The Arizer Air

[LongIslandmom]

So I wonder if I need this battery. If I call randy I could problably have it quickly. But it's never really died on me. And what would I do - just unscrew it?

I also liked that pouch that lazy lightening wrote about. I just can't remember it.

It's such an amazing vape and I am waiting for my new screens to come in. JoDa makes a nice adpater but the screen is really hard to fit in there and it's not made like planet vapes.

But don't you think this will be an awesome vape to use at the fest? Sun, food, music and a little bitty vape - how bad could it be? Get your tickets in your hand - you gotta go to New Orleans.

OF: are you in CA? I feel so bad about that drought. Hang in there

 

[GetLeft]

Tried a little more fine of a grind in the Air tonight. As much as I was urged to hold things upside down like @UnshavenFish suggested, I packed the loose flower in tight enough to keep it from falling back down. Prbably wasn't the best choice. The draw was very constricted until I lifted the stem up from its normal position. Once lifted, air flow was fine and I had a nice session. Stayed on the bottom two temps. A little later though I had an unpleasant lungburn kind of feeling. Perhaps due to the difficult draw at the beginning. Perhaps entirely unrelated. I think I'll be sticking to using the lightly tamped bud for the time being rather than the packed, more finely ground materials.

 

[WoodVillain]

Pennsylvapia, HAHA, thats clever!! Im in Philly right now, till the end of July, then to Florida.. But i HATE Philly. I call it Filthydelphia LOL. Im made for the woods, big cities suck.


Oh yea, if you guys remember the PVHES that customs confiscated last month or so, i finally heard back earlier today about it... Im paraphrasing here, but they said after reviewing everything they decided no laws/regulations have been broke... They said if i fill out some forms releasing them from any legal actions and have said forms notarized we can schedule a time, and method of having the stem released and shipped to me.

BUT, on the form it directly calls it a smoking apparatus. I dont agree. Maybe the reverse. Regardless what they call it i have no intentions of signing any papers or having anything notarized. I'll chalk it up to a loss.

Just thought id share the update on it.

 

[LongIslandmom]

Bring on that demo video @UnshavenFish!

LL What is the pouch that you use for your new air


Do you miss Jerry - I will get to see the Neville bros reunion at Jazz Fest next weekend. Aiko

 

[lazylightning]

LL What is the pouch that you use for your new air


Do you miss Jerry - I will get to see the Neville bros reunion at Jazz Fest next weekend. Aiko

I do miss Jerry, but am grateful the music lives on. I once saw the Neville Bros at Jazz Fest. Wow, that was like 20 years ago! Hope you have a great time!

You mean this pouch? There's a link right at the top.

I found a padded hip belt pouch (Mountainsmith Vibe TLS) with a waterproof zipper compartment that fits the f-Bomb perfectly. It also has a number of other useful pockets, including a separate fleece-lined pocket in the front. It's also made of 100% recycled material.

The inside waterproof pocket keeps the f-Bomb off the bottom of the pouch far enough for the AA to slide underneath. The 4-battery caddy with extra stem(s) fits in the rear compartment and any small grinders, containers, mini-whips, etc can easily be separated in one of the 6 divided areas in the pouch.

I'm not much of a hip-belt wearer and usually attach it to a backpack or hammock. It would work well for fast and light activities like running, xc-skiiing, biking, rock climbing, etc. The main thing I like about it is how perfectly it fits everything with just enough padding and compartments.

 

[Pipes]

I have had my AA for a couple weeks now... well at least I think that's about right.
Been very happy in deed with the purchase. Fits into my life style just perfect and is now pretty much all I'm using. Find the airflow improved over my older version Solo.
Power: To be honest, I have never even used the internal charger. I use it in conjunction with my e-cig and the devices share batteries. I vape at sub ohm coils and have appropriate batteries. If anything most are over rated for the task but never run them low enough to be concerned. Found the AA actually gives me a good indicator of my batteries life. I change out the batteries after 2 bowls which run time is 4-5 full cycles. After that the indicator shows orange or red for my weaker cells. So for me, having two devices using the same battery class is working out just awesome.
The screw tipped stem is the cats meow. Love the feel of it in my mouth and puts some restriction in the right place. And being able to throw it into the D20 (with adapter) anytime is genius.
My AA stems are both a good tight fit and my Solo stem are very tight. In fact, did not push in all the way as feared they would prematurely stretch the gasket(s).
I can't believe I found a vape that I have no ideas on mods that would improve it for my needs. This is a first.....
So all is just dandy with this pup. If I was to really nit pick, I'd like buttons with better feel to give user confirmation that both are been pressed...? No big deal and might just be me, but must have something to bitch about....LOL
Best vape to date and would highly recommend.

