The Arizer Air

[eunosRoadster]

in my latest bout of paranoia thinking my air is broken, i come with what may be a stupid question. how do you know if the temperatures on your Air are actually working? for example, i vaped Pink Kush on blue, followed by the same amount on yellow, both for full cycles. There was almost no discernible colour between the two piles afterwards, save for maybe some purple on the lower temp. is this difference supposed to be more drastic?

also, looking to hear a heavy user chime in on reliability. I think mine has seen at least 5 cycles daily since it was unboxed about two months ago and im noticing some discolouring in the chamber.

 

[GetLeft]

On yellow you'd probably expect a darker abv, but I'm sure that's not always true. There are variables that might make it less easy to discern between material exposed to different vaping temps. How it smells might offer an additional clue. What works as a pretty good clue for me is how I feel after a session on blue compared to how I feel after a session on yellow. That's three steps up. It gets a little high for me up there. If I didn't feel a difference I'd suspect my unit wasn't behaving properly. Perhaps a battery charge.

I've read here that the bowl has been known to darken with usage. That's normal I think even with modest cleaning. Mine is yellowed, but I don't use it heavily.

 

[AJS]

I sent a message to some DHGate sellers selling Mighty's and Airs and they told me straight up that they were clones. I don't think they're truly fooling anyone, just providing a cheap, china alternative.

@eunosRoadster
I can tell from the vapor production, heat change, harshness, etc. that I just "upped" the temperature.
Blue is completely different than green. that 36 degrees difference is pretty damn huge.

 

[OF]

I sent a message to some DHGate sellers selling Mighty's and Airs and they told me straight up that they were clones. I don't think they're truly fooling anyone, just providing a cheap, china alternative.

I think you may have missed the point. Individual owners are unlikely to order one from them, but rather find them offered for sale by a LHS or normal dealer who would not present it as a counterfeit. Make no mistake that's what it is, it says "Arizer Air" on the package, not 'cheap Chinese alternative to.....'. Simply using the name would be a crime if copyright laws were honored.

It is intended to deceive the end user into thinking he bought the genuine article....making money for them and depriving Arizer of their just profits.

OF

Edit: So I dug out the package of this counterfeit Air. Remember, the unit doesn't have a serial number or label on the bottom (but you'd have to know to look for it), but the box and 'manual' clearly say "www.arizer.com", and give the Canadian phone number and Canadian address to go to for warranty service and so on. IMO a clear fraud, not a legit alternative. The sad part is since they could 'reverse engineer' a working copy they could also have made their own vape........

OF

 

[bluenavey00]

I think mine has seen at least 5 cycles daily since it was unboxed about two months ago and im noticing some discolouring in the chamber.

I found the best way to clean the chamber is magic eraser or melamine foam. Whilst the Air is cold rip off a small amount and make it damp, then squeeze off the excess water. I use tweezers to run it around the inside of the bowl, best to do it upside down to ensure no water can go into the vape. I've used mine heavily every weekend for 10 months now and I can still get the oven to return to 95% of its former glory. I used to use some ISO on a cotton wool bud but honestly the other method works better.

 

[Bravesst]

in my latest bout of paranoia thinking my air is broken, i come with what may be a stupid question. how do you know if the temperatures on your Air are actually working? for example, i vaped Pink Kush on blue, followed by the same amount on yellow, both for full cycles. There was almost no discernible colour between the two piles afterwards, save for maybe some purple on the lower temp. is this difference supposed to be more drastic?

also, looking to hear a heavy user chime in on reliability. I think mine has seen at least 5 cycles daily since it was unboxed about two months ago and im noticing some discolouring in the chamber.

I use an AA every day, all day. I clean the oven with a moistened (my own saliva) q-tip. It's functioning (and looking) perfectly after 6 months. Arizerability!
and yes, super reliable. If you're a new user, check out my guide (link in signature).

 

[OF]

I use an AA every day, all day. I clean the oven with a moistened (my own saliva) q-tip. It's functioning (and looking) perfectly after 6 months. Arizerability!
and yes, super reliable.

Thanks for the tip, sounds worth a try. Please lick a two month's supply of q-tips and put them in a baggie. PM me, I'll tell you where to send them..........

