stickstones
Vapor concierge
Safety wise this wouldn't matter if the air isn't heated yet.
The Arizer Air
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Safety wise this wouldn't matter if the air isn't heated yet.
OF
Well-Known Member
There is no aluminum near any heated air here that I can see. And even if there was, I'm not sure I'd be worried at the temperatures we're talking about here. I'm sure not afraid of the Thanksgiving turkey cooked in an aluminum pan under aluminum foil.
Chemically there's actually no Aluminum exposed, strange as that might seem. If you scratch an aluminum pan with a kitchen knife, before you can set the knife down Aluminum Oxides (mostly Al2O3 IIRC) form on the exposed surface. This continues several 'atomic layers' deep, completely sealing the surface (and therefore stopping the reaction). Al2O3 is tough stuff indeed, we make 'sandpaper' out of it.
SS it actually a similar deal. Iron (the major component) oxidizes (rusts) but unlike with Aluminum the physical size of the rust molecule is bigger than the hole the iron came out of, it 'doesn't stick' at the atomic level, which is why Iron can 'rust away'. Enter Vanadium, the necessary additive to make it 'stainless' (which it's actually not really). Vanadium oxide is very tough, optically clear, and again protects what's underneath (called 'passivisation' if you really care). SS it generally considered safe to much higher temperatures.
IMO it's safe by reasonable standards. Just my opinion, but there's my reasons.
I know that photo, I took it. While I don't know which of the several 'known safe' at those temperatures it is, there are several commonly used up to 500F. Silicone rubbers and Teflon belong on that list as well. If they were outgasing anything, that would mean they were degrading (in all but the Silicone case which can be catalysts which give that 'rubber smell'). The electronics is in the lower case, at much lower temperature, is not an issue any more than my monitor, computer or TV set is. If something fails and 'burns up' that's another issue, but otherwise we're talking pretty low temperatures.
I know such worries are somewhat common, and such concerns are healthy I think. I just don't share them, my understand and experience tells me this is just not a significant risk. At least not here. Some of the 'quick and dirty' vape pens and such are different of course, but I agree with the others. An outfit like Arizer, that can produce such a well designed and functioning vape can surely analyze such risks (and no doubt start out the process from the list of 'safe' materials for the application.
Confusing enough?
OF
stark1
Lonesome Planet
@OF any chance there is someone in the thread with enuf clout to invite a member of Ariser's R&D to field a few concerning questions. To AIR everything, so to speak.
It would be a two way street, with Airizer also benefitting from our feedback about their newly launched product.
Just sayin.....
It would be a two way street, with Airizer also benefitting from our feedback about their newly launched product.
Just sayin.....
OF
Well-Known Member
Beats me. AFAIK they read and post here, but like everyone else can decide what they wish to respond to. No invitation needed.
To be frank, though, my advice to them (based on experience in other threads) would be to avoid it. There are too many folks with axes to grind, and too many flat out rude, to be sure it'd be productive. I'm not thinking of members in this discussion, mind, but we drove 3 or 4 such attempts away in Iolite, drove PD off the market (IMO) and can, unfortunately be poor hosts I think.
Too much chance of being 'put on the spot' by unreasonable (and IMO uneducated in the details in some cases) guys anonymously.
I think at least some of naysayers that tend to show up are never going to change their minds, they don't really come to learn, and 'write off' honest replies as lies. It's in the nature of such Forums, of course, but because of it I'd never invite a friend in to face such 'treatment'.
OF
Doesn't the air path start with the small holes right on top of the unit around the chamber...? It seems that if you could use it with the silicone skin on, that's the only place it could come from since the skin pretty much covers any other possible place air can come from. I guess it can come from the bottom of the oven with the skin off and only comes through the top with the skin on...?
Even with the Solo, I believe the air comes from the small holes on the top of unit surrounding the heating chamber and not up through the unit.
stark1
Lonesome Planet
@OF Flux of questions could be filtered, if someone, retired or otherwise, is willing to bin them; then field them.
But I can see the chaos, I can imagine the headaches.
Yes, well, just a thought.
On a side note, after the War, Aluminum was used extensively in cookware, decades after, Alzheimer
Cases spiked. Today, Aluminum is still used in deodorants, as it is hydrophillic. Now, what was I trying to say?
But I can see the chaos, I can imagine the headaches.
Yes, well, just a thought.
On a side note, after the War, Aluminum was used extensively in cookware, decades after, Alzheimer
Cases spiked. Today, Aluminum is still used in deodorants, as it is hydrophillic. Now, what was I trying to say?
I think it will replace my pax based on everyone's reviews. I got a tracking number and it's still in Canada
photobooth
Well-Known Member
It's been mentioned before, but try the tracking number in USPS's tracking site (assuming you are American). Once it hits the border, Canada Post often won't update the status until it's delivered. Worth a tryI think it will replace my pax based on everyone's reviews. I got a tracking number and it's still in Canada
olivianewtonjohn
Well-Known Member
alltoreup
Damn you, party liquor
Just found that the O ring that seals EQ bags is a perfect fit to the Air mouthpiece with the plastic off. Fits right over the threads. This creates a spectacular air tight seal in both a female 14mm and with a little pressure a male 18to14mm adapter. I just used my Air this way on my GB-242 recycler. Popped the 18to14 adapter on the 14mm male joint of the recycler and the Oring around those threads seals the air path perfectly.
All this in the name of science, I tell you...
...Well, that and my drop down adapter still isn't here yet...
