The Arizer Air

[HailSolo]

Hey,
my Air is acting up a bit. It turns itself off after about 30 seconds.
I already searched the internet but couldn't find a solution so I'm asking you.
Is there maybe a way I can ''hard-reset'' it?
Many thanks!

 

[OF]

Is there maybe a way I can ''hard-reset'' it?

Sorry you're having troubles, yes there is a procedure (involves using the charger and some button presses). We just discussed it a bit ago. Try "reset" in the search function (upper right) for this thread, I'm sure it's there several times.

Good luck.

OF

 

[The High Cyde]

I'm also debating on getting the GonG + fbomb combo from planet vape for my Air, I had the PNWT for my solo and let me tell you, I absolutely loved it. But I want to try the fBomb now.

Is the combo worth it for $130? Any discount code on that?

 

[mecker]

Hi guys

Been considering this vaporizer and it's one of the favorites atm.
I've already got a mflb which is why I still haven't decided on the air since I keep telling myself that EQ+mflb is better than air+mflb.
D'you figure I'm thinking right?

 

[TomC1315]

Hi guys

Been considering this vaporizer and it's one of the favorites atm.
I've already got a mflb which is why I still haven't decided on the air since I keep telling myself that EQ+mflb is better than air+mflb.
D'you figure I'm thinking right?

Bags with my EQ, along with my Air, provide me with a nice change of pace ... the Air/mflb combo might be a little bit redundant, IMO :-)

 

[CarolKing]

@The High Cyde try looking under DHgate for water tubes at a fraction of the cost.
Cheap Glass Bubbler | Free Shipping Glass Pipes ... - DHgate.com
www.dhgate.com ›
They have look alike Pinnacle Pro micro shower water tools, I've seen for $20 plus the cost of shipping. When you think how easy it is to break them.

Bubblers are better IMO because you don't have to worry about water dribbling down into the unit. I have a couple of the Pinnacle Pro Micro Shower WTs and they work fine with the AA as well as the Solo. Bought them on sale through Vaporblunt for $50 a piece a couple years ago.

The D020 bubbler works really well with the Solo as well as the Air. The WonG is a 3 inch Black Wood with the turquoise inlay made by our own FCer @Ed's TnT - he does amazing work.

 

[beiberhole69]

THis is the seller I tried this time:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...20800&de=off&items=25&interval=0&mPg=4&page=1


Feedback looks good... he couldn't provide me a pic of the bottom of the unit or battery when I asked though.

I guess I'll find out.

Well alright! It's legit baby! $115 Authentic Arizer Air! I doubt anyone is gonna price match THAT! Only downside is that I couldn't pick my color (got black)... other than that, I couldn't be happier.

One observation... the draw resistance on the new unit is a lot less (even with the same stem)... like a LOT less. Thinking I may need to clean my oven on the OG unit... but it seems like it's always been like sucking on a milk shake straw.. while this new one feels like straight.... air! Right out the box. Interesting. Will have to see if I can get the original hitting like this new puppy with a little cleaning.

 

[jdent3]

I'm also debating on getting the GonG + fbomb combo from planet vape for my Air, I had the PNWT for my solo and let me tell you, I absolutely loved it. But I want to try the fBomb now.

Is the combo worth it for $130? Any discount code on that?

I have the fbomb and pvhes and it's awesome. It's pricey but worth it to me. I find I can get bigger rips with it that would make me cough if I was just using the regular stem. I've never used any other water tool with the Air so I have no idea how the f bomb compares to other bubblers/hydrotubes.

 

[Spocks_Katra]

I have the fbomb and pvhes and it's awesome. It's pricey but worth it to me. I find I can get bigger rips with it that would make me cough if I was just using the regular stem. I've never used any other water tool with the Air so I have no idea how the f bomb compares to other bubblers/hydrotubes.

does it help with the actual effect? I may need to pick a couple up, I notice my avb is pretty evenly extracted just with the stock stems but thats just me

Just finished a pack in the stock glass straight stem, feeling nice and medicated watching star trek then lights out

 

[beiberhole69]

One observation... the draw resistance on the new unit is a lot less (even with the same stem)... like a LOT less. Thinking I may need to clean my oven on the OG unit... but it seems like it's always been like sucking on a milk shake straw.. while this new one feels like straight.... air! Right out the box. Interesting. Will have to see if I can get the original hitting like this new puppy with a little cleaning.

I wish I had my glass before I damaged my AA so I could compare. With my new unit I can hear the air being sucked through it. Sounds like the seal isn't airtight on the 14mm joint, but it is. The draws are so airy it's what I imagine the high efficiency stems are like. I am enjoying it but it's not what I was used to with my first unit. Is there any kind of record of inconsistency like this from unit to unit? Right now I'm sort of just chalking it up to having washed and dried my first unit... but I really don't remember it being this smooth and airy to hit.