OF

 

[CarolKing]

Back to DHgate selling vaporizer knock offs. I don't believe that most people know that they are getting a knock off. It's deseptive selling IMO. There are plenty out there that wouldn't be able to distinguish between a real vape and a fake. Folks that vaporize for medical reasons are risking their fragile health if they receive one of these. Not everybody is, "in the know" like most of you.

Who knows they may even be a fire safety issue.

 

[Bravesst]

Thanks for the tip, sounds worth a try. Please lick a two month's supply of q-tips and put them in a baggie. PM me, I'll tell you where to send them..........

OF

What can I say, I have special saliva, must be all those years of cannabis...

 

[nondarb]

Back to DHgate selling vaporizer knock offs. I don't believe that most people know that they are getting a knock off. It's deseptive selling IMO.

If we were talking eBay maybe I'd see that being a viable truth but if you're shopping on DHGate chances are you're savvy enough to realize 99.999999% of everything there is counterfeit/cloned.

That and if you ask they generally tell you they are "1:1 clones", if presented as authentic they open themselves up to dispute. I'm not condoning knock off's/counterfeits by any means just saying at some point some of this falls on the consumers due diligence.

 

[CarolKing]

@nondarb The point is these folks could buy them and sell them on eBay or elsewhere. They won't be written in the ad that these are clones.

 

[OF]

@nondarb The point is these folks could buy them and sell them on eBay or elsewhere. They won't be written in the ad that these are clones.

Exactly so. These guys seem interested in selling volumes to one guy in the hopes that most will be resold again. Nobody is going to by dozens/hundreds from them for personal use. For some reason an idea that doesn't seem to be well understood? I fear many/most there will be looking to avoid the idea that they are counterfeit and get more money from each sale (be they on line or in the case at a LHS). Innocent folks will buy them as end users thinking them legitimate.

OF

 

[GetLeft]

I'm not condoning knock off's/counterfeits by any means just saying at some point some of this falls on the consumers due diligence.

Nice point. If someone is purchasing a vaporizer because they think it's a significant modification to their behavior as a consumer of cannabis, it's likely that they'll look closely enough at things to keep them on the right track. These are probably the kind of consumers Arizer is building their business around.

Those who are purchasing on a whim without looking closely enough at what they are buying and end up with a clone might not have ever purchased an Air anyway.

 

[OF]

Those who are purchasing on a whim without looking closely enough at what they are buying and end up with a clone might not have ever purchased an Air anyway.

Agreed. But IMO Arizer deserves 'a cut' from impulse buys as well, they earned it.

And while the 'victim buyer' might not have bought one that day, I suspect after the disappointing performance of the counterfeit one they never will (where otherwise they might)?

OF

 

[Stevenski]

I am much more value proposition loyal than brand loyal yet the only decision I needed to make when upgrading from my FM Pro was Air or Solo (was not prepared to pay double for S&B product)? That speaks volumes about the quality of Arizer product & if I had unwittingly received a clone/KO sold as OEM I may have had a bad experience & never purchased Arizer again through no fault of their own.

 

[CarolKing]

@Stevenski exactly the point. It's so unfair to the company and its good to get the word out to those that need to be informed. Many folks are new to vaporizing and need to be aware if they are getting a counterfeit unit. Most of us are loyal to the Arizer product line and wouldn't knowingly buy one of these inferior portables.

 

[OF]

I am much more value proposition loyal than brand loyal yet the only decision I needed to make when upgrading from my FM Pro was Air or Solo (was not prepared to pay double for S&B product)? That speaks volumes about the quality of Arizer product & if I had unwittingly received a clone/KO sold as OEM I may have had a bad experience & never purchased Arizer again through no fault of their own.

Well put. I think this reflects reality for many/most? We tend to quickly abandon disappointments, notice how popular divorce is?

OF

 

[GetLeft]

Hey, I'm an Arizer fan. Don't get me wrong. The Air makes it such that I'm going to have a pretty hard time being happy with another portable. Arizer set the bar high and deserve to earn their fair share from that. And cheating is not admirable to most. But it is definitely an inherent part of a market driven economy.

Emotions aside, the matter is just interesting to think about. Like @nondarb suggests, let's not assume people who buy at DHGate are stupid. Just about anyone who's buying there knows they're buying knock off.

And I don't buy the unwitting consumer bit either. A consumer better get witting or s/he ain't gonna last long. Once bitten as they say. My guess is that the folks at Arizer aren't too concerned about unwitting consumers. They market to the witting ones.

