The Arizer Air

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OF

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Stevenski said:
I am pretty sure @OF has a 3" Bog WonG for the Air & his is black if I remember correctly.
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Guilty. Bog wood, it turns out, isn't ideal for the job (it's pretty soft and has lots of pores) but it's 5300 years old.....older than Stonehenge, the great wall or the Gaza Pyramids. That's mighty cool IMO.

As a practical matter, everyday use is either the straight Solo stem, the plastic topped Air stem or a GonG. The Bog wood is for special occasions (involving top shelf bud, of course...).

OF
 
The High Cyde

The High Cyde

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Filing a dispute is what I had in mind; but how will I prove to eBay that the unit is a counterfeit? Surely they need more than my word?
 
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bluenavey00

bluenavey00

Arizer Air Aficionado
The High Cyde said:
Also, from what I've gathered, is that most people prefer the stock stem and even come back to them after using other stems.

Thoughts on the Bog WonG? On staying put with the stock stems?
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I personally use the stock Solo stem when stealth isn't an issue, nice and long to keep the vapor cool and smooth and very cheap to buy online.
 
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sickmanfraud

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Guys (and gals),

I bought an extreme Q the same time I got my Solo, Jan 2013. I never really got into the Q because I loved the Solo (and Air) so much.

Wife was away and I moved the Extreme Q from the computer to the nightstand. With a shorter bowl (DDave mod) it works great!!

I am having a hard time looking at my portable vapes when the Q is a choice. I can vaporize .1 - .15 in one or two rips instead of spending 10 minutes sucking my lungs out to try to get vapor from my Solo or Air.

FYI I have never combusted anything in my life and I vape to get medicated, not for the taste.

Am I missing something?
 
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Bravesst

Bravesst

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ExTrucker said:
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Yea, when I said I read the entire thread I wasn't kidding. ;) I definitely caught that. One of my good friends here is a broke down ole firefighter. I call him Axeman to make him smile.
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In a lot of ways, I'm a "broke down ole fireman", but on the mend, in lots of ways thanks to cannabis (and some good professional help). Vaping for firefighters, could there be a better match?
 
OF

OF

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Rave88 said:
:DSo guys, any one minds posting the information about the battery specs pretty please?
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There's an entire thread on the topic:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/oem-arizer-air-replacement-batteries.17329/

They are special, really, basically 'the best for the job', from a single maker. Our own @CentiZen buys them in bulk from the maker and offers good guy prices. I think he's currently out of stock, but I'd check.

Otherwise, the same battery, as the factory battery is the best call from PIU, PV or whomever you do business with. You only save a few bucks at best, and only need one usually, IMO not a good time to experiment. There are 18650s that won't work, some don't even fit.

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UnshavenFish

UnshavenFish

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Rave88 said:
I'm looking for an outside charger so I could charge 1-2 at home whenever I take my vape to go. Thats why I was hoping you guys could tell me the correct specs for the battery. So is it a typical 18650s Lit battery? anything else I should keep note of?
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You need a charger that charges to 4.20 volts, something like a nitecore or xtar (both come in 2-4 bays)...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nitecore-D2...F8&qid=1454269509&sr=8-1&keywords=Nitecore+d2

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=Xtar

Links are just as a reference not a recommendation.
 
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Rave88

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beiberhole69

beiberhole69

Sexual Maven
The High Cyde said:
Filing a dispute is what I had in mind; but how will I prove to eBay that the unit is a counterfeit? Surely they need more than my word?
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Don't worry too much about it. I just got a fake one and the seller refunded me in full... just contact them first and tell them the situation and ask how they'd like to proceed.

So this is the seller:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/lisagentry8/m.html?item=262261750578&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

But I suspect they;ll start a new account now that the neg feedback is rolling in.


I tried another seller on eBay (yea I know, glutton for punishment) so we'll see how that goes.


I prob should just go back to the same seller where I got mine for 150ish or see if PIU will price match it... but the possibility of saving $40 is worth it to me. If I didn't have a main unit and a back up though I don't know if I'd be willing to gamble.



THis is the seller I tried this time:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...20800&de=off&items=25&interval=0&mPg=4&page=1


Feedback looks good... he couldn't provide me a pic of the bottom of the unit or battery when I asked though.

I guess I'll find out.
 
