Tim
Active Member
Purpl3_Haz3 said:
Haha Purple, every time I use it, I learn a little more and get better results. I used the bag for the first time earlier; I didn't fill it all the way, as I was using fan speed 1 and got impatient. I enjoyed it, but I don't think it's going to be my main form of vaping.
I might need to invest in some valve-system bag-ends, though. I have a feeling drunk people at parties may forget to use their thumb to cover the stem!
I've also found that my favorite way to use the EQ is with the mini-whip meant for filling bags. You see, I'm so used to having my NO2/MFLB just sitting on my desk, and just reaching over for a hit. So with the mini-whip, I can just lean over and take a hit, or pick up the EQ and bring the mini-whip to my mouth. More convenient than a whip on my desk, IMO!
So far I'm loving it. Just gotta deal with the 10 minute herb-warm-up time. I think that and the fact that the EQ uses so many components (3 pieces isn't overwhelming, but it can be a hassle to clean when you're well medicated).
Surf Monkey
Well-Known Member
Vessel said:
Hmmm. I'll futz with it some more.
Bother.
Vessel
Well-Known Member
If you sandwich oil between some herb and put it in the elbow it works pretty well, though I'd avoid putting oil in the cyclone bowl it self even with a herb mixed in, I think it could leak onto the heater.
...Which leaves me to my question- How would you go about cleaning a small amount of black gunk that leaked onto the heating element itself below the screen on the EQ ? There isn't much, but enough to where I can see it and it bothers me a little, though it doesn't seem to effect the efficiency of the unit or give off a taste/smell.
I am thinking I'd either have to take it apart somehow which I wouldn't really want to do, or try cleaning it out with Q-tips and 99%iso - holding the unit upside down and scrubbing lightly-ish, though that would be kind of hard since its below the screen, I would really have to soak it - which makes me think, if there's a way to do it, it would be easier to carefully take it apart and clean it. I remember seeing someone had taken theirs apart on this thread I believe along time ago, though it was just the housing shell they took off, but still. Can any one Help suggesting something, even if its just leave it alone ? Maybe I just ask Azier -
...Which leaves me to my question- How would you go about cleaning a small amount of black gunk that leaked onto the heating element itself below the screen on the EQ ? There isn't much, but enough to where I can see it and it bothers me a little, though it doesn't seem to effect the efficiency of the unit or give off a taste/smell.
I am thinking I'd either have to take it apart somehow which I wouldn't really want to do, or try cleaning it out with Q-tips and 99%iso - holding the unit upside down and scrubbing lightly-ish, though that would be kind of hard since its below the screen, I would really have to soak it - which makes me think, if there's a way to do it, it would be easier to carefully take it apart and clean it. I remember seeing someone had taken theirs apart on this thread I believe along time ago, though it was just the housing shell they took off, but still. Can any one Help suggesting something, even if its just leave it alone ? Maybe I just ask Azier -
Tim
Active Member
So I tired an elbow-pack last night.. very thick, consistent vapor.
I actually started out by packing the elbow and filling the cyclone bowl about 1/4th. Filled a bag on fan speed 1, decent vapor. I figured it wasn't "warmed up" enough, so I let it sit for about 5 more minutes and fill a bag on fan speed 2, and had a GREAT bag.
I'd consider switching to bags primarily, but there's always that tick in the back of my head telling me that I'm wasting vapor every minute.
To anyone that HASN'T tried the elbow pack yet: Do it now!
I actually started out by packing the elbow and filling the cyclone bowl about 1/4th. Filled a bag on fan speed 1, decent vapor. I figured it wasn't "warmed up" enough, so I let it sit for about 5 more minutes and fill a bag on fan speed 2, and had a GREAT bag.
I'd consider switching to bags primarily, but there's always that tick in the back of my head telling me that I'm wasting vapor every minute.
To anyone that HASN'T tried the elbow pack yet: Do it now!
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Theo said:
Theo, what temp do you leave it on? I've been hesitant to leave herb in the bowl at over 100c for hours lest it slow cook (which of course requires me to re-heat the bowl, almost defeating the purpose). But I am just being cautious; I really don't know. And I don't know how to tell if there has been any loss.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Tim said:
Tim, glad you're enjoying your Q so much . . . btw, I replied to you question re the AV on that thread. To your comment above, just fwiw (and as I mentioned there), I now use a bubbler with both an 18'' whip and also with the bag attached via a 4" short whip. I wouldn't worry about losing vapor with the bag, unless you don't use all the bag within an hour or so (and the taste degrades a bit too, especially with a bag which has been already used a number of times). When I first got my Q I tried the bag, said naw, went exclusively whip. But a month ago I tried the bag again, this time via the bubbler, and I've changed my mind. I blow a third-to-half-bag and leisurely draw off it for ~1/2 hour.