I like to ride bikes. I have for as long as I can remember. And let me tell you, I've had some pretty crappy bikes in my time. They didn't keep me off the bike. They made me know what to look for in a good one.

 

[MinnBobber]

I like to ride bikes. I have for as long as I can remember. And let me tell you, I've had some pretty crappy bikes in my time. They didn't keep me off the bike. They made me know what to look for in a good one.

..............................................................................

But there were good honest cyclists that bought a fake Pinarello frame off craigslist or local ads and got burnt.

Copying a name brand---ok
Copying AND putting the original name brand on it -----bad bad shit.

 

[CarolKing]

I think some of us are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. We have different opinions and that's OK.

If I buy something and is labeled with a product name I expect that product to be real. I understand if the Air was labeled The Airr then there would be no misunderstanding. If I buy a Schwinn bike I expect it to be a Schwinn.

Isn't there some copyright infringement? I assume it doesn't count in China.

On FC we are always encouraging others to be careful where you buy. Beware those of you looking for a really cheap Grasshopper, that is already cloned somewhere I would guess.

 

[Stevenski]

Hey, I'm an Arizer fan. Don't get me wrong. The Air makes it such that I'm going to have a pretty hard time being happy with another portable. Arizer set the bar high and deserve to earn their fair share from that. And cheating is not admirable to most. But it is definitely an inherent part of a market driven economy.

Emotions aside, the matter is just interesting to think about. Like @nondarb suggests, let's not assume people who buy at DHGate are stupid. Just about anyone who's buying there knows they're buying knock off.

And I don't buy the unwitting consumer bit either. A consumer better get witting or s/he ain't gonna last long. Once bitten as they say. My guess is that the folks at Arizer aren't too concerned about unwitting consumers. They market to the witting ones.

I like to ride bikes. I have for as long as I can remember. And let me tell you, I've had some pretty crappy bikes in my time. They didn't keep me off the bike. They made me know what to look for in a good one.

I am a witting consumer but if I walked into XYZ store & purchased a KO vape off the shelf as an OEM I & 95% of people would be duped. Not everyone knows the subtle signs of a KO product, they just assume they are getting a legit item from a legit business. If you are smart enough to be buying from a off shore vendor etc you should be switched on enough to know the risks associated. This is about XYZ shop buying 20 & sticking them on the shelf at a discount.

 

[Bravesst]

Can't we all just get along...
I agree 100%. Arizer has developed a stellar product here, and "clones" or "counterfeits" are dangerous in that they are held to no real standards (imposed or self imposed), little or no R&D went into them (that cost was borne by Arizer), substandard parts are used, and will probably leave the buyer with a bad taste in her mouth (figuratively and literally) and maybe worse. This will transition into a bad rap for Arizer, and maybe a lifetime of vaping lost for the consumer - LOSE, LOSE, LOSE.

 

[GetLeft]

Yo. I'm not disagreeing y'all. I'm observing. We're moral. We have a sense of right and wrong. Capitalism doesn't. If there's an opening for a sector of the market to be exploited (in this case a person buying a vaporizer who hasn't done their homework) you better believe the market will find it.

If someone weren't winning you wouldn't be seeing the things on the market.

@OF how's the thing working?

Happy turkey day everyone. And tomorrow? Caveat emptor!

 

[OF]

If someone weren't winning you wouldn't be seeing the things on the market.

@OF how's the thing working?

I'm not sure about that. It depends, I think, on your opinion of counterfeiting being a legitimate free market venture or a crime?

It works thus far, nothing more positive to report. Some other, relatively unimportant, observations but I'm saving them up for a more concentrated report. This thread is basically about legitimate Airs I think? No need to clutter it up. Not to worry, I'm poking at it even now.

FWIW I've been thinking about using the 'clone' to make a PA for the Air since they're basically mechanically the same. At this point I can't recommend them as a vape........

OF

 

[GetLeft]

I, upstanding American that I am, would not consider it a legitimate free market venture.

I don't like to see people get ripped off. But they do.

Off to join in the 'family fun' with my AA cleaned charged and waiting for action. I'm thinking if I have any fun today it will be thanks to Arizer. And of course the wonderful Skunk I'm fortunate enough to currently have on hand.