The Arizer Air
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KeroZen
Chronic vapaholic
@biohacker : if the two vapes don't operate at the same voltage it's very likely that the Solo has a 9V charger and the Air a 5V one like the Goboof Alpha.
@steama : haha right
@steama : haha right
smokum
I am who I am and your approval isn't needed!
Not necessarily... It's quite possible that they utilize a buck-boost of some sort, while we do know from the past that most can't be used without a battery (true bypass) and is simply charging the batter while the battery is still producing as normal (?)
No way of knowing for sure at this pint until those with tinkering fingers get them in hand
speculation is a slippery slope ehEdited to correct typo
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dabselector
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single battery PAX for example, charging on 9v
I think they will both still be out!
The new glass fits the current solo model And I'm excited about that! 
I dropped my OG stem and had to use a PVHES, which works fine I just don't prefer the extra air holes. Since I had to get a new stem, VAS said save on shipping and get an AIR! 
OF
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That doesn't follow. Since power is current times voltage you can get the same power at half the voltage by using twice the current. Same as your laptop (or Solo charger) does when you're in Europe and plug into 220 VAC rather than in the US and use 120 VAC with exactly the same gear.
I believe that is the case, we'll know for sure real soon. Since Arizer is using a custom unit (the connector is used outside it's normal voltage rating) I suspect they'll want to use the same charger for the same reasons?
I don't think that's likely at all, since we know the Solo is already using a 12 Volt (not 9 Volt) charger......or at least some of us do. Now more of us do I think?
Not necessarily... It's quite possible that they utilize a buckbooster of some sort, while we do know from the past that most can't be used without a battery (true bypass) and is simply charging the batter while the battery is still producing as normal (?)
No way of knowing for sure at this pint until those with tinkering fingers get them in hand
Actually no such animal in this application. It's Buck (countering the applied voltage, lowering it) as in Solo not Boost (raising it higher by reenforcing the applied voltage, no doubt not happening here). FWIW the Solo charger is a 'switcher' (switching power supply), a whole other deal that makes the applied AC into high voltage DC then 'chops' it back to AC at very high frequency and then uses a very efficient transformer to change voltage to what's needed.
And while it's not really "true bypass" the Solo will run just fine without a battery as many have reported doing. I suspect Air will be the same.
IMO speculation is just fine, in fact a good thing even, but it doesn't change the rules for how electrons work. Much understanding for us mortals there I think......for those interested in such stuff.
Regards to all, soon we will know more........to our collective delight.
OF
u bwade wunner
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No ho ho ho here as yet it's $55 to Oceania Australia to ship the Air
I'm slowly working leaning towards the Air because of accessories I already own inc.f bomb and eds solo stems etc.i still have one eds first solo prototypes. My eye catches it every so often when I'm looking through my vape stuff.
Making these two vapes compatible was a pretty clever idea by Arizer.
smokum
I am who I am and your approval isn't needed!
@OF
I meant a buck-boost ... pardon my Hazzzzzze (edited my post).
I was unaware of the unit pulled working without battery... color me stupid
Speculation, in a forum of 'enlightened' peeps, many times only leads to unnecessary defensiveness with personal beliefs or understandings without actually having the discussed item in hand to demonstrate nor describe
I meant a buck-boost ... pardon my Hazzzzzze (edited my post).
I was unaware of the unit pulled working without battery... color me stupid
Speculation, in a forum of 'enlightened' peeps, many times only leads to unnecessary defensiveness with personal beliefs or understandings without actually having the discussed item in hand to demonstrate nor describe
OF
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I was unaware of the unit pulled working without battery... color me stupid
Speculation, in a forum of 'enlightened' peeps, many times only leads to unnecessary defensiveness with personal beliefs or understandings without actually having the discussed item in hand to demonstrate nor describe
Sorry, Bro, can't buy "stupid". No way. Perhaps 'uninformed' but stupid is a long long ways from there. Stupid might include insisting something that obviously can't be is happening?
I agree, sometimes guys take stuff personally when it should be an objective discussion of how things are, a chance to share and learn more. That, I think, is a lost opportunity.
