyvapor

You can see the edge of the light.

 

[mitchgo61]

Not sure if this was answered or not and sorry if it was, but does the app show stats, like the crafty, and if so what stats? Know said had beta app, but does have anything beside temp setting, button config, and battery life on it?

The current version of the app shows Heating Profile (temp range settings), Activation (button config), Battery Level, Device Info (SS number, etc), and Connect Device (allows you to connect multiple devices). No usage data.

 

[RelaxedNow]

well this vape rules any old people out all together. why not a click temp up or down button for people maybe in the woods camping or just OLD and not wanting high tech gizmos sending unhealthy bluetooths through the air next to your living brain. sad this day when older people are left to the dust particle debris stage

Well, as an OLD man, I'd just like to let you know that I'm still capable of farting without emitting a puff of dust. Thus, I can probably handle new technology. Damn whippersnapper! LOL

That said, I still think that requiring a second device to control a vaporizer is simply a pain. Just like being stuck with a slow broadband connection, it's not the end of the world, but it is an annoying nuisance. I do like that the app provides "non-standard" information, albeit somewhat limited at this time.

 

[C No Ego]

Well, as an OLD man, I'd just like to let you know that I'm still capable of farting without emitting a puff of dust. Thus, I can probably handle new technology. Damn whippersnapper! LOL

That said, I still think that requiring a second device to control a vaporizer is simply a pain. Just like being stuck with a slow broadband connection, it's not the end of the world, but it is an annoying nuisance. I do like that the app provides "non-standard" information, albeit somewhat limited at this time.

well as long as the app is able to be adjusted over a standard hard drive computer with a hard line everything will be fine, not everyone is bouncing bluetooths through the airwaves... just picturing, having to jump to a computer everytime to heat adjust- sucky image!!! why not just put a up and down button??

I get where you, and some are coming from with not wanting the tech. If I understand correctly, however, it should come preset to the middle temp, meaning you don't have to ever open up an app if you don't want to.

If you don't like it, just ignore that it has variable temp ranges and treat it like a new, improved FF 1. I'd still be pretty damn excited about that.

if theres the option to bump the heat up during a session I am doing it. the only reason I would not start low and finish high on a sesh is if the vape was a set temp vape which this one is not. in all honesty not many elders will be picking up these type vapes to use them without younger influence anyway like relatives teaching their elders how it works etc....

I know a lot of "old people" that enjoys using their smartphones and young people that dislikes them and uses regular old Nokia. This is not about age IMHO

flip phone here that does just fine for communication over cell towers

 

[Astedra]

I don't think you can adjust it with a computer just with phone and tablet. Just like with the elevape sv that one you can only adjust with the computer and not with your phone. Last I have heard.

 

[mitchgo61]

well as long as the app is able to be adjusted over a standard hard drive computer with a hard line everything will be fine, not everyone is bouncing bluetooths through the airwaves... just picturing, having to jump to a computer everytime to heat adjust- sucky image!!! why not just put a up and down button??

I don't think you can adjust it with a computer just with phone and tablet. Just like with the elevape sv that one you can only adjust with the computer and not with your phone. Last I have heard.

No computer. No hard wires. Just mobile, BT, and an app. It's 2016, people. Given the pushback on "app only"....can you imagine the furor over having to physically connect to a PC or Mac?

 

[C No Ego]

No computer. No hard wires. Just mobile, BT, and an app. It's 2016, people. Given the pushback on "app only"....can you imagine the furor over having to physically connect to a PC or Mac?

hard wired everything on my side except for a flip phone. less wireless more hard line. I gave up wireless as much as possible because it is the healthy choice for the connective tissue and electrons in our bodies

edit- the fact that there are no adjustments for on the fly is complete stupid!!!

 

[jim-bob]

well as long as the app is able to be adjusted over a standard hard drive computer with a hard line everything will be fine, not everyone is bouncing bluetooths through the airwaves... just picturing, having to jump to a computer everytime to heat adjust- sucky image!!! why not just put a up and down button??


if theres the option to bump the heat up during a session I am doing it. the only reason I would not start low and finish high on a sesh is if the vape was a set temp vape which this one is not. in all honesty not many elders will be picking up these type vapes to use them without younger influence anyway like relatives teaching their elders how it works etc....



flip phone here that does just fine for communication over cell towers

I'm sorry you've given up. Many people of all ages don't fear technology to this extent.