 

[GetLeft]

I'm with you on the buttons. I'm getting used to them but you have to find the right on/off spot and make sure that the on off step is taken care of before moving on to temp control. Can't move things too quickly with the AA I'm finding. I hope that switch holds up...

 

[OF]

So I wonder if I need this battery. If I call randy I could problably have it quickly. But it's never really died on me. And what would I do - just unscrew it?

But don't you think this will be an awesome vape to use at the fest? Sun, food, music and a little bitty vape - how bad could it be? Get your tickets in your hand - you gotta go to New Orleans.

OF: are you in CA? I feel so bad about that drought. Hang in there

Try it, there's a seam about 3/8 inch up the tube from the base. Just unscrew the bottom part.

I think it's an excellent choice, provided you don't loose it (several ways to do that come to mind....).

Yeah, it's dry here. We're growing tomatoes in the desert and watering golf courses where lizards used to dodge vultures. It's a self inflicted wound, the Bunny Huggers ( Environmentalists) have blocked every new state reservoir project in the last 40 years or so (they used our tax money to tear down hundreds......) while the population quietly doubled (many of them wanting to use water too). Check this out, about 10% goes to urban and suburban customers (common folks), 40% (and that's being cut back even more) to growing food for way more people than live here and 50% in various Bunny Hugger causes mostly to do with fish nobody really cares about. We're bulldozing down 40 year old orchards and failing to save the under two inch Delta Smelt (they found a single one in this year's survey.

Now we're paying for it. And a high speed train nobody will ride, biggest state project ever?

I'm with you on the buttons. I'm getting used to them but you have to find the right on/off spot and make sure that the on off step is taken care of before moving on to temp control. Can't move things too quickly with the AA I'm finding. I hope that switch holds up...

I find it easiest to not try too hard, just mash the entire keytop down firmly until it flashes. You need to hit both switches for long enough, which first doesn't matter. Get one then the other, hold it and watch.

I wouldn't worry about the switches (there are two), they're typical surface mount parts used in lots of products with a rocker keytop over them. They should outlive the heater/sensor/electronics handily.

OF

 

[lazylightning]

It's a self inflicted wound, the Bunny Huggers ( Environmentalists) have blocked every new state reservoir project in the last 40 years or so

Everything in balance right? If everyone were Bunny Killers, California would be as toxic and polluted as China in a few short years. New reservoirs only kick the can down the road a few years. California is unsustainable and needs to adjust sooner than later.

 

[Stu]

Everything in balance right? If everyone were Bunny Killers, California would be as toxic and polluted as China in a few short years. New reservoirs only kick the can down the road a few years. California is unsustainable and needs to adjust sooner than later.

Being from California myself, I think the best plan is to just poke a hole in the Oregon-California state line and let the water flow south. Why aren't the Army Corp of Engineers not already on this is the real question.

On an unrelated note:

 

[OF]

Being from California myself, I think the best plan is to just poke a hole in the Oregon-California state line and let the water flow south. Why aren't the Army Corp of Engineers not already on this is the real question.

Not to worry, we got Captain Kirk on it:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102605559

You can't make this stuff up.

OF

 

[Vape Hound]

I have a question about bubblers. I have refrained from using a bubbler with my Airizer Air because I read of an empirical study carried out by NORML, which concluded that a fair amount of THC is absorbed by the water in bubblers, meaning that more vaping is required to deliver the high when a bubbler is used, in comparison to vaping with NO water tool in line to decrease THC content in the ingested vapor, thus delivering the full THC payload with no potency losses due to water absorption in the bubbler.

I am considering a bubbler now, because I have twice wound up with a really bad sore throat from vaping, and I suspect that this may be a result of the very warm vapor I am inhaling straight to my lungs, as opposed to puffing a joint where I first take a drag that fills my cheeks, thus giving the smoke a moment to cool off before I actually inhale. I am aware that combustion takes place at much higher temperatures than is the case with vaping, BUT, inhaling from my vape as one would with a bong, I can feel the much higher temperature of the vapor, in contrast to my experience smoking a joint, during which I momentarily allow the smoke to cool in my mouth before inhalation.