I think it definitely contributes to our collective understanding (or at least can), not only in this case but also of the laws of physics that really control the science we love. For instance, from a physics standpoint it's obvious that the desire to reduce restrictions (allowing more air draw in) is not going to produce any more vapor (limited by available power) but rather will reduce the THC concentration as it does in say Ascent......by robbing heat energy to needlessly heat more air that otherwise would have made more vapor. Can't do both with limited resources. Them's the rules. Heat more air, or make more vapor, take your choice.
Good stuff if you approach it right IMO, even a potential learning experience perhaps? Ootherwise I agree, best avoided.
Regards,
OF
Edit: Funny timing, I just got a PM from a friend who contacted Arizer. It seems my (hopefully educated) guess that the charger is the same was wrong, they are using 5 Volts, meaning a USB version should be very simple (Pipes, you working on this yet???), but will no doubt be slower than the wall wart.
Some 'dancing' around the stem/draw issue, but it still sounds like it's on par with the new Solo?
Hopefully Kevin is cool with my quoting a third party quoting him to me:
Your first question is difficult to answer, but I would personally say that the draw resistance of the Air is the perfect balance of air flow and resistance. That's just my personal opinion, and draw resistance has as much to do with how you pack the tubes as it does with the air flow design.
The Air Charger is 5v, not 12v, and you should never use a Solo Charger with the Air.
The Air Batteries are very high quality proprietary 18650 cells. A Dual Battery Wall Charger accessory that can charge one or two Air Batteries will be available for purchase on our website (coming soon).
Best Regards,
Kevin
Arizer Tech
Service@arizer.com
One final thought, if the Solo chargers can damage the Air if you accidentally plug one in (many of us are sure to have at least one lying around) I sincerely hope they changed the connector so that's not physically possible? To not do so would be a troubling oversight.......
OF
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18650 battery huh? So I would assume that they woulkd charge in my tenergy dual 18650 charger that I got with my Cera? I charge my INH05 Samsung 3000 mah batts in there and it works fine. Any input on this would be appreciated
I doubt Arizer would cease production of the solo unless the air is significantly cheaper to manufacture or something like that. Even then I would imagine market demand would lead it to keep being produced for a while at least. The air would have to work its way in regardless.
lwien
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Um......if my memory serves me correctly (and that's kind of questionable), the Solo had some issues that were corrected with a few different fixes over the first year of release.
OF
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Of course I could be wrong but I don't think so.
You lie and I'll swear to it........we can do this......
OF
EveryDayAmnesiac
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What bothers me is that there are THREE temperature settings separating less than 20 degrees of temperature (383F - 401F), yet no temp below 365 F. I guess Arizer knows their base and that's what the base wants, but it seems pretty silly to me.
I'd much rather have one temp setting in the 340 or 350 range, and one less setting between 383 and 401. But... to each their own.
I'd much rather have one temp setting in the 340 or 350 range, and one less setting between 383 and 401. But... to each their own.
OF
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As the number of steps gets smaller, so will the percentage of guys that find their favorite number? FWIW I too would have cast a wider net, to support the low temp guys......nobody asked me, either.
Hopefully they've done their homework so a minimum will be disappointed. Ironically the number and value of steps is a software thing, the same hardware (heater, sensor, power source, etc.) will support any number of steps desired......if the display can keep up.
Time will tell.
OF
akwardsauce
gold all in my chains...dont believe me just watch
awesome thanks...looks like my old solo has full battery capacity still! i gotta say this thing is a tank! it has NEVER failed me yet!
biohacker
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KeroZen
Chronic vapaholic
Then my uneducated guess was right, it's 5V only like on the recently released Goboof Alpha. What worries me a bit then, is that they also used a high discharge rate cell of rather large capacity, but nearly all users so far in the thread mentionned that the charging time was quite long (something around 4-5h) Let's hope it's not the case here too.
I don't doubt it could output as many or near as many watts as the Solo, as we see the same situation with the Crafty vs Mighty (28W and 30W peak output respectively, with one and two cells) But my intuition tells me it should be more "inferior or equal" rather than superior. That should be ample enough anyways...
One thing is sure though and we both mentionned it: battery life *could be* as much as twice shorter between charges... Having it swappable is definitely welcome in all cases, I wish my other vapes had that feature too.
