The Arizer Air

[OF]

it can't power the vape directly through the charger -- not enough juice! So the battery's charge level will be a factor in how effective the heating element is.

I think I'll vote 'yes and no' on this one. That is yes, the charger can't supply all the power needed (a bit under half last time I 'ran the numbers'). The remainder has to come from the battery, so it needs to have about 2/3 the power needed to do a session.

However, if it has at least that level of charge, nothing changes except the start up time gets longer (from a minute 20 seconds or so topped up to 2 minutes 20 seconds nearly discharged in the testing I just did). This was battery only, I suspect 'charge while using' would make the difference even less. Once at temperature the heater is simply on a different number of seconds each minute. The average temperature is exactly the same, the user will 'see' no difference in performance until he hits the wall.

OF

 

[Stu]

Once at temperature the heater is simply on a different number of seconds each minute. The average temperature is exactly the same, the user will 'see' no difference in performance until he hits the wall.

OF, do you not see a lag in temp recovery between hits as the batt gets depleted? Or does the current remain constant?

 

[OF]

OF, do you not see a lag in temp recovery between hits as the batt gets depleted? Or does the current remain constant?

No, I couldn't detect any with my stopwatch. Perhaps I'm not hitting it hard enough to see that, but I did try to. Given that the difference in a 300F plus rise is something like a minute maximum I would not expect more than few seconds at most. And you see more variation than that hit to hit. Or at least I do.

I suspect if you handed a guy the Air after it was at temperature he'd be very hard pressed to tell you how charged the battery is. I'm sure I would be. Be a fun test, though. Maybe we should add it to the FC convention in Colorado? Right after the 'biggest cloud' contest?

OF

 

[Stu]

Right after the 'biggest cloud' contest?

As long as it's before the ataxian glass-breaking contest. I don't like to wear shoes.

 

[olivianewtonjohn]

For those wondering about the battery inicator:

Battery depleted with these colors:
Green, white, yellow, red

I did not see a blue battery level.

 

[peterpiper]

Never saw white. Just green yellow and red, maybe i missed white!

 

[Kid Lightning]

For those wondering about the battery inicator:

Battery depleted with these colors:
Green, white, yellow, red

I did not see a blue battery level.

Mine was exactly the same as this i found

I been using Panasonic 18650b's with no problems at all , i usually go about 4 sessions and than take it out before the voltage gets to low. I honestly feel they heat quicker and better than the stock battery for me. Now this will void your warranty and Arizer does not recommend it at all so do this at your own risk .

I too am going to use a battery manafactured by somone other than arizer, i know you said it voids your warrenty but say that your air was to brake and you send it back to arizer with the original battery installed back inside they would never know, right?

 

[OF]

As long as it's before the ataxian glass-breaking contest. I don't like to wear shoes.

Is that different than the Ataxian Impersonator contest? It's not like Elvis, hard to look like him when nobody knows for sure what he looks like.......I'm assuming most of the contestants will depend heavily on the breaking glass (and looking like a surfer) part?

I too am going to use a battery manafactured by somone other than arizer, i know you said it voids your warrenty but say that your air was to brake and you send it back to arizer with the original battery installed back inside they would never know, right?

No, they would trust you I'm sure. Same as if you sent it in with no battery at all. You get to decide the ethics of course, but it is a term of the contract.

For myself, I'll stick with the factory battery until more is known. If I then decide to void the warranty and use something else I'll take responsibility for that. Just like I do with all the vapes I crack (open up) for poking around. IMO once I do, the warranty is blown.....not that I've had any serious problems to think back on it.

Your call.

OF

 

[Kid Lightning]

Yeah i guess your right, i think i'll hang on just to see.

 

[peterpiper]

Just trying different temps. Yes i did get a white indicator. So green white yellow red.

 

[EVlL 55]

...hello everyone...
I bore out the center of my stem,..my miniature soloesque type,...after I smashed the blk.tip one up of course,..no great loss IMO....
Immediate difference I noticed... In every aspect...I also have a flat screen in the oven,..& a extreme q domed screen cut down in the stem....
....I use an electric grinder/tobacco shredder on my blend...and shake it thru my pollen box a couple times... this extracts a decent yield of pollen..which iv found,..can clog up and impact air flow..gets moist.
...I then make up "parfait" type stems of herb,.pollen,herb an vape em up....
...the main body of my product..now keif extracted,.. (to an extent)..now produces some massive,..clear pulls for me.
....I think I read at some point perhaps due to its small size,..the restriction in the air flow is nessasary so the unit can keep up,..but iv found the oven to be just great...
I also use Panasonics,..and efests,...and arizers silver & red supplied batteries...
If I'm voiding a warranty I'm guilty. For sure....but there's something to be said for swapping out batteries vs. waiting on a charge....
I leave one in from full to about %20...I'll use and charge that one batt for the day...
Before I bed I swap out the battery for a fresh one for the new day.
This works well for my situation...not all situations are the same I suppose tho.