So I guess my question to those who already use bubblers with their Airizer, is whether, in your experience, you have to vape for a longer time than you would without a bubbler, to get a similar high. If there is NOT much of a difference in the amount of vaping needed when a bubbler is used, then certainly I will get myself a bubbler, BUT, if the use of a bubbler does mean I will need to vape far more to achieve the same buzz, then I will look into simply using a longer glass stem such as the PVHE that has been recommended by users here in this forum.

Thanks for reading my ramblings, and any answers and opinions on whether or not to bubble my vapor, would be much appreciated.

 

[UnshavenFish]

Ok here goes ...

If by vape for a longer time you mean vape more herb, i find IME i can use the same amount of herb to get the same or better/bigger effect, now this could be placebo Or it could be something to do with a bigger volume in one inhale, perhaps with small hits you will notice less effect but for me when going for it its seems to have the opposite effect from what the science suggests.

The same way a bong (with water) always got me more messed up than the same amount in a J (obviously no water)

If you meant longer time in terms of minutes then IMO this will depend on the bong/bubbler you use.

For your throat water will help, i have heard people talk about having a glass of ice water and breathing into it then inhale (not drink) to cool throat/lungs if not using a bong, and some bongs/bubblers have a nice section that you can fill up with ice, although even without the ice cold and even warm water Will help.

 

[Snaplok]

This is what I used for a similar application:
http://www.tapplastics.com/product/plastics/plastic_rods_tubes_shapes/tube_pak/274

A long enough piece (easy to cut the tube) of the two inch should be just the ticket. The caps are fast and quite water (and smell) tight. If you want to be sure it floats with the vape inside, test that in the bathtub?

For that mater a couple of heavy zip lock baggies would probably be effective?

Enjoy the trip.

OF

Thanks! I'm finding that you're the guy in the know when it comes to products here.

That tube looks like it might work and go along with the ultralight principle. Bad enough I have to carry more

 

[OF]

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So I guess my question to those who already use bubblers with their Airizer, is whether, in your experience, you have to vape for a longer time than you would without a bubbler, to get a similar high. If there is NOT much of a difference in the amount of vaping needed when a bubbler is used, then certainly I will get myself a bubbler, BUT, if the use of a bubbler does mean I will need to vape far more to achieve the same buzz, then I will look into simply using a longer glass stem such as the PVHE that has been recommended by users here in this forum.

If by vape for a longer time you mean vape more herb, i find IME i can use the same amount of herb to get the same or better/bigger effect, now this could be placebo Or it could be something to do with a bigger volume in one inhale, perhaps with small hits you will notice less effect but for me when going for it its seems to have the opposite effect from what the science suggests.

The same way a bong (with water) always got me more messed up than the same amount in a J (obviously no water)

If you meant longer time in terms of minutes then IMO this will depend on the bong/bubbler you use.

Good question. I too am of the 'you don't lose potency' school. If you did, many of us MMJ types would figure that out quickly and abandon the idea. My 'take' is you can't dissolve/absorb THC in water like many of the components in smoke. "Rancid bong water" is not a vaping thing. I think cooling and adding moisture are the effects going on. Thermo Vape used to market 'smooth flow', a moist ceramic ring that added moisture to the vapor stream passing though it, it was surprisingly effective yet obviously trapped nothing.

If you want to trap the THC (for analysis) in the laboratory you do basically the same thing, bubble the vapor through liquid, but use Methanol not water which traps the good stuff very handily indeed (but kills guys trying to vape with it in their WT, an unfortunate side effect of an ill advised experiment.....). Water just won't do it I think.

Another way to experiment with cooling is use a piece of 3/8 ID silicone rubber tube as a whip. Stick one end over the MP and toke away. You can also experiment with moisturizing by sticking a piece of damp cotton cloth or a folded up pipe cleaner (my choice) in the top part of the stem. You need to add a drop or two of water every few hits, but it gives some effect and also gives you an idea of what you might get from a more serious effort. Easy enough to hook it with a bent pipe cleaner to pull it out.

However, why not just order the under $20 (shipped) PNWT clone from DH Gate and see for yourself? IMO it's a small price to pay for such potentially useful first hand knowledge. I suspect, like most of us that do such a test you'll keep it around for 'occasional to common use'. It's an extra, and usually unnecessary, step but I've got one here at the standby (although I notice some water has evaporated) as it hasn't seen much use lately as I've been testing Ascent (which doesn't lend itself) a lot. Sometimes it sees a lot of use.