 

[TomC1315]

I wish I had my glass before I damaged my AA so I could compare. With my new unit I can hear the air being sucked through it. Sounds like the seal isn't airtight on the 14mm joint, but it is. The draws are so airy it's what I imagine the high efficiency stems are like. I am enjoying it but it's not what I was used to with my first unit. Is there any kind of record of inconsistency like this from unit to unit? Right now I'm sort of just chalking it up to having washed and dried my first unit... but I really don't remember it being this smooth and airy to hit.

Maybe you're packing it looser?

I notice, in quiet conditions, that I too can hear the air moving thru the unit ... unless I've packed it too tightly ... with a tight pack, I don't hear the air, and it's hard to draw from.

In fact, the air sound varies, depending on how much of the grill is covered by the sleeve.

When I hear the air flowing thru, I know that it's packed right.

 

[beiberhole69]

Definitely not from a looser pack. I can feel the difference when the bowl is empty.

I can hear the air going through the 1st one... but I never really noticed as much. Less high pitched with more resistance.

It feels like a pretty significant difference though.

 

[UnshavenFish]

Definitely not from a looser pack. I can feel the difference when the bowl is empty.

I can hear the air going through the 1st one... but I never really noticed as much. Less high pitched with more resistance.

It feels like a pretty significant difference though.

Not to be that guy but... Are you 100% sure it's genuine? Did you compare against @OF posted pics.

The fakes do have larger holes in the oven which I think OF said did increase airflow.

I realise this post is probably pointless as I'm sure you checked properly after your first eBay AA, anyways just thinking out loud

 

[beiberhole69]

THAT guy pipes up

Yea, def had to be addressed. If it's a fake it's worth every penny. Battery is OEM, every detail is identical. Battery cap has SN and all same markings. Had the little plastic protection on the battery cap and the black around the button. Less than .01% chance it's fake, IMO.

Maybe if the one I got from the authorized dealer vaporseller.com is fake... this one would def be too, but I'm 99+% certain they are the real deal.


ETA: actually, another difference I notice is that the battery fits ever so slightly more snug in the newer unit. If I tilt it upsidedown with out the cap it comes out kind of like a poop in the new one (about 1/5th right away and then the rest slides out a little slower) and first one pretty much falls right out at gravity speed. Very slight but noticeable.

 

[Pipes]

Did you check with this post by @OF? Kinda would clean this up once and for all//?

Gentle Friends,

I bought an "Air" from DHGate, well actually "in stock dry herb vaporizer Arizer solo vaporizer Extreme Q Arizer Air Portable Vaporizer vs Mighty vaporizer DHL Free".

If it wasn't counterfeit we'd call it an Air. This is definitely counterfeit.

Notice the screw at the bottom is 'wrong' (in fact the chassis rattles, yes, rattles in the tube. When the cap is on it doesn't rattle, however since the rubber seal at the top of the oven presses hard against the top (no chance for an extra o-ring here). Notice the panel not only doesn't have any protective film like the real ones, but comes with scratches (so you don't have to do it yourself). Are the up and down arrows supposed to be black on this model? The battery, which got here dead flat, is Samsung, not the real one. It's charging now at 830mA (about normal). The bottom cap threads are sloppy and rough, nothing like the real ones and check out the inside of the battery cap, quite crude compared to the original I posted a bit back:

The outside corner of the cap isn't rounded like the black one, it's got a 45 degree bevel instead. No S/N on the cap bottom......in fact no label to put it on......

You can also spot differences in the mouth of the battery compartments:

The genuine one (black, on top) has a metal insert for the screw (rather than blind threads in the plastic......), it also has a battery pad to protect the PCB (and control rattles) in the tube and notice how the counterfeit ground pin has a step in it? All useful clues I think.

The accessories are close, and interchange, but are clearly done on different tooling:

The charger should work, but while I don't have an official one handy (I have a home made charger based on 'the Gadget') I'm pretty sure the factory one is marked 'Arizer'? Not so here:

It's not all bad news, though. The beeper is louder, easier to hear (although that'll probably get 'too loud' complaints) and they've definitely opened the oven holes up even more:

Notice the tool marks on the top of the rubber seal on the counterfeit? Sloppy, didn't bother to polish their tooling, lots of examples of this spread around the unit. It might pass muster if you'd never seen on, but it's obvious side by side.

More when I've poked more.