 

[Vapoleon]

Hello everybody! Thank you for the information above, i'm convinced to buy the AA very soon.

My question is:

Anibody from EUROPE bought his AA fom arizer.com - from the manufacturer?
So how it comes if so? it comes with EU plug, and with GLS mail? everithing was allright with the delivery?

Or from witch store should i buy mine? (vapefiend.co.uk says that they only have it with UK plug)

waiting for your response.
Thank You Guys, have a nice vaping time to all of you.
PS: I'm from hungary, so if there is somebody from central-east europe and could tell me this things wolud be fine

 

[stark1]

I also use Panasonics,..and efests,...and arizers silver & red supplied batteries...
If I'm voiding a warranty I'm guilty. For sure....but there's something to be said for swapping out batteries vs. waiting on a charge....

From reports, ppl have used alternate batteries without grave issues. The possible issue may be in charging
these batteries in the unit.

I,too, am going to dig out my batteries from my laser collection, charge them up with their chargers, and lock and load.

Loads of time, "blizzard" o'side.

 

[bluenavey00]

Hello everybody! Thank you for the information above, i'm convinced to buy the AA very soon.

My question is:

Anibody from EUROPE bought his AA fom arizer.com - from the manufacturer?
So how it comes if so? it comes with EU plug, and with GLS mail? everithing was allright with the delivery?

Or from witch store should i buy mine? (vapefiend.co.uk says that they only have it with UK plug)

waiting for your response.
Thank You Guys, have a nice vaping time to all of you.
PS: I'm from hungary, so if there is somebody from central-east europe and could tell me this things wolud be fine

Hello, I bought mine from vapefiend. Very good customer service, they gave me next day delivery and got it within 24 hours of order

It came with a UK plug. One longer all glass stem. And one shorter plastic tipped stem.

 

[stark1]

@Vapoleon: there are four options for charger plugs: US; AU, UK, & EU.

The vendor should sort it out for you. Should they fuck up and send the wrong one, there are travel adapters
For international Air voyagers.

Alternatively, I bet as a FC member, with Randy's PIU site code, he can fix you up. One outstanding member of our small community. ( Pssst! great price to boot. )

Translation, email Randy @ Puff It UP! He responds, almost, instantaneously!

On a side note, buying directly from the manufacturer one pays full retail, MSRP, in US$! for US.

 

[fabronaut]

From reports, ppl have used alternate batteries without grave issues. The possible issue may be in charging
these batteries in the unit.:

I think so long as you don't charge unapproved batteries in the Air, you're fine. I don't think the discharge of the battery itself while in use is a huge problem, provided the current voltage isn't way over spec and it ends up frying something?

not sure if that's even possible though? I doubt there's much voltage regulation going on in the unit itself. I think circuitry for that would increase the size and become another potential point of failure. prolly another reason why they suggest sticking to the stock batteries? Where's @OF when we need him...

basically just avoid charging unofficial, unapproved, non Arizee batts in the Air. No point melting a perfectly good vape through carelessness

 

[stark1]

Where's @OF when we need him...

don't worry, Dude the Old Friend is always rounding the corner.

 

[Kid Lightning]

Hello everybody! Thank you for the information above, i'm convinced to buy the AA very soon.

My question is:

Anibody from EUROPE bought his AA fom arizer.com - from the manufacturer?
So how it comes if so? it comes with EU plug, and with GLS mail? everithing was allright with the delivery?

Or from witch store should i buy mine? (vapefiend.co.uk says that they only have it with UK plug)

waiting for your response.
Thank You Guys, have a nice vaping time to all of you.
PS: I'm from hungary, so if there is somebody from central-east europe and could tell me this things wolud be fine

Im from uk and i ordered off namastevapes, it was the cheapest in the uk at the time and their service was very good. It came with the two pronged european plug and an adapter to convert it into the 3 pronged uk plugs.

Also regarding the flashing lights and the charge level, i also find that when i plug my air into charge the light flashes once with the colour of what the charge level is currently at (white in my case) and then begins to flash green continuously to indicate its charging, unless everyones blinks white once when they enter a charger?

 

[SSVUN~YAH]

I tried the Air over the last weekend exclusively and it has nothing over Solo in my opinion. You are just paying $260 instead of $160.00. I think Haze tastes the same if not better at setting 2 and 3 with convection screens.