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I understand it's mostly a user interface problem but I find it a bit sad that is has fewer temp settings than the Solo, and very sad that there is no low temp setting (in fact, like for the Haze and some other recent portables, it's a show stopper for me
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u bwade wunner
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Me too, I've struggled these past few days looking at the Air and deciding if I should bite or not and I've not known why but it was @Pappy that made me see sense making a decision.so thanks for that
I've decided to (well almost
) to go for a solo to tide me over until the Air has received reviews.the Air sale ends tomorrow and the solo mass drop as well.by that stage it will be too late to opt for either.i primarily need a new vape unit where I can't use my Vapman which would be in my garden which is in earshot of neighbours or on a vape break in a pub convenience.there just isn't enough information for me available to make thie Air a worthy purchase.I also have an imag+ coming for test and review so I'm covered.With Arizer I had a positive experience with the extreme but a negative one with the M103 solo and that left a sour taste since so many love theirs,so I think I ll give the 2014 update of the solo a whizz and hopefully it's enough of an update to keep me satisfied.heck half the forum here who own solos can't be wrong so we shall roll the dice again.
But the Air and the current ramp up of posts reminds me of good times when the solo was released.Its become a blast with the crafty and now the new Air on FC.No where else will You see breakdown and analysis of a vape like You see on Here so thanks for making it easier guys.
VAS causes headaches,so much so I went on a Tbreak to clear my head these past few days.it was easy actually and it felt good.maybe Im lucky.
I hope it works out for You early birds and the Air blows the solo out of the water.Cant wait for the reviews.it may not be too late to consider the Air if the reviews roll in soon.
The good news is Ill be needing to have a word with @Pipes for his solo base station
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biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
The 2014 Solo is basically my favourite vape of all time, with the E-nano being a close second. This is after owning EVO, Cloud, Cloud+, Herbie, Extreme-q, SSV, VHW, Inhalater, and i'm sure i'm forgetting a few others. You made a sound decision, believe me. Now, I don't think the Air will blow the Solo out of the water, but you may be wise to sit back and wait to see how it goes. It's easy to get excited, but it doesn't mean it will all be smooth sailing. I usually jump on stuff like this, but i'm happy to be patient this time, and avoid some of the pitfalls I experienced with the early Solo's. The chipping fiasco was one thing, but then the switch to stainless and "cool running" Solo's which Arizer said was normal, and just increase the temp one number. I really hope when the Air is released, it won't change for a long time, but I just find it hard to believe based on their history. Can't blame them for being progressive, but the ceramic bowl Solo's just proved that they didn't beta test them nearly as long as they should have. They blamed a certain "batch", but clearly the technology or headaches associated with it weren't worth keeping. Shame, I agree that they performed and tasted better.
I have to put down the FC to watch Walking Dead. But the Solo is always nearby.It's like a DRUG! Better than any video game console anticipation, or favourite new music album release! And I anticipate it more than even a new episode of Breaking Bad! Damn I loved that show!
Well mine has shipped. Of course I'm anxiously filling Volcano bags while I wait. Hope the Air tastes good . I never considered myself a taste snob but considering all the people who inhale forest fires and claim to be, I guess I must be too because I can't get enough of this sweet vapor.
The Air is for my mom. I still want a Crafty but I'm curious to see how this persuades me.
. I never considered myself a taste snob but considering all the people who inhale forest fires and claim to be, I guess I must be too because I can't get enough of this sweet vapor.The Air is for my mom. I still want a Crafty but I'm curious to see how this persuades me.
lwien
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Yup............very true. But I still think that there is a bit of a gamble in being an early adopter of any product, even if it's an evolved product from an earlier model for there are still some new manufacturing going on with technologies that is new to Arizer.
There were some people that were pretty quick to claim that there was no gamble in purchasing the new S&B portables being that they came from S&B, but after a few weeks into the game, some problems arose that S&B had to address.
Regardless of the reputation of the company or the evolution of product, ANY brand new product coming to market typically will go through some fixes on their path to maturity.
i'm just sayin' that there is a ticket that typically needs to be paid by being an early adopter and that those going into this needs to be aware of that.
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