The Extreme-Q Vaporizer

[TommydCat]

...On another Note, i read on a site that the EQ could be adjusted in 1 degree increments with the +/- adjustment. Also myself and 4 other Adults watched as we did use the +/- buttons and it was in 1 degree increments. Now here is where is got interesting for me. We then switched it off and come back to the EQ a few hours later and now the +/- buttons where counting in 2 degree increments and it would change from an odd 2 degree plus minus, ie: 303 - 305 and then jumps to 2 degree increments on the even side, ie: 224-225. Please keep in mind that I am speaking about the control/input indicator not the feedback temperature reading.
Here is the kicker, the instruction manual says that the +/- adjusts the unit by 5 degree increments up or down, which by now based on my EQ is not the case. So ..... what is going on or what is the true deal? Thanks and much appreciate all. Cheers!

There's no warranty issue here, just a Canadian one

The unit does adjust the temperature +/- 1 degree at a time, but in degrees Celsius! If your unit is set to display Fahrenheit instead of Celsius, this doesn't change -- but the conversion will make the Farenheit temperature skip every few changes.

Try adjusting one at a time, then flip between F and C and repeat. You'll see the C numbers steadily incrementing every time

Enjoy the holidaze!

 

[killick]

Bloody Canuckleheads and their silly metrification

Anyways - just tried making my first batch of QWISO. About 8 grams of good quality med stuff, some 95% Everclear, and a hot water bath - was easy and kinda fun! So I just rolled a blob of it up and plopped into the EQ with a bit of freshly ground herb. Starting at 181c - wish me luck!

 

[ichibaneye]

There's no warranty issue here, just a Canadian one

The unit does adjust the temperature +/- 1 degree at a time, but in degrees Celsius! If your unit is set to display Fahrenheit instead of Celsius, this doesn't change -- but the conversion will make the Farenheit temperature skip every few changes.

Try adjusting one at a time, then flip between F and C and repeat. You'll see the C numbers steadily incrementing every time

Enjoy the holidaze!

Excellent information and thank you. Cheers!

 

[TheMedicalStoner]

Hey guys I got a question.

I've got my EQ 4 for a while now and I really love the thing but I have 2 major downsides with it.

1) I use it for medical reasons and it still irritates my lungs and esophagus (causing some breathing issues and an annoying pain behind my chest linked to my GERD (reflux) and other esophagus related problems.
2) I mainly need really really heavy indica's with little to none head highs but major narcotic effects and even the, by some dreaded, heavy couchlock effects which are pretty hard to get with a vaporizer.

So, my idea for problem 2 is to just crank up the heat which will, according to what i've read so far, release more other goodness and bring out the indica stone, the downside of that is that you'll be cranking it up to about 230 degrees or something (methinks, just a guesstimation) going beyond the boiling point of benzene and other toxins I obviously don't want because it's both unhealthy (that's why you got the vaporizer) and because it'll contribute to problem 1.
The same thing goes for cranking up the heat in general, if I use my whip (which I usually do, not much of a bag fan) at 230 it'll annoy stuff on the inside even more because it's just way way too hot.

So, I've been thinking about modding in general.

My first question would be, will it have any use to counter problems 1 and 2 (as in, less problems more stone)?

My second question would be, what should I mod.

I was thinking about the DDave bowl and the SSV wand in general (because everyone seems to love those) but might I benefit from hooking it to a bong as well to filter out benzene and other junk through water if I crank it up to 230 or even higher?
If yes, will it be effective enough to actually filter it out and still give me the heavy narcotic stone?

I'm a medical user so I don't really have much cash so buying an expensive bong isn't going to happen right now but maybe a cheap one or, hell, even home made something, cola bottle with water and ice or something haha.

I've been trying to go through all 300something pages and I noticed other people hooking their vaporizers up to bubblers/bongs/whatevers so I wonder if it might help me.

Can someone help me out with this?

 

[Stu]

I've been trying to go through all 300something pages and I noticed other people hooking their vaporizers up to bubblers/bongs/whatevers so I wonder if it might help me.