OF

Edit: One other note, it got here fast, DHL from China in a week give or take? Nothing like PIU, but not as slow as might be.

OF

Next edit: The battery is evidently counterfeit as well (go figure....) it say ICR18650-26F as you can see above, a legit part number for a top of the line 2600mAh unit:
http://neworld.co.il/upload/lithium_battery/Samsung_ICR18650-26F.pdf

The charger, however, says it's closer to 1000mAh than 2600. My gadget terminated at 980mAh and it should have another 10% or so. I'm about to put it on the stand alone battery tester and confirm it's capacity in standardized charge and discharge conditions where genuine ICR18650s (at least I think they're genuine) tested at 2567mAh (close enough to 2600 for jazz).

OF

The easiest give away would be single or double O rings at the top.

 

[Spocks_Katra]

I wish I had my glass before I damaged my AA so I could compare. With my new unit I can hear the air being sucked through it. Sounds like the seal isn't airtight on the 14mm joint, but it is. The draws are so airy it's what I imagine the high efficiency stems are like. I am enjoying it but it's not what I was used to with my first unit. Is there any kind of record of inconsistency like this from unit to unit? Right now I'm sort of just chalking it up to having washed and dried my first unit... but I really don't remember it being this smooth and airy to hit.

it usually should be a pretty restricted draw on the stock stems, did you buy it from an authorized retailer?

 

[beiberhole69]

it usually should be a pretty restricted draw on the stock stems, did you buy it from an authorized retailer?

My last post addresses that. Not authorized retailer but it's authentic (unless the authorized dealer I got my first one from is selling fakes... which I very strongly doubt)

 

[OF]

Not authorized retailer but it's authentic (unless the authorized dealer I got my first one from is selling fakes... which I very strongly doubt)

I'm not sure I understand that. The fake I bought could easily pass for genuine in many/most respects until I put it side by side with a known good unit. Then things like different machine marks and larger vent holes in the cup show up. I think Pipes (once again.....) has a good tip, do you find the 3 ridges (steps) putting the stems in and out? How about plastic tipped stems, is the cap right? Plastic threads? So far all the counterfeit ones seem to have metal threads or be glued on?

Working from memory I can see how the counterfeit I had could pass muster in many areas. I questioned it for a while until 'too many things didn't add up'.

It could well be a counterfeit I think, just a slightly different counterfeit than I have perhaps? I think the cap is going to be hard to copy well, not just having a S/N but showing they spent well for tooling and quality of the PCB:

Notice the excellent quality of the board, well centered solder mask (the green coating), silkscreen solid, uniform and perfectly centered? And the perfect 'riveting' on the plastic studs that hold the board in, the 'perfect' solder connection on the well formed spring. The excellent quality of the threads and snug fit on the unit (unlike some Solos). Those details were lacking/substandard on the one I have.

But, IMO the less restricted airflow is kind of a give away. Arizer seems to have taken great care in the area, first decreasing the restriction in Solo then copying the new restriction in all the Airs we collectively seem to have bought. AFAIK I'm the only guy to report a significant increase is flow in an Air? And that was on a known counterfeit.......the genuine ones seem pretty uniform. I have a couple Airs and for sure couldn't tell them apart by restriction.

If you're happy with it, that's well and good. But I too am a bit suspicious. "Exactly like the one I remember" is a much more reassuring observation?

OF

 

[beiberhole69]

It is identical to the one I got from an authorized dealer aside from the color of the unit and the color of the battery (lilac instead of red)... including box (with serial and batch #s) and accessories.

I work with computer hardware and electronics so I know what I'm looking at.

 

[Bravesst]

Amen to that. Look at boiler explosions. There energy builds up over time, increasing the pressure inside, until a weak spot is found and the energy is released in an instant. Your home hot water heater is, of course, never intended to boil....but it could.....so there's a 'T and P valve' (Temperature and Pressure safety), the thing on top that vents the pressure away as it builds, saving your house and the neighbors. Here's a fun video of what happens otherwise:

Remember, this is pent up pressure, not fire or explosion in the normal sense.

The
Let's not forget the 'experiments' those clowns at Mythbusters did. Here's an outake using a conventional water heater with the safety removed. In this case, as usually happens, the floor of the tank is the weak point, as pressure builds it simply blows out (with enough force to invert the dome.....think about that) and makes the upper part into a rocket (bad news if it's on a lower floor). Bottom line is don't confine expanding gases. Venting off is safer by far.

