The Arizer Air

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OF

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Faolan said:
Every time I come here you crack me up haha. :p
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Glad to pass on smiles when I can. You know what they say, "if you can't inform, at least amuse"?

I think the most important part is you are using (and enjoying it), the rest is details.

Best wishes,

OF
 
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sickmanfraud

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Just saw a 90 mm all glass aroma tube being supplied to the new Solo NLE.

Has anyone here gotten their hands on a 90 mm stem for the Solo or Air??

Does it make the vapor noticeably cooler than the 70 mm?
 
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Jimiblues

Jimiblues

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I just made it part of my routine to unscrew and throw it on the charger after each session. It was a hassle at first but now I don't even think about it, automatic.
 
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Jimiblues said:
I just made it part of my routine to unscrew and throw it on the charger after each session. It was a hassle at first but now I don't even think about it, automatic.
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For sure that is easy and will work, and it is a personal call, but that' probably the worst way to go WRT battery lifespan short of intentionally baking it at high temperatures. Simply storing them at 100% (never using them) will kill them off in short time. Notice how new ones are charged to about 75% when you get them rather the 'fully charged, ready to go'? That's why. Ten years standby at 75% doesn't dent capacity much, but a few years at 100% can be fatal.

I'm sure we all know a cell phone or laptop (same type battery) that was left 'plugged in, so it's always ready to go' that now as miserable battery life? That's why. It wasn't the battery or unit, but the practice of 100% charge full time.

Good information on the topic on this page, and elsewhere on the site:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

An individual decision for sure, but IMO it should be an informed one. Part of that consideration should be, I think, the negative aspects of this advice? Since replacements are cheap and easy this is not as important as with some products with built in batteries, but he issue remains and I think should be considered. Keeping 100% charge has real costs.

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OF said:
Keeping 100% charge has real costs.
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Very true, but if you are like this guy and recharge after each use it is a moot point. He has nothing to worry about as far as battery lifetime is concerned given his method of charging. That's the same for laptop, phone, and other similar devices. It doesn't matter if you're always tethered and don't care about battery longevity.
 
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TwistedGray said:
Very true, but if you are like this guy and recharge after each use it is a moot point. He has nothing to worry about as far as battery lifetime is concerned given his method of charging. That's the same for laptop, phone, and other similar devices. It doesn't matter if you're always tethered and don't care about battery longevity.
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Actually I think both those positions are wrong. The point is 100% charge all the time is destructive, it will shorten battery life. Yes, if he never does more than one session that time will be a long time coming (it will go from four to three to two to one complete session first). But it will eventually fail to complete a single session even when plugged in (as we've discussed before, the charger is not powerful enough to heat alone). Those that 'unplug' for travel will of course run into trouble much sooner.

What this means is the 18650 will need replacement much sooner is all.

And while most cell phones are OK with no battery support (although some don't allow it anyway?) most laptops are not. The clue is, like with Air, it takes longer to charge than discharge? Logically that says the charger isn't able to supply enough power in real time.

It is a technique worth considering, but IMO all aspects should be included in that decision. Not everyone is "like this guy", in fact I expect very very few do this? From a wear standpoint alone I'd avoid handling the bits that much, instead charging in place, but that too is a personal call. In general such techniques (always top up') are considered poor Battery Management by those 'in the know'. Like Battery University. And the vape maker?

I think that should be included with the advice for more informed decisions.

OF
 
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Jimiblues

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Like you said OF the battery is a cheap replacement...it would be a different story if I owned a solo. Btw I never really store it. It's always being charged and used(daily driver and heavy use) and at night time ill have a session or two then turn off the air...wake up the next morning then charge. OF do you recommend that I use the air until the battery is completely drained? Or should I continue my routine?
 
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TwistedGray said:
Right, but we're talking a long way off, so again I feel it's a moot point for this user.
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But bad general advice? Especially without the negative factors being included.

If the statement was intended only as expressing what he does, I'm only pointing to a downside for him (early battery failure). If, as I suspect, it was put up as an example of how you should practice Battery Management for Forum advice I think it has serious problems/shortcomings

Informed decisions. That means knowing all the important points?

Jimiblues said:
Btw I never really store it. It's always being charged and used(daily driver and heavy use) and at night time ill have a session or two then turn off the air...wake up the next morning then charge. OF do you recommend that I use the air until the battery is completely drained? Or should I continue my routine?
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From a battery POV it's being stored when it's not being charged or discharged.

While you seem to have modified your "routine to unscrew and throw it on the charger after each session" which is, I think, a step in the right direction.

The BU page has some good discussion of the trade offs of DOD (Depth of Discharge) and so on. To a large extent, more sessions per charge is cost effective. It's deep discharge and full recharge we need to watch. I recommend (and practice) 3 or 4 sessions in a row before recharge. And, if possible, recharge then immediately take that first session (ending at about 75%) rather than recharging an putting it away. I can 'work' this more since I've built a 'gadget' to automatically stop charging early (at about 90%) which automatically doubles the battery life. I made this for Solo, but have modified it for several other vapes (including most 'USB capable' ones like Air) since it works so well. One version looks like this:
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Power comes in the connector in the top left corner. When the button is pressed power is delivered to the cable and current is monitored by the 3 parallel resistors on the top of the upper board. As the current tapers off naturally at end of charging it's sensed and when it drops below the trip point power is dropped. The processor (lower left on upper board) does the thinking/control and the beeper (now covered with the 'washing label') signals when it's done. The lower board reduces the 12 Volts Solo uses to 9 (for Ascent, FMs and such) or 5 Volts for Air and a bunch more. My 'run four sessions and recharge with the Gadget' routine runs the 18650 from 90% down to about 20 IIRC.