Can someone help me out with this?

This thread has a ton of inexpensive glass options for you to hook your EQ up to. It's definitely worth looking into as using water changed the way I used my EQ (and most other vaporizers as well).

 

[TheMedicalStoner]

OK that had soms cheap-ish bubblers/bongs/pipes indeed nut i seriously have no experience with anything else then a cola bottle with a pen in it lol.

Which ons would be suggested for something uhmm really as cheap as possible thats still good? Cuz the thread has like 5000 Models in it andere a lot are stille freakin expensive lol.
As in could someone suggest some cheap parts and models so I have everything to hook it up tot my arizer? Im
pretty much losing track of what would be useful for me.

Also, will it be significantly softer on my lungs/esophagus, will it filter out all of the toxins and could i achieve my heavy narcotic indica effect by cranking it up in combination with filtration?

 

[jojo0420]

Yes, higher heat will release more CBD and CBN, relieving your pain. But it is harsher, you should absolutely be looking into water filtration for your EQ. I would suggest WARM water though, not cold. Cold water will cause some vapor to condense in the water, loosing potency.

I've actually been using a Pinnacle water tool on top of my EQ simply utilizing an 18mm to 14mm male/male adapter. Then I simply put an elbow screen in the adapter and pack it with herb.
Makes for a very ergonomic bubbler. Basically turning the whole EQ into a water bong.

 

[TheMedicalStoner]

Yeah i pretty much figured the higher heat setting would do me good. Especially since i only vape indicas and 1:1 strains So im really not looking for the THC only head high but mostly the cbd reliëf from 1:1 strains and the heavy narcotic high from indicas. The only thing im really worried about is the toxine releases but if those are fully filtered by water its all good imo.
Atleast if you dure theyre filtered out .

If water filtration would help with the nasty lung feeling and esophagus irritation/pain aswell it would be perfect really.

Warm water might actually be more pleasant since hot showers work well against my asthmatic problems and seem to work well calming everything inside so it might actually be an awesome idea . It might actually be easy to be able to throw on the fan and let it bubble through the water and inhale once the chamber is foggy enough.

Might you have any links to the stuff needed for a (affordable )suggested setup?
I dont really care if its a bong/bubbler/whatever as long as its everything i need to hook it up and be sure im toxin free when using it.. If i pick stuff out myself im pretty sure ill end up using ductape because i bought the wrong stuff and it doesnt fit lol.
I really am a noob if it comes tot this sooo everything i need is still a mystery really haha.

 

[jojo0420]

I too have breathing problems, not asthma, slightly similar but less severe is my best description. I can't handle smoking anymore, so I'm in the vaporizing game for the long haul.
Additionally I have no proof that water filtration will remove any/all toxins, but in my experience it is vital to moisturize and cool (at least some) the vapor if you have any throat or lung issues.

The easiest way to add water filtration would be a simple water pipe with an 18mm female downstem, then the factory elbows would allow a straight plug in with a short piece of whip connecting them.
As an example: http://www.thickassglass.com/collec...ucts/9-inline-bubbler-slide-not-included-18mm

I'll try to get a couple pictures of my setups, I have multiple means of adding water filtration.

 

[Dr. Soxhlet]

The bag was about a 1/4 full and filling nicely. We then decided to hit fan speed 2 and about 15 seconds into that speed we all saw a flash of light and looked down to see the chamber with tops shelf flowers glowing red hot and then poof it capped out a ton of resin into the bag bith a puff and then it was just ash blowing in the wind.

I have also had combustion occur with ABV and high temperature settings with the EQ. Never with fresh weed though.

 

[jojo0420]

Here's a quick demonstration:

I should also note that I am using a Tuff Bowl in place of the stock Cyclone. I also have the glass shelf knocked out for more airflow, with just enough ring around the edge to hold a screen in there to keep bits off the heater.

Additionally, I run my EQ ~400F most of the time. Maybe down around 390F if I want lighter buzz, or up around 410F late at night as a sleep aid.