TomC1315

TomC1315

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Wondering ... on the topic of a faulty one of these batteries failing and exploding, I wouldn't want it in my pocket at the time of failure ... but ...

Q: what kind of explosion are we talking about? Would the match containers I store and transport the batteries in contain the situation?

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OF

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TomC1315 said:
Q: what kind of explosion are we talking about? Would the match containers I store and transport the batteries in contain the situation?
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Actually we don't have an explosion in such cases, unless we create one. The failed battery heats rapidly, boils it's contents making lots of the wrong kind of vapor which raises the pressure enough to open the SAFETY VENT preventing an explosion. Unless we again trap the gas, like in an 'airtight' case........

Explosions happen in two cases. The first is where the 'burn rate' (measured in feet per second) is faster than the speed of sound. This (being faster than SOS) means the expanding gas 'can't get out of the way fasts enough' so more pressure builds behind it. Things like TNT burn 10 or more thousand feet per second against about 1100 fps for the SOS. These are 'high explosives' a pile of them on the ground is dangerous, extremely so usually.

Things line gunpowder and our little 18650 'steam generator' only explode if confined in a jacket so the pressure can build up. Empty the contents of a pipe bomb into an open top tin can and toss in a match and you have a festive little fire for several seconds that does no damage at all since the gas is liberated over time and not compressed. In the pipe bomb case, or confined within a firearm, the increase in pressure makes it burn faster in fact, small fractions of a second. This (lack of confinement) is the reason firearms ammunition goes pop when thrown into a campfire, not boom (don't do this at home.......or in the woods......or at all).

So putting them in a gas tight case that can shatter is a bad thing. Turns a non accident (venting) into a potential explosion involving shards of hard plastic. Truly nasty wounds, since they don't show up with X-rays in the ER nor with the metal detectors they look for more conventional shrapnel with.

I'd suggest shifting to cases designed for the task, ones designed to safely vent in the case of mishap, for instance:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HL8CW2?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage

I store extra herb, ground and ready to go, on the other side of the case usually. I use a sawed off 'doob tube' which you can get from PIU or PV for a dollar or so. Handy little (gas tight) containers. If you want water tight but still safe that's available too:
http://www.amazon.com/Case-Star-Pla...=8-14&keywords=Battery+Storage+Case+for+18650

If you're going to use hard plastic sealed tubes like the match safes I'd drill a vent hole in it. Or maybe two.

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Bravesst

Bravesst

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OF said:
Actually we don't have an explosion in such cases, unless we create one. The failed battery heats rapidly, boils it's contents making lots of the wrong kind of vapor which raises the pressure enough to open the SAFETY VENT preventing an explosion. Unless we again trap the gas, like in an 'airtight' case........

Explosions happen in two cases. The first is where the 'burn rate' (measured in feet per second) is faster than the speed of sound. This (being faster than SOS) means the expanding gas 'can't get out of the way fasts enough' so more pressure builds behind it. Things like TNT burn 10 or more thousand feet per second against about 1100 fps for the SOS. These are 'high explosives' a pile of them on the ground is dangerous, extremely so usually.

Things line gunpowder and our little 18650 'steam generator' only explode if confined in a jacket so the pressure can build up. Empty the contents of a pipe bomb into an open top tin can and toss in a match and you have a festive little fire for several seconds that does no damage at all since the gas is liberated over time and not compressed. In the pipe bomb case, or confined within a firearm, the increase in pressure makes it burn faster in fact, small fractions of a second. This (lack of confinement) is the reason firearms ammunition goes pop when thrown into a campfire, not boom (don't do this at home.......or in the woods......or at all).

So putting them in a gas tight case that can shatter is a bad thing. Turns a non accident (venting) into a potential explosion involving shards of hard plastic. Truly nasty wounds, since they don't show up with X-rays in the ER nor with the metal detectors they look for more conventional shrapnel with.

I'd suggest shifting to cases designed for the task, ones designed to safely vent in the case of mishap, for instance:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HL8CW2?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage

I store extra herb, ground and ready to go, on the other side of the case usually. I use a sawed off 'doob tube' which you can get from PIU or PV for a dollar or so. Handy little (gas tight) containers. If you want water tight but still safe that's available too:
http://www.amazon.com/Case-Star-Pla...=8-14&keywords=Battery+Storage+Case+for+18650

If you're going to use hard plastic sealed tubes like the match safes I'd drill a vent hole in it. Or maybe two.