OF

 

[Vape Hound]

Unshaven Fish and OF I sure appreciate your very informative replies to my noob vaping questions. It never occurred to me that it may be the dryness of vapor, rather than its warmth, that has been uncomfortable for me. With the explanation from OF in mind, I definitely will now purchase a bubbler of some sort, to humidify and cool the vapor.

Since I grow my own, it doesn't cost me any more if I need to vape comparatively more herb than before, when I start to use a bubbler, just as long as the vapor is cooled and humidified so that the experience is that much easier on the throat and lungs. The selection of bubblers offered by DH Gate is mind-boggling, but I might go ahead and acquire the PNWT clone recommended by OF, for use at home, and then maybe later I will pick up something a little more portable like the F-Bomb or the Pinnacle Hydro-Tube.

http://www.vapornation.com/pinnacle-hydrotube.html

Another tube-style bubbler I spotted at DH Gate is this cheapo $15 one, and I'm curious to hear if anyone has used the below device.

http://www.dhgate.com/product/glass-atomizer-ash-catcher-dry-herb-vaporizer/213068750.html#ctabBox

Much thanks fellas. I know it is just a matter of time before I assemble the perfect vaping/bubble setup here, and with that established I will likely bid a fond and final farewell to smoking joints, despite my undying love for the smell and taste of choice buds smoked in that old-fashioned, and slightly unhealthy manner.

 

[UnshavenFish]

Unless I'm mistaken the $15 one is the one that @OF has been using (amongst others) with the bottom part removed, check last few pages

Oh and just a FYI the PNWT is the same as the pinnacle hydro tube, in terms of size and function, the DH gate versions are just much cheaper copy's unless I'm mistaken.

You might want to look at some of the bubblers that sit on a surface on their own also if you have the space as it saves you holding you air and means the water is under the air not over the top, i have and use both styles the over the top kind are easier to move around with but the downside is you have to keep hold of it.

 

[WoodVillain]

Its my opinion that you do indeed lose a little potency with a water tool.. .Have i actually been able to tell a difference? NO. Thats why i said its my opinion LOL

Just doesnt seem to be logical to think NO THC/noids are trapped in that water... JUST the stuff we dont want gets trapped, and only the good stuff passes through? Sounds like wonderland LOL

But im no genius, not by a long shot... So who knows LOL

I do know i broke my FC-187 last night so i wont be bubbling for a bit.

 

[yekezil]

Yes @OF is correct, sorry did not know you wanted the lowest cost option. Alternatively if ~$27 isnt too much you dont have to buy a 18mm gong. You could get some silicone tubing from a local brew shop for a dollar or two a foot. Place a few inches over the stock stem and you have a safe but not as elegant 18mm.

So you have a few options. I personally prefer the bubblers since you can leave it ontop and its a more chill experience. The hydrotubes are very nice as well but you cant really leave it on top so its less chill. My friend is always outside hiking, mountain biking and he loves his hydrotube since its so small and uses very little water. For home use the D020, D020-D, and FC-187 are superior IMO

They all look very interesting. Have you tried them all?
What is the benefit of having a larger such as the FC-187 over a smaller one like the D020? Will the vapor be cooled down even more? Or is it just for bigger hits?

Also do you / can you add ice in those things? Or is that a big no no? Don't have experience with bubblers.

 

[WoodVillain]

I used my FC-187 for combusting mostly... So i often added CRUSHED ice. Regular sized ice cubes wont fit in it. Crushed ice worked but melted quickly as you can prolly imagine.

I like the FC-187 over the D020 mostly due to the side arm.... I didnt think it was large at all really. No experience using the D020 though.

I already miss it and its not even been 12 hours yet LOL

Damn... I just remembered Joda is making me an 18mm slide and the bubbler was the only thing i had in 18mm. Once i get moved to the new place ill for sure grab another one of these. Great bubblers for the price.

 

[OF]

They all look very interesting. Have you tried them all?
What is the benefit of having a larger such as the FC-187 over a smaller one like the D020? Will the vapor be cooled down even more? Or is it just for bigger hits?

Also do you / can you add ice in those things? Or is that a big no no? Don't have experience with bubblers.