 

[killick]

@TheMedicalStoner I picked up my first watertool through the Classifieds forum on here for not too much cash. It's a Blaze Glass table top device. It holds about a cup of water, and I tried warm water in it (as read in the forums) and it was very smooth. I've been using it with both my EQ and also my Inhalater. For the EQ I'm using the regular whip, but at the end I inserted one of the pieces of glass that came with the EQ for bags, and on the end of that I put a 2" piece of silicone whip. It sticks in the bowl end of the water tool and seals perfectly.

The Inhalater is a pen-type vape. I put a 1" piece of silicone on the tip and it sits on the watertool all by itself. I'd post a pic but haven't figured out how to do that on here yet

 

[TheMedicalStoner]

Well I don't really have asthma either but it's asthma induced by reflux so reflux reaches the lungs which causes inflamation and blablabla you get the picture That's why my esophagus is always soar aswell .
After a few hits from my vaporizer or a normal joint I always feel like my throats closing up on me and I get trouble breathing though so that's sort of an asthmatic reaction so I consider myself asthmatic because of that hehe.

I'm currently still using the standard cyclone bowl but I'm thinking of switching to DDaves model instead since it's closer to the heat source meaning it'll heat faster and come closter to the temps actually shown by the EQ (doing idiot math of "closer to heat means hotter material" lol), I'm not sure about the SSV wand yet, idk what that might contribute to a vape... maybe somebody here knows and is able to sell it to me but since they're fairly expensive (around 25 bucks plus shipping to Europe) I'm really not sure yet.

As for the vid, the little bong looks more like my thing, I like being able to put some distance between me and my arizer (like using a whip) instead of turning it into a big @ss bong you have to carry around haha, I'd need the battery pack then xD.
I now just need to find a good bong for little cost. If possible with a small air hole because needing to pull off one elbow to inhale could be a hassle methinks, or not, either way the airholes I remember where pretty handy, no idea why I never see those anymore.

As the temps, your water filtration temp is my default temp using a whip and I still think I'm getting way to much of a heady high xD.
Ok I've tested it mostly with sativa's and blue cheese did knock me down eventually but I mostly just had a high, which is not exactly what I'm looking for all the time .
My OG Kush gave me 0 couchlock, sedation or whatever. It might have been a sativa pheno or something, I didn't breed it myself, it came from a coffeeshop (an expensive one that has a name to hold up though) but eehh, it might be that 200-210 degrees on the display (395-410F) means about 10 degrees celcius lower near your herb meaning it's running at roughly 190-200 degrees.

I was thinking more along the lines of running it at around 220-225 degrees (just below combustion point) so it leaves out the tars but does pick up on CBC and THCV (428F 220C) and other terpenes etc. as well and hope it'll contribute to the couchlock and heavy sedative (painkilling) effect...
Ofcourse you start to put out a few toxins at that point like Tuluene (which everybody gets at 231.1F 110.6C). Benzene (392F 200C) and naphthalene (424.4F 218C) but as far as I can see there are no carbonmonoxides nor much tars at that point.

So I did some quick research, bong water filters a little but not a lot. It turns out, however, that Tuluene, Benzene and Naphthalene can be filtered out by a active carbon filter but the adsorption works best at lower temperatures according to research from major filter companies.
I found another research in which they used a triple filter bong (water, cotton and active carbon) which showed fantastic results taken from SMOKED content, so it would be significantly lower "near" the boiling point (if I remember my chemistry class correctly atleast ) here's the research for anyone who cares: http://www.onlinepot.org/PDF/OnlinePot.Org_Summary-Report-to-SI-re-McFinnsTFW-110824.pdf
They didn't test for Tuluene but I know that gets filtered out (completely even I think) by carbon.

That pretty much means that adding a coal filter and a small piece of organic cotton to your setup would significantly decrease all toxins without effecting your high/stone at any temperature you use your vaporizer.