One detail I struggled with was using Fan 1 vs Fan 3. Arizer recommends using the former with the whip and the latter with the bag. Given the reason for Fan 1/whip ("more steamy vapor"), seemed to me that Fan 1 would be better with the bag, too. After numerous experiments, what I've found is that Fan 3 is actually better because it thoroughly expends the herb. IME, the vapor is ultimately more dense on Fan 3. If I were combining an elbow-pack with the bowl, I would be all the more inclined to use Fan 3 (the elbow screen creates back-pressure, and packing it adds to that). Fan 3 also heats up the herb more as it runs, btw, which could be a factor. Just my
Enjoy!
Tim
Active Member
oldiebutgoodie said:One detail I struggled with was using Fan 1 vs Fan 3. Arizer recommends using the former with the whip and the latter with the bag. Given the reason for Fan 1/whip ("more steamy vapor"), seemed to me that Fan 1 would be better with the bag, too. After numerous experiments, what I've found is that Fan 3 is actually better because it thoroughly expends the herb. IME, the vapor is ultimately more dense on Fan 3. If I were combining an elbow-pack with the bowl, I would be all the more inclined to use Fan 3 (the elbow screen creates back-pressure, and packing it adds to that). Fan 3 also heats up the herb more as it runs, btw, which could be a factor. Just my
Enjoy!
Thanks OBG! That actually makes a lot of sense, I'm going to try fan speed 3 tonight.
I've also found that the AVB/ABV (I've seen it both ways on many different forums. Stoners, lol) from the EQ is very uniform and browned thoroughly. Instead of "stirring" the bowl, sometimes I'll pick up the cyclone bowl and give it a quick shake (like one would do with the MFLB). Because of the way the cyclone bowl is built, air only flows through the middle of the herb. I've even picked up the EQ and gently shook it during a pull and got GREAT results.. but I'm not going to make a practice of shaking around a sensitive piece of equipment, lol.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Tim said:
Just a few thoughts as you explore the flexibility of the Q . . .
As you probably already know, the idea with the cyclone bowl is that the air circulates inside the chamber even though the path is up thru the middle of the heat element. What makes this happen is the elbow screen's back pressure. When blowing a bag on Fan 3, I shake-n-bake (gently) several times; IME this works best with the bowl no more than half full. Even so, I also will stir once or twice, despite there being a wee bit of vapor loss when the bowl pressure is released mid-way upon lifting the glass elbow. (And don't make the mistake I have several times, forgetting to toggle the fan off before doing the stir - on Fan 3 your herb will come flying out!)
When you elbow-pack, this reduces the cyclone action but on the other hand the air flow is through a narrower channel of herb. Hence the typically greater concentration, although fewer hits. The method of elbow-pack plus herb in the cyclone works best for me combined with Fan 3 because its push compensates for the pack's constriction. Extra important to stir once or twice as the elbow-pack can cause a hot spot in the the center of the pack.
Finally, I find that all this works best if the herb is ground well but not too fine - when it's really fine, that tends to clog the elbow, whether using the bowl and even the pack. Especially so if Fan 3 is used because the higher air flow and associated rise in temp breaks down the herb much faster, i.e., it gets more fine just by itself.
Have fun.
Edit: Just saw your reply on the AV thread. You're right, probably better to respond here . . .