OF
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BLEVE (pronounced blevee)
Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion
Confined, in an air tight cylinder, even water can "explode" if there's no relief valve or the relief valve is overwhelmed. Take a gas like propane, and you have lots of problems. I'm not sure where lithium batteries fit in, but expanding vapor can do lots of harm, even without fire.
 
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OF

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Bravesst said:
I'm not sure where lithium batteries fit in, but expanding vapor can do lots of harm, even without fire.
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Amen to that. Look at boiler explosions. There energy builds up over time, increasing the pressure inside, until a weak spot is found and the energy is released in an instant. Your home hot water heater is, of course, never intended to boil....but it could.....so there's a 'T and P valve' (Temperature and Pressure safety), the thing on top that vents the pressure away as it builds, saving your house and the neighbors. Here's a fun video of what happens otherwise:

Remember, this is pent up pressure, not fire or explosion in the normal sense.

Let's not forget the 'experiments' those clowns at Mythbusters did. Here's an outake using a conventional water heater with the safety removed. In this case, as usually happens, the floor of the tank is the weak point, as pressure builds it simply blows out (with enough force to invert the dome.....think about that) and makes the upper part into a rocket (bad news if it's on a lower floor). Bottom line is don't confine expanding gases. Venting off is safer by far.


I know these clowns have fans, I used to watch them early on, but they are too dangerous for my blood. It's fun and games to them but sometimes it catches up to them. They're local here, a couple years back they we screwing around with a cannon on a local military base's firing range. They got bored and left 'the children' to finish the testing and wondered off. The 'second string', more clueless than they are, lost one and sent an iron ball off the base, through a residential area near by. When I say "through" I mean through.....like in one side of your house and out the other:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...Dublin-home-minivan-2353937.php#photo-1902179

So it went half a mile, through the front door, up the stairs, through the bedroom where the entire family was sleeping and out the back wall and on it's merry way.

The boys, of course, didn't miss the 'photo opportunity':

IMO these guys are to be avoided. And certainly not encouraged. Bad examples for those in the cheap seats.

OF
 
I'm Ron Burgundy?

I'm Ron Burgundy?

OG
Well it looks like I will be a Arizer Air owner soon. :) Just waiting on my tax return.
I've been reading the thread and soaking in the knowledge. I will be purchasing at least 1 extra battery, car charger, PVHEGonG Vortex High Efficiency GonG and quite possibly a Micro Bubbler Tube.

I'm getting excited to finally have a portable vape and I can say goodbye to glass pipes forever. My LSV will still be my main home vape but I can definitely see me using the Air around the house, in bed and in the backyard. :leaf:
 
lookhigh

lookhigh

FC member
I too used to watch mythbusters until i starred to notice lots of errors in their 'experiments'.
Would drive me nuts as to why they could get away with some of these mistakes, anyway they are on their last legs. Maybe they should be gitted an Air to calm them down.
 
The High Cyde

The High Cyde

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Are we supposed to get a tracking number from JyARz? I have no idea where mine is at and I ordered it a couple days ago.

Also, the Air should come in tomorrow! Plus, the counterfeits seller said I could return the unit and I'll be refunded, I haven't brought up that it's a counterfeit to them yet...
 
CarolKing

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
It's really buyer beware buying vaporizers off of eBay.. It's a good thing they have a good return policy. I have heard of a lot of fake vaporizers that folks have ended up with. Save yourself the hassle and go with Puffitup.
 
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sickmanfraud

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UnshavenFish said:
You need a charger that charges to 4.20 volts, something like a nitecore or xtar (both come in 2-4 bays)...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nitecore-D2...F8&qid=1454269509&sr=8-1&keywords=Nitecore+d2

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=Xtar

Links are just as a reference not a recommendation.
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I got this charger and it works great. It came with a car adapter which meant therer was no need to get a car charger from Arizer.

http://www.amazon.com/Efest-Battery...ie=UTF8&qid=1454409525&sr=8-2&keywords=luc+v4

Someone wanting to purchase an Air would be well advised to go to Planetvape.ca. There is a code in their signature (in sponsoring Retailers) that allows you to purchase an Air with free shipping and an extra battery for $199 Canadian.

With the current exchange rate it comes out to about $143 USA (with the free battery)
 
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