So, how could I achieve that. The piece of cotton isnt that hard just push that down in the hose at some point or just put some right before it hits the water. The active coal is going to be trickier though. I found a youtube vid in which a dude uses a carbon filter unit thingie for his bong but I'd have no idea where to get that.
Here's the video
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So my setup would be, Arizer>DDave mod>maybe SSV wand or not>hose(or hose>glass thingie for cotton>hose or hose with some cotton crammed in)>glass thingie for coal>Bong (or >Glass thingie for coal>Some cotton in the bong inlet>bong).

Now I just need to know WHAT to actually get haha.

@killick I'd buy one from the classifieds but it has to ship to Europe and since most people on here are in the US (methinks) it'll take more to ship then the thing is worth haha.
I'd like to see that though, uhmm, you can upload a pic to something like imgur.com and just copy and paste the link here. I think that's allowed.
If you make a pic (especially with a cellphone which most people do) remove the geolocation (which allows you to exactly pinpoint someones location), or if you don't know how, open it with whatever photo editor and save the jpeg to a PNG file instead, that removes stuff aswell
Not much of a pen style vape fan, I've had crappy ones thus far. I did make some weed eliquid before which works in any ecig, that's pretty cool. Lotta work though so unless you feel like brewing a pot of it i'd suggest against making a 10ml bottle like I did lol.

 

[killick]

Thanks for the great and detailed post! I'm learning a lot on the forums here!
You can post a 'wanted' ad in the classifieds as well, and there are quite a few people from the EU on here, as well as a bunch of Canadians and prolly a few Merkans as well

I tried making a wee batch of oil on here once I learned what 'qwiso' meant - I wound up with 1/2 teaspoon of very sticky clear goo. Still trying to figure out what to do with it next - mixed a bit of bud with some sticky and put some into the Extreme Q and some into the INH and had a bake-off. Butter is what keeps turning out best for me tho. Made a batch of 'herbed' scones last night, and the one for brekkie was great!

Will check the photo thingie out. I'm sure it's easy, but my lazy kicks in, too

 

[Anony Moose]

@TheMedicalStoner Regarding benzene, toluene, and naphthalene, based on my understanding of the science involved here it's not safe to assume that those substances will be inhaled when you vape cannabis at a temperature of over 200 C just because a single study said those substances started to appear in significant amounts at that temperature when cannabis was vaped at that temperature.

Yes, the study at http://www.cannabis-med.org/index.php?tpl=journal&id=230&lng=en&fid=2001:3/4&red=journallist which used the M1 Volatizer vaporizer did find that those substances formed at that temperature, but the later study at http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/jcantgieringervapor.pdf found that naphthalene was not produced in significant amounts when cannabis was vaporized by a Volcano at a measured temperature of 218 C.

My educated guess as to the reason for this discrepancy is as follows: The Volcano heated the cannabis more evenly. The M1 heated the cannabis more unevenly, and some parts of it were heated to a temperature higher than the temperature the researchers measured. As far as I understand things (here is where I could be wrong) cannabis doesn't just have benzene, toluene and naphthalene in it, rather, those are products of pyrolysis of plant matter. I think the M1 was probably inducing pyrolysis in parts of the cannabis, producing those substances by doing so.

A chemical byproduct of pyrolysis is char. Char is black. I'm not 100% sure on this, but my best guess is as follows: if you're vaping cannabis and none of it is turning black, you're not inhaling benzene, toluene and naphthalene.

 

[TheMedicalStoner]

Haha i've been doing so much cannabinoid/medical research and use/strain genetics research its nog even funny anymore. I Might actually pick up breeding my own genetics for specific medical use pretty soon (nothing big, just for friends and family, there is so much unknown potential in weed next to getting you high lol).

You quickly learn that, with the help of some already experienced users, you van easily improve something for everybodies benefit with a lot of trial and error. At least, if people are open for it ofcourse.
Look at ddaves mod for example, its simple but an obvious improvement many eq vaporers are most likely grateful for

I havent done much cooking and brewing yet, i was making eliquid and had my VG on the table anyway so decided to make soms liquid. It works great really, just a lot of work plus I made it in an old brusselsprouts jar which was totally clean but if you start boiling the jar.. You guessed it, weed with brusselsprout aftertaste hahaha.
Next up is abv and olive oil in old omeprazol capsules lol, just gotta empty them first

The fck is a qwiso? Never heard of that b4 lol.