fwiw, I also went round-n-round re the glass. As have many others here, for sure
On the glass thread(s) you'll find a lot of great ideas and examples. I would just advise looking carefully at what kind of experience the user is going for and what kind of vape is being used (keeping in mind some like the Q provide more than one method), because that makes a huge difference. As a reference point, check out the "hydratube" glass being bundled with The Cloud (it has its own thread here, too). There you have the glass very close to the heat source and with a high degree of diffusion, great vapor-to-water surface contact - bottom line, this is about getting monster hits which are still very pleasant. The piece you're looking at is somewhat trying to do the same, what with a diffused down stem and 2 tree percs - I hope you have good lungs, looks like it will require some pull. And then there are other considerations such as drag.Re bong vs bubbler, that's a hard one because there is so much overlap now. There are smaller bongs the size of bigger bubblers. If it's just about getting massively big hits, a typical bong has greater capacity. But if it's more about filtration, cooling, and smoothness/drag, then the type of diffusion and the circulation path is key. Personally, I'm not so much a fan of tree percs as in my (admittedly limited) experience they require more pull and more importantly can be more fragile at the joints. I dunno about domes, no experience with those. Shower heads provide great action (more, smaller bubbles), and also inlines have become very popular for the same reason. You can now get inlines or shower head down stems in a bong, or add an inline ash catcher. Others here know infinitely more about this than I. I learned a lot from the glass thread here, and also by browsing aqualabtechnologies.com which tends to offer very high quality glass; check out what the Wilson's are making and other top flight independents like Vertigo, Sovereignty, SGW, etc. Personally I ended up with that Headford bubbler because its inline diffuser coupled with the donut chamber provides great circulation (plus a splash guard) with as big a hit as I want (keeping in mind that the Q doesn't deliver quite as strong a punch as does the SSV et al), while having a shape that isn't bulky and is easy to handle safely (glass can get really expensive), and it doesn't cost a fortune. But, again, this is all very highly subjective - which is why IMHO it pays to spend time doing the research, lest one bleed from the wallet.
Good luck!
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Tim said:
Forgot to answer this one, and it does have a bearing on whatever glass you choose. The Q uses 18/19 (I think strictly speaking it is 18.8 but you'll see it ref'd to as either 18 or 19; same thing). So . . . if using the whip, I can attach GonG with an elbow in place of the mouthpiece (without a screen, of course) or I also have an 18/19 GonG-to-tube adapter which works the same. If using the bag, I pull the bag glass piece from the mini-whip and insert it into my 4" piece of tubing which on the other end has either the elbow (again, sans screen) or the adapter. The straight adapter works a tad better with the whip, while the elbow a tad better with the bag.
I took another look at that piece you linked to, couple comments: It has an 18.8 joint with a 14 diffuser slide bowl, so to directly connect the Q's 18.8 you would need to pull the down stem; I don't think you want to use this piece without one. You also cannot use an 18/14 adapter from the Q to fit to the down stem because it has a bowl rather than a GonG joint. In short, it seems you would need to get another down stem (careful of the length!) which is 18/18 (that's what I have with my bong); could also do an 18/14 with a 14 adapter coming from the Q; or even fashion a connection using a grommet on the Q mouthpiece that fits with a good seal into the bowl (not as good as GonG, but cheaper). Also, at 20" that is a tall piece sitting on a somewhat small rounded style beaker; might want to think about stability. Triangular beakers are wider and more steady (and I'm told generate larger bubbles), straight tubes usually have a platform base (see my avatar) which are quite stable. The 7mm Pyrex is good glass, heavier than many pieces. Ah, details, details, so many details . . .
daddygreenjeans
Med Card Holder
Received my new EQ yesterday. Blew a few bags and had a few whips. Nothing else to say other then I'll be selling my Buddha soon
Tim
Active Member
Thanks for the information filled posts, OBG! I'm still poring over it and trying to absorb everything. This page has been bookmarked!
I also ordered another elbow piece, in case I break one "experimenting" and trying to find the best connection between adapters, the 18.8 elbow, etc..
I also ordered another elbow piece, in case I break one "experimenting" and trying to find the best connection between adapters, the 18.8 elbow, etc..
Theo
Well-Known Member
You shouldn't break any of your pieces using them the way they were intended, heh. Just be careful with the pieces as they are, well... glass, but they aren't that fragile, just don't be stupid.
If you have any questions on glass and using it with the EQ feel free to post here. I am extremely into glass myself and I know there are others here that are too, and we are all more than glad to help
If you have any questions on glass and using it with the EQ feel free to post here. I am extremely into glass myself and I know there are others here that are too, and we are all more than glad to help
Vessel
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Any one have or used the battery pack ? How long does the charge last ?
http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Inve...llphones/dp/B002LTQFUM/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_0
Would something like this work safely with my EQ in the car ? I should note, I wouldn't be driving just so everyone knows, while I'd be using this. It would be while parked watching fire works on the 4th.
This one in particular is probably shitty, I am trying to find a decent one.
Thanks !
http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Inve...llphones/dp/B002LTQFUM/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_0
Would something like this work safely with my EQ in the car ? I should note, I wouldn't be driving just so everyone knows, while I'd be using this. It would be while parked watching fire works on the 4th.
This one in particular is probably shitty, I am trying to find a decent one.