All this in the name of science, I tell you...
...Well, that and my drop down adapter still isn't here yet...
OF
Well-Known Member
Glad to amuse and otherwise entertain if I can't inform.
I was once characterized as 'useless trivia is one of the many things he's full of....'. "Garbage mind" was I think in there somewhere. I was younger then.
Thanks very much for the kind words, but you might have noticed a lot of other good folks contribute to our collective understanding......including the guy in the mirror.....
OF
Nice thought and all, but it's not happening. As long as this forum has anything to do with illegal substances, Arizer is staying away. Even then, the way we have treated many manufacturers in the past has caused most to want to stay as far away from the 'drama' as possible.
OF
Well-Known Member
Understood, but IMO it's a long standing controversy (much like 'global warming'?). Far from 'settled science' in fact IMO discounted by those seriously looking into it:
http://www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_myths_about_alzheimers.asp
It all started with researchers injecting Aluminum salts into mice (brains IIRC?). And went on to note some of the human victims had abnormal levels when they died, others did not. Tough to tie down.
However, those cases are based on 'uptake', that is the idea that it will somehow get into the blood. In studies this is often directly injected. Since we're not scraping bits of and eating them like with pots and pans, that route is out. And since chemically it's 'locked up' behind that wall of oxide IMO it's plenty safe for us even if it had a high lead content (which is possible with Aluminum) for that reason.
Still, you should be comfortable and enjoy your gear. If that means avoiding vapes with Aluminum you don't trust there are options out there for you......like Solo and Air?
OF
fbrinsley
franklin
i have at my desk a charger for solo and charger for air. charger for solo work solo only. charger for air work for air and solo both. my solo won't take a charge but works with adapter and i stuck air charger in solo and she lit up. the air charger is bit longer so it's not flush on solo but did turn it on. hopes this helps.
also i see some comment on air skins. i picked up black for my black air. put skin on day one haven't taken it off. i love it. to change bat i just slide that skirt up a bit and super easy. y'all have scared me from trying to remove it. but it doos help with heat risdisbrution.
Nesta
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Well I get my aluminum knowledge from Martha Stewart. When she was with Click & Clack on Car Talk they were discussing cooking a meal on your engine while driving. Tom suggested wrapping it up in aluminum foil. Martha quickly jumped in to say your food should never come in contact with aluminum. And I agree, I haven't used aluminum pans for years. I do think it's toxic.
And now that @bounce5 has pointed it out in your photo, the plastic that surrounds the oven looks a bit sketchy. (Or is that ceramic?) And there are some electronic connections visible on the lower part- near where, it looks to me, the air flows into the heater.
I think it's good to be cynical, at least until we're sure it's safe. We want it to be safe -but when there's money to be made- it's buyer beware!
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olivianewtonjohn
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Sarcasm or serious? Sometimes its hard to tell over the internet, I know I hope its the former
Nesta
Well-Known Member
Quite the latter.
Lets_Vape
Well-Known Member
I was not implying you tried to say said that, but I saw several people saying they were waiting for you to test the battery, I just wanted to get the discussion going with other sources, as I don't believe you should be the only person testing this, even though I do very much appreciate your input ofcourse.
Thanks, for also confirming dampfakkus is a respected resource, hope this will encourage some other people to also have a look at it.
I will start measuring my battery voltage after sessions when it fully charges again, to graph that out and compare to other batteries.
I should be getting my CGR18650CH in today or tomorrow so I'll start comparing those soon.
If you or anyone has tips on how to measure this to make sure we standardise our data so we can compare it is very much appreciated!
I was thinking of running full sessions on green, measure the battery, then wait for it to cool down, and repeat until empty ,then do the same with sessions on red to compare it with the max discharge rate and graph that out
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Herr_Dampf
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Got my Air yesterday, 4 sessions with it so far, new favourite portable. I don't think I can add anything that hasn't been said allready but I love this piece of gear. Always enjoyed my Solo but the Air is my go to portable from now on. Everything is spot-on about this device.
Some pictures, because everyone likes pictures:
stickstones
Vapor concierge
Expanding on my reasoning from wanting to hear from Centizen first, sites like dampfakkus are great but make my eyes glaze over. Not my specialty (all that battery and electricity stuff is like Greek to me). I guess that's why I like to hear from Centizen, because he knows his shit. If you or anyone else are able to decipher batt specs in a way that helps us get to the truth that would be great! Thanks for the alternate method!
And I concur, Arizer is not going to show up here for questions.
MarkSmith
Member
Good thing you said 'in my opinion' OF. Stick to talking about vapes man because there is NO CONTROVERSY or lack of 'settled science' when it comes to man-made global warming and climate change. All that tells me is that you've neglected to do the bare minimum amount of research possible into the subject. Scientists agree on this matter, there is no 'long standing controversy', that is simply your opinion (and a dangerous one at that). Also I agree that the matter of toxicity in Aluminum is questionable, but don't act like YOU almost know for a fact that it isn't toxic. You don't know, plain and simple. You're not a scientist. More research needs done, period. It is no coincidence that after WWII we had a massive amount of aluminum stock piled and our government just happens to say 'oh did you know aluminum is GREAT for cooking??' I smell BS. Anyways, on a happier note, getting an Air for Christmas, can't wait. I'm the proud owner of a pax, firefly, and EQ. I used to have a solo too but gave it to a good friend (the solo has soooo much character). My first post by the way (after lurking for a while lol)