As for your goo (lol) you can put some on a piece of nonbleached (sun bleached) organic cotton makeup remover pad and put it straight in your EQ, ive read people do the same thing with hash and shatter and get absolutely riiippped lol.

Anyway, going way offtopic hehe

I might put up a request for a proper bubbler then. I need to find out which one i should get first though so any suggestions are welcome.
Same goes for a carbon filter glass like in my video. I have no idea what sizes id need and i seriously will buy stuff that doesnt fit xD.

@Anony Moose Ehhh all the studies are shakey at best to be honest.
If you google around for vaporation points of cannabinoids and toxins you'll find a plentora of different temperatures aswell. Mainly because some people don't understand the difference between flash temps and boiling points or take a general average of those or make sort of an educated guess lol.
The only thing we know are the real boiling points of things. The amount released while boiling isn't consistent either because it evaporates at different moments in time so the dose is never the same.

There are also studies that show that Benzene and things like Naphthalene are (if at all, it's more like MIGHT) only be carcinogenic while in aromatic form, other studies show that most of them are burned while smoking a joint eliminating any form of carcinogenic effect which would mean our vaporizers would actually be more dangerous while other studies say that the vaporizer is better because they measured the levels and they are well below other studies so study A says this and study B says that.
One thing that reading medical studies have taught me is that they often factor in things like age and sex but don't put EVERYONE on the same diet or let them live in a biodome so none of the studies done so far on humans is 100% accurate. Nearly no medical study is 100% accurate ofcourse because among the above a billion other factors aren't monitored either.

That's pretty much why ex vivo studies often show a miracle while not getting the same results in vitro let alone in vivo.

The burned ABV doesn't really fly for me, ofcourse, if it's burned or if it combusted you get much higher levels of the toxins into your body so you can pretty much assume that that contributes to higher levels of toxicity and thats why I generally avoid "combustion plate vaporizers" (personal choice, I'm not saying they're bad at all) because the chance of something combusting while another part isn't even remotely close to combustion happens faster on a plate then with hot air.
Does it depend on how moist your product is? Ofcourse it does, that needs to evaporate first so that's a factor aswell, as are a 1000 other things .
However, volatile gasses start building up after their boiling point, it's like putting a pot of water on the stove, if you boil it it will vape. If you boil it long enough your pot will be empty .
So, are the temperatures 100% accurate. Yes the boiling point and flash point are, with small exceptions, accurate but there ARE different factors in play as well.

IMO it's best to avoid things if possible without much hassle, like, I know it's unhealthy to stand behind a running truck. If i'm forced to because I'm in traffic or whatever I just stay there but if I'm just standing there behind it I'll just step aside. Will I die if I don't? Most likely not. Will it drasticly increase my chance on cancer? Most likely not. Is it still safer not to do so? Ofcourse it is, why the hell would you stay behind the truck if you know it MIGHT POSSIBLY CONTRIBUTE to you getting cancer.

Soooo, if I can filter it out without much hassle, why not? It's healthier to do so so I might aswell .

Unless you work for Big Pharma it's best to think of things like "Why cure if able to prevent?" if you do work for Big Pharma you obviously wouldn't because you'd literally be loosing money so you'd be a total idiot to do so haha.

 

[ichibaneye]

I have also had combustion occur with ABV and high temperature settings with the EQ. Never with fresh weed though.

I did not say that the ABV combusted. I stated it actually did not and that the fresh Herb combusted. Cheers.

 

[Anony Moose]

@TheMedicalStoner I'd suggest the D020-D from sunshinestore on DHGate as an affordable, well-performing bubbler that's popular here; sunshinestore is widely considered the most reliable seller on DHGate. It has an 18/18.8/19mm female joint which you could connect to your Extreme by replacing the mouthpiece of your Extreme's whip with an 18/18.8/19mm male waterpipe adapter. There's many different adapters you can get, as I'm sure you're aware if you've read this thread.