Thanks !
Ya the battery pack rocks... I think i get 2-3 hours? I also use an inverter in my car but it's 400w. You're right that one is crappy. HOWEVER, it only works when the car is running...if I turn the engine off the EQ shuts down. I think I could solve this with cables running from the inverter to the battery directly but that's a pain. Best bet is the pack, or buy a new Solo!
Vessel said:
Vessel
Well-Known Member
You think there any other cheap alternatives to giving power to the EQ ? I was thinking maybe some battery store had have some device that would have a battery that one could basically plug a cord into to run an electronic. The Azier battery pack seems a little expensive for how little I'd probably use it - but I still want it pretty bad if its my only alternative.
Not sure on that but i'm guessing that this is the one. You're right $100 is up there forsure, but it is pretty convenient. Just for the fact that my inverter woudnt work with it unless my car was running made me just use the battery instead. However, i'm not 100% sure because I don't have the battery anymore, but I think the EQ never got quite as hot as on a/c power. I tended to crank the temp up more to compensate, but I cant prove this now.
There might be other battery packs that provide juice for laptops or something on the side, sorry I can't be of more help. I don't worry about it anymore because now I have a Solo which is a million times better for the car or portability.
There might be other battery packs that provide juice for laptops or something on the side, sorry I can't be of more help. I don't worry about it anymore because now I have a Solo which is a million times better for the car or portability.
Vessel said:
Vessel
Well-Known Member
What about this for being legitimate : http://cgi.ebay.com/Arizer-Extreme-...307?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a675e2cf3
Its a EQ w/ a battery pack for 140 ! bit too good to be true. Also for the condition they state : "New other (see details): A new, unused item with absolutely no signs of wear. The item may be missing the original packaging, or in the original packaging but not sealed. The item may be a factory second or a new, unused item with defects. See the sellers listing for full details and description of any imperfections".
This is tempting, but is it a sham ?
Its a EQ w/ a battery pack for 140 ! bit too good to be true. Also for the condition they state : "New other (see details): A new, unused item with absolutely no signs of wear. The item may be missing the original packaging, or in the original packaging but not sealed. The item may be a factory second or a new, unused item with defects. See the sellers listing for full details and description of any imperfections".
This is tempting, but is it a sham ?
Vessel: I don't know about that particular model, but I know friends who have used their plug-in units with inverters with no issues I'm aware of. As long as you get one with sufficient wattage, I can see it as a solution if you're using your EQ in or near your car. If I were you, though, I wouldn't try to make my EQ portable. It's just too big and awkward.
For not much more than the Arizer battery pack, you can have the MFLB, which is designed to be stealthy as well as easily portable. Not only that, you'd have a backup vaporizer for those nasty times like the one where you broke your heater cover... oh wait, that was me.
For not much more than the Arizer battery pack, you can have the MFLB, which is designed to be stealthy as well as easily portable. Not only that, you'd have a backup vaporizer for those nasty times like the one where you broke your heater cover... oh wait, that was me.
Purpl3_Haz3
On a Permanent Vakation
Vessel said:
I understand you completely! I had a LB, and don't get me wrong, I loved it! But, it just wasn't in the same league or category as the EQ. I used it just as much as the Q most of the time, but then my on the go vapping needs diminished. I just prefer medicating at home. I have used my Q out side of my home on a few special occasions recently though, and it is great in the right setting. Car + Inverter + Woods/Wilderness/Middle of nowhere + EQ + Herb = Awesomeness
Have been using this for the last few months now and freaking love it.
Except for one thing...
The heating unit makes an extremely high-pitched whine that requires tapping or shutting off the unit to stop. I am now on my 3rd Extreme-Q that does this and it's really unfortunate because everything else about it is perfect. Once it starts, you HAVE to turn it off as it cuts through any TV, etc. on in the background.
I've searched online and skimmed through this thread and it really doesn't seem like a common thing. So not sure how I have had 3 units that do this![:\](/i/s/hmm.gif "Hmm :\")
Ideas / experiences?
Except for one thing...
The heating unit makes an extremely high-pitched whine that requires tapping or shutting off the unit to stop. I am now on my 3rd Extreme-Q that does this and it's really unfortunate because everything else about it is perfect. Once it starts, you HAVE to turn it off as it cuts through any TV, etc. on in the background.
I've searched online and skimmed through this thread and it really doesn't seem like a common thing. So not sure how I have had 3 units that do this
Ideas / experiences?