Replaceable batteries and sleeker, stealthy look and feel quickly come to mind. Who paid $260 for an AA?!? PIU to the rescue, Randy has them for $170, jackpot! IMO the only thing the Solo has over the AA (besides the $10-$40 cheaper price) is a longer lasting battery. Plus the AA is so sleek it can attach to many more bubblers without a need for excess adapters. Plus the weight doesn't scare me at all when using my expensive glass, the bulky Solo sure did sometimes.

 

[stark1]

Yeah, I have always been adverse to gaining weight.

anyone gotten a Titanium version yet? Lighter? or is it colored Ti?

 

[KidFated.]

It's just color

 

[OF]

I think so long as you don't charge unapproved batteries in the Air, you're fine. I don't think the discharge of the battery itself while in use is a huge problem, provided the current voltage isn't way over spec and it ends up frying something?

not sure if that's even possible though? I doubt there's much voltage regulation going on in the unit itself. I think circuitry for that would increase the size and become another potential point of failure.

Actually such circuitry is very much in play, which is why charging random batteries is potentially a problem. It seems Air pushes the charge voltage a bit higher than normal to get more run time, something that's no doubt OK with the one they selected but risks early failure in others. Could even cause a hard failure (for which Arizer would be liable if they hadn't excluded it). Likewise the low end cut off, as reported by Centizen, is under what some batteries allow, you could kill it off that way too, although nothing showy. Lots of voltage regulation going on, just not the usual voltages?

That's why they're using unprotected batteries, they're using it out of range for such PCBs it seems. Therefore that protection has to be built into the Air.

I suspect it's the same issue with chargers? That is the one they picked will overcharge other battery types?

Bottom line is the maker forbids it on safety reasons (probably more for battery safety than yours or mine) and it violates the warranty, which is extremely important to some. At a minimum I think those 2 cautions should accompany any advice to use random batteries? "I did it and it was just fine" doesn't always fully cover things. I know guys that date married women and some who smoke cigarettes.........

Your call, but I can't recommend it at this point as we don't even know what's actually going on past 'it's not the usual case'. IMO folks that tell you it is (the usual case) don't have even the few facts we're collecting to base that judgment on (or they don't understand Li-ion batteries)? Not a good place for guesses I think.

OF

 

[Vapoleon]

Hello, I bought mine from vapefiend. Very good customer service, they gave me next day delivery and got it within 24 hours of order

It came with a UK plug. One longer all glass stem. And one shorter plastic tipped stem.

Yes I have an EQ from vapefiend, its a very good store! The EQ also comed with UK plug so i had to buy an UK to EU adapter that works perfctly.

i'd like to buy the AA from the vapefiend because i trust them but it would be nice pick it with EU plug, just because its easier for travel or whatever.

Which store should i trust to make my international delvery to central-east europe with EU plug? Any idea from you guys ?

 

[Bingo Bango]

Hello everybody! Thank you for the information above, i'm convinced to buy the AA very soon.

My question is:

Anibody from EUROPE bought his AA fom arizer.com - from the manufacturer?
So how it comes if so? it comes with EU plug, and with GLS mail? everithing was allright with the delivery?

Or from witch store should i buy mine? (vapefiend.co.uk says that they only have it with UK plug)

waiting for your response.
Thank You Guys, have a nice vaping time to all of you.
PS: I'm from hungary, so if there is somebody from central-east europe and could tell me this things wolud be fine

I'm another UK customer that's looking at vapefiend; used them in the past for a solo and accessories and no complaints.

 

[Vapoleon]

@Vapoleon: there are four options for charger plugs: US; AU, UK, & EU.

The vendor should sort it out for you. Should they fuck up and send the wrong one, there are travel adapters
For international Air voyagers.

Alternatively, I bet as a FC member, with Randy's PIU site code, he can fix you up. One outstanding member of our small community. ( Pssst! great price to boot. )

Translation, email Randy @ Puff It UP! He responds, almost, instantaneously!

On a side note, buying directly from the manufacturer one pays full retail, MSRP, in US$! for US.

Who is Randy?

So should i avoid buying directly from the manufacturer because it costs more to me living in eastern eu?

Thank you for the info

namastevapes

Thank you! i'll see namastevapes now! I see there are present in germany too its closer to mee.

Namaste vapes is a good reseller?

Newer heard abaut Namastevapes before, but to mee it seems like i should trust in Namastevapes, no?

Had somebody else expeience with this store before?
I see the are present in USA, UK, and also in Germany witch is the most closest country to me.
I dont speak german so i visited the UK store and on the information about what is included with the AA they say: ...

• 1 x Battery Charger (Local Plug always included - based on shipping location

Any suggestion in the Namastevapes question?
My EQ is waiting his little brother anxiously hehe