There's also a fun time benefit here, since the last 10% or any normal charge cycle is at an ever reducing rate (half normal average) it's the part that gets cut off (the slow bit). EVERY RECHARGE IS ABOUT A HALF HOUR FASTER. Faster and better for the lifespan, a win-win IMO. That 10% is a good trade-off where I came from.

Having a (mostly charged) 18650 in standby has prevented any 'slide locked back' accidents. I have the added problem of not being able to use the 'battery meter' in Air, such as it is, being Color Blind (as are many others).

Sounds to me like 'use it all day, recharge first thing in the morning and enjoy a bowl to start the day' might be worth exploring to you? You can feel all kinds of warm and fuzzy taking best care of your battery....... Small sacrifices count too.

Regards,

OF
 
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Jimiblues

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Thank you OF....my new routine will be 3-4 sessions then recharge, ill take it off the charger at 3.9-4.0, just shy of a full charge.
 
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Jimiblues said:
Thank you OF....my new routine will be 3-4 sessions then recharge, ill take it off the charger at 3.9-4.0, just shy of a full charge.
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You're welcome. Worth looking into I think. That's earlier than I cut off. It's fairly linear at about .1 Volts for every 10% (that is 100% is from 3.2 or so to 4.2) so you'd be stopping at the 70 or 80% point. No big deal, of course, you should still make 4 sessions (I do on the 3rd step easily). If you miss stopping the charge in time no big deal, you just lose the benefit for that cycle. If you can, you get a session or two (or more) for 'free' in the total........and the guys that sell replacement batteries go back to drinking well Scotch rather than Single Malt?

BTW, this has got me curious so I dug out the Air, enjoyed the fourth session on this charge and am doing test run. I started out at 3.42 Volts, probably not enough for another session. It's running at .820 Amps. Let's see where we go with it. Will advise......if I don't forget. Or get distracted or something.......

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beiberhole69

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I said goodbye to my first big boy vape today when i sold my last arizer air ;(

it was fun, and it easily got me to fuck combustion, but in the long term, it just wasn't the right vape for me. even in our final nice moments together, I knew. she is sweet and she'll make another man very very happy for life, but she just wasn't enough for a cloud whore like myself. i will always have fond memories though.
 
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Justpassedu

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Hey Air heads , just wanted to check in. I had my air since day 1 pre-order , i believe around the time @OF got one also and we all discussed it here. Well mine is still going strong , i got a solo recently and was wondering why it hit so much harder than the air. It turns out i been running the stock battery since the air was available , never changed it. Once i did yesterday it was back to being a cloud machine and performing at top shape. The Air , Evo & Mighty are just 3 of my vapes i would never part with and i have many. I really like this thing in its stock form , always providing a great taste and now that i swapped out for a Samsung 25R Cell its heating up so quick again. Hope everyone is doing well here and enjoying there Air's.
 
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Jimiblues

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I just had my first issue with the air...2 days ago the blue light started flickering and the unit would shut off when it would get to temp. I would have to turn back on the air to get through a session. This happened the rest of the day. So I jumped on the internet and looked up this issue. The conclusion I came up with is to call vapeworld after the weekend. Last night while using the air, it somehow fixed itself. It's been working fine since. Has anyone had this issue and what did you do?
 
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Jimiblues said:
Has anyone had this issue and what did you do?
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Yes, it's come up. The usual issue is the negative connection it seems. Dirt, slight differences in length of the 18650 (it's showed up with alternative but not stock?), etc seems to cause dicey connections so available power is compromised is my assumption.

When I had it, cleaning stuff up fixed it. I basically gave up changing 18650s (charge in place) and it never came back.

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Jimiblues

Jimiblues

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Yeah I cleaned all the contact points did the reset and nothing happened. Then all the sudden the blue light doesn't flicker and the air stays on now, it also seems to work better too.

This all started when I got a new strain, I usually vape at yellow but this new strain needed a lower setting. So when I clicked down to green everything was fine until it came to temp, that's when it would shut itself off. This happened the rest of the day at all settings. I'm glad that it corrected itself, hopefully it was just a minor glitch. Fingers crossed and knocking on wood
 
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SiDankies

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I think my charger is broken? I plug it in in numerous outlets and for the most part I don't get a sound a light nothing. I tapped the box of the charger a couple of times and plugged it in again i got the initial beep and the green light then it just stopped. The battery seems fine though, because i can still turn the vape on and it functions properly.


So i guess I need a new charger. Does anyone have any recommendations for the best external charger? And while I'm at it i guess I will order another battery as well. Whats the general consensus for best battery with the air?
 
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OF

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lookhigh said:
I forgot how to use a vaporizer because i use a vaporizer.
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Perhaps this is dwelling in the past......I suggest the important question might be 'will I remember how to work this vaporizer next time?' Facing the unknown future head on as it were.

Or not. Rainy Sunday time here, which is warm and welcome.

Best wishes to all.

OF
 
lookhigh

lookhigh

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I wouldn't call it dwelling on the past more like nostalgic.
Yes, I'm a glass half full kind off guy.
 
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