 

[TheMedicalStoner]

That looks pretty cool in deed. Is the D the best buy or is the X or whatever a lot beter? Is this the best store to get it from btw since the shipping cost to Europe is about the same as the entire unit I indeed read most of the topic but at some point i reached the cba tl;dr level lol. Any suggestions for the adapter? Want to be sure i get the right one.. Also, do you have any suggestions for the carbon fiber glass thingie as the one in My video above?

 

[Anony Moose]

Is the D the best buy or is the X or whatever a lot beter? Is this the best store to get it from btw since the shipping cost to Europe is about the same as the entire unit Any suggestions for the adapter?

I think the D's perc has similar, if not better, diffusion to the X's perc with a little less drag than the X's perc so I think the D is a better buy, but, you know, opinions.

I think you'd be hard pressed to get a matrix (or comparable) perc anywhere else for double the price (including shipping) you would from DHGate.

Adapter? If you happen to have two Arizer elbow joints, those will work, but they're not very durable. Vapor Brothers makes an affordable 19mm adapter that isn't bent like the elbow ones, I think it's probably more durable without the bend. A pricier option that's popular here is putting a Silver Surfer Vaporizer wand into the Extreme's cyclone bowl instead of the elbow joint. You could then use your elbow joint as the adapter for the waterpipe as it's 19mm male.

 

[TheMedicalStoner]

Yeah I've been looking at that SSV wand. Looks cool but uhmm what's the benefit? I don't really get it lol.
I also want to get one of those DDave bowls cuz they just seem a lot better so idk if the SSV wand would do anything more for it...

DHgate it is then, I'll go for the D then, if there's no major difference it looks great imo, especially for that rediculously low price, ok shipping costs the same as the unit itself but a full pyrex glass unit, I can't even buy a full pyrex glass mug for that price (lol I most likely can but figure of speech ).

And about that carbon filter I showed in the video above. Do you have any suggestiongs for something that might fit this setup because that thing obviously won't (will it? I don't think so right xD).

 

[Tweak]

Yeah I've been looking at that SSV wand. Looks cool but uhmm what's the benefit? I don't really get it lol.

It's where you put your material, instead of inside the cyclone. You use the EQ elbow screen to hold the material inside the wand.

I used the SSV wand and removed the middle glass section of my cyclone bowl to allow more air flow, the section that normally holds the screen. If you notice, they differ in size between cyclone bowls.

-It holds less than the Cyclone, but more than an Elbow pack. Better efficiency. Also improved by using a dome screen inside the SSV wand to adjust bowl size.
-It is stirrable, simply by shaking the wand.
-It takes away the 90 degree bend of the EQ elbow glass piece, and adds more glass for the biggest reclaim particles to collect on, instead of inside your hose.
-When your wand is clean, you can see the vapors dancing through the wand.
-Improved Air-flow - now allows for bigger SSV Sized tubing - You will never go back to the dinky EQ tubing, lol

 

[TheMedicalStoner]

That looks very cool indeed. It's going on my list, just as a lower priority since they're pretty expensive and, well, I don't really have the cash laying around for it lol.

My priority is the bubbler and a little bowl I can use as a carbon filter but I seriously need help finding one of those since I have no idea what would fit.

Another question. Anyone ever try to turn on their fan to let their bubbler run instead of just inhaling for half a minute?
I was watching a quick review of the D020-D and I pretty much inhaled air while the dude was using the bubbler to fil it up, I was pretty much out of breath before he got to dense fog and after that you still need to actually inhale it! lol.

 

[TheMedicalStoner]

Sooo next to the question I had about using the fan for the bubbler I googled a bit and found this.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GOG-19MM-CA...772?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337c367114

What do you guys think, would this be any good? Or rather, would it even fit lol

There's a 14mm one aswell, no idea if that's any better, I don't really know what dimension would be needed .

 

[Anony Moose]

That Carbon adapter looks like it'd connect a whip to a D020-D since it's 19mm female to 19mm male. I don't think it's necessary due to reasons I discussed earlier, but I suppose peace of mind is priceless.