I know these clowns have fans, I used to watch them early on, but they are too dangerous for my blood. It's fun and games to them but sometimes it catches up to them. They're local here, a couple years back they we screwing around with a cannon on a local military base's firing range. They got bored and left 'the children' to finish the testing and wondered off. The 'second string', more clueless than they are, lost one and sent an iron ball off the base, through a residential area near by. When I say "through" I mean through.....like in one side of your house and out the other:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...Dublin-home-minivan-2353937.php#photo-1902179

So it went half a mile, through the front door, up the stairs, through the bedroom where the entire family was sleeping and out the back wall and on it's merry way.

The boys, of course, didn't miss the 'photo opportunity':

IMO these guys are to be avoided. And certainly not encouraged. Bad examples for those in the cheap seats.

OF

Not a BLEVE but,
I been there. In 1984 there was a propane explosion in a hardware store in Boro Park Brooklyn. The store clerk went down the basement with a 20 lb propane cylinder. He dropped it down the stairs and damaged the cylinder to where it leaked. To see what happened, he turned the light on, providing an ignition source. 2 building were leveled and 2 dead. I dug through that pile along with 100 other fireman, searching for life. The next year NYC drafted the toughest fire prevention code for propane, most of the rest of the country followed.

 

[vapen00b]

I wish I had my glass before I damaged my AA so I could compare. With my new unit I can hear the air being sucked through it. Sounds like the seal isn't airtight on the 14mm joint, but it is. The draws are so airy it's what I imagine the high efficiency stems are like. I am enjoying it but it's not what I was used to with my first unit. Is there any kind of record of inconsistency like this from unit to unit? Right now I'm sort of just chalking it up to having washed and dried my first unit... but I really don't remember it being this smooth and airy to hit.

It think this is rather due to some slight diametric differences of the stems. We had this several times.. Some sit nice and snug, some too tight - only insertable with pre-heating, some don't fit at all (applies to some of the Solo stems no fitting in the Air)... I might be wrong though?

 

[bluenavey00]

It think this is rather due to some slight diametric differences of the stems. We had this several times.. Some sit nice and snug, some too tight - only insertable with pre-heating, some don't fit at all (applies to some of the Solo stems no fitting in the Air)... I might be wrong though?

I have the all glass Solo straight stem, the only Solo stem I have tried in the Air but it fits fine.

 

[lookhigh]

It think this is rather due to some slight diametric differences of the stems. We had this several times.. Some sit nice and snug, some too tight - only insertable with pre-heating, some don't fit at all (applies to some of the Solo stems no fitting in the Air)... I might be wrong though?

You are not wrong, that's is the same as my experience.

 

[The High Cyde]

@The High Cyde try looking under DHgate for water tubes at a fraction of the cost.
Cheap Glass Bubbler | Free Shipping Glass Pipes ... - DHgate.com
www.dhgate.com ›
They have look alike Pinnacle Pro micro shower water tools, I've seen for $20 plus the cost of shipping. When you think how easy it is to break them.

Bubblers are better IMO because you don't have to worry about water dribbling down into the unit. I have a couple of the Pinnacle Pro Micro Shower WTs and they work fine with the AA as well as the Solo. Bought them on sale through Vaporblunt for $50 a piece a couple years ago.

The D020 bubbler works really well with the Solo as well as the Air. The WonG is a 3 inch Black Wood with the turquoise inlay made by our own FCer @Ed's TnT - he does amazing work.

I've bought one of those before, and I loved it! But my friend broke it =/

My other friend broke my PNWT =/ =/
and I lost my cool gong adapter I bought from Planet Vape =/ =/ =/

I'm trying to keep the amount of glass in my house down, and I want a small enough bubbler to take with me when I go out.

On the PNWT, I had to send it back in cause they gave me a chipped piece, so I don't want to go through that again. I'm seriously considering getting the adapter + fbomb combo for 130, but I really wish it was a bit cheaper, my finger is itching to pull the trigger though haha

Also, the eBay retailer is claiming to be an authorized retailer. Here is their message to me:
"Hello My pleasure to assist you today. I'm sorry you had an issue with this vaporizer. We're buying these vaporizers directly from an authorized dealer in New Jersey and we can provide documents if needed. I need a big favor from you, is there any way you can send us all the information you gathered from your source regarding this counterfeit unit? We've never had an issue like this before but we were alerted by a colleague that some warehouse employees mix counterfeit merchandise along with the authentic ones and sell those by their own. We don't sell fake, used, refurbished or broken vaporizers unless we specify in the subject that it is a clone... most likely mechanical mods & RDAs only. You can send back the vaporizer to: Vapo Slim #######. Please get back to me with that information at your earliest convenience, it's very important for us to take action against counterfeit merchandise. Let me know if you have any questions. Steph"

Ha, maybe it's a legit piece?

 

[F3minusD]

Sounds suspicious