Bigger units are more stable. Somewhere along the path it goes from being an accessory to having a vape attached to it.

I think most of the cooling comes from time, not contact with the water. Hot air cools fast when it's a small fraction, vapor not much slower. It's called 'specific heat', that is how much heat (energy) is needed to raise the mass one degree. If we use water, a calorie is the heat to raise a gram a degree C. The vapor cools as much (of close enough for Jazz) in a dry stem of the same size. Moisture is, of course, another matter. Or rather lack of it.

Sure you can add ice, it's an old Bong trick. But there you're trying to cool off the fire. Some guys do ice (although hard to load unless you break it up sometimes), some put the whole rig in the refer (careful not to freeze it), they sell jell filled tubes you can freeze and splice into a whip, and no doubt several others. Some old school bongs had 'ice spikes' to hold cubes above the water. Fun to play with I guess, by all means try it, but I'm with the 'warm is better' bunch. Room temperature or better still a fresh fill of warm/hot water. Counter intuitive as it is it can be better humidity wise........think about it, the hot water will evaporate a lot more than cold.

A great area for experiments, and cheap and easy. And all you've got to do to reset things for the next bowl (or even hit) is take it off. What's not to like?

I used my FC-187 for combusting mostly...

OH MY! You said a dirty word.....the "C word" no less.....

I'm telling! Where's that report key?

OF

 

[yekezil]

Sure you can add ice, it's an old Bong trick. But there you're trying to cool off the fire. Some guys do ice (although hard to load unless you break it up sometimes), some put the whole rig in the refer (careful not to freeze it), they sell jell filled tubes you can freeze and splice into a whip, and no doubt several others. Some old school bongs had 'ice spikes' to hold cubes above the water. Fun to play with I guess, by all means try it, but I'm with the 'warm is better' bunch. Room temperature or better still a fresh fill of warm/hot water. Counter intuitive as it is it can be better humidity wise........think about it, the hot water will evaporate a lot more than cold.

Very interesting, did not know people used room temperature water, let alone warm or hot water. I will definitely try it out.

Maybe off topic in this thread (but it's still an Arizer!), I have a retired Arizer V tower I bought a couple of years back (http://azarius.nl/images/resize/large/arizer-v-tower-main.jpg).

Which accessories would I need to connect this to a 18/19mm bubbler? Or is this impossible with this type of model?

I was thinking of getting a tube for my Air, and getting a larger bubbler for the tower.
Reason for this is I can't really keep big bubblers in my room since I still live with my parents, and I would just leave it at my hangout place, where my tower is.

 

[olivianewtonjohn]

They all look very interesting. Have you tried them all?
What is the benefit of having a larger such as the FC-187 over a smaller one like the D020? Will the vapor be cooled down even more? Or is it just for bigger hits?

Also do you / can you add ice in those things? Or is that a big no no? Don't have experience with bubblers.

I have tried the pnwt hydrotube, d020, and GB187 (what the fc187 is based on).

The d020 and gb187 have the least draw resistance, for the solo/air I am not a fan of high draw resistance pieces. The solo/air already have draw resistance, no need to increase them.

The main difference is a bigger can and nicer perc. The fc187 and gb187 are based off of the Möbius matrix ion which sells for $400. The perc has a lot peculation. D020 and 187 are both good choices but if id have to have one it would no question be the 187. If you ever get desktop vaporizer the 187 is a better match.

I got some pictures yesterday. The silicone is from my enano stem, you'd need something similar can buy some online or from a brew shop.

I unscrewed the mouthpiece

And yeah room temp water is the way to go IMO. Less condensation (occurs when vapor cools back down into a liquid-reverse process of vaporization) and smoother. I have a few cranberry extract drops in there which increases peculation (makes the bubbler sidewalls slippery) and the slipperiness also keeps the bubbler clean.

 

[OF]

Which accessories would I need to connect this to a 18/19mm bubbler? Or is this impossible with this type of model?

One of these should do nicely:
http://www.pipesdaddy.com/18mm-Vaporizer-Bubbler-Knob-p/as-0035.htm

OF

 

[WoodVillain]

Oh..... Yes... See with that attachment i could vape and "C" word at the same time

Call it Vapor Busting LOL

I actually drew up an idea i had for that very thing a week or so ago, basically just 2 female inputs on top like the one above, and a tube carb out the side so i wouldnt have to remove anything to clear it.