T-Bucket Banger System by NewVape

[kyshxo]

@kyshxo so...

What variables can you swap out to check what the problem is? Do you have other ways of checking whatever you're vaping in other devices to see if its the concentrates at fault? What concentrates are you using? (Im using very clean rosin, which helps with the lower temps I think, it burns easy).

Are you turning the cap? Its a one hole NV universal carb cap, yes? If you aint spinning, you aint winning (where is @steama these days?).

Have you got the kit to be able to take the tbucket out of the tsunami and to try it in a different rig? Maybe there is something up with the glass? What glass are you using? Hollowimhigh on instagram was saying he wasnt happy with the function on one of the pieces of glass he had paired with the Tsunami (either the carta or the peak glass, I forget which he wasnt happy with).

How big are your dabs?

Do you have any way of checking dish temp?

(forget uptemping until just standard dabs are resolved Uptemping is just me preventing coughing, it doesnt help achieve clouds tho)

I have switched between crumble and shatter and received similar results. I do turn the cap and that helps! I don't think I can take the T-bucket out/Tsu apart without voiding some warranty so I may hold off on that. I am using Carta glass which he liked. Dabs are regularly 0.1+. I have an IR temp gun but IR is trash.

If you give me a starting temp, I can calibrate and try to shoot a video over!

 

[EmDeemo]

I have switched between crumble and shatter and received similar results. I do turn the cap and that helps! I don't think I can take the T-bucket out/Tsu apart without voiding some warranty so I may hold off on that. I am using Carta glass which he liked. Dabs are regularly 0.1+. I have an IR temp gun but IR is trash.

If you give me a starting temp, I can calibrate and try to shoot a video over!

Intriguing.

I just set the ktype probe in the TB dish and went and did some other shit for a few minutes (paging dr @RustyOldNail ). Obviously, hand held, the readings fluctuate, but taking an AVG reading over time has settled at around 412f, and my controller is set to 415f, so pretty fucking spot on! (probe when not set to average is currently reading 425f, so that aint far out either). I've been running this controller for while now, and its been calibrated a few times but I wasnt expecting such accurate temps regarding controller/dish difference.

Anyway, anywhere between 500 - 600 should be giving you big clouds! Personally, I start to taste carbon at 480f so temps in the 600's should be good (unless its just burning away most of hte dab, but even then, you'd get clouds).

Yeah, do a video for us, just in case there is something we can see thats obvious, but its starting to sound like a dodgy controller/coil?

If you set to 415f, is the bucket itself still unbearable to touch? It should be...

EDIT: I've managed to rest the bare wire probe in the dish, pushing against the sapphire, and held in place via gravity and a precarious lamp/loo roll set up Probe is now reading between 410f and 417f (unless I create a draft). Spot on. AVG is 411f now. Wow.

EDIT 2: Upped the temp to 550f, keeping the probe set up. Within 30 - 45 seconds, the dish temp is up to 460f with quite a rapid ascent. Now its hit 500f, the temp increase has slowed down to a crawl. I just bumped the temp up to 660f, and the dish temp has started to climb at a really fast rate again. Dish temp hit 570f or so, then the temp increase slowed to a crawl again.

So there we have it. Uptemping is legit folks But it has a limit that needs adjusting for. The temp will increase rapidly for a part of the increase, then slow down for the rest of the temp increase. Which means, if you're uptemping on a vapecode, just over shoot the temp you would like to reach to make up for slow down in temp increase.

 

[kyshxo]

@emmdeemo GF talking a dab @ 600. Forgot to turn cap; forgive me!

I do get vapor but not on your level.
Have Stock Carta glass but it's red, so you wouldn't be able to see through; plus, this hits way better.

 

[EmDeemo]

@emmdeemo GF talking a dab @ 600. Forgot to turn cap; forgive me!

I do get vapor but not on your level.
Have Stock Carta glass but it's red, so you wouldn't be able to see through; plus, this hits way better.

Video is set to private

 

[kyshxo]

Video is set to private

Try now! and Thank you!

 

[EmDeemo]

Right away, I'm slightly suspicious of that temp reading barely moving at all. Thats a hefty dab you put in there. I get a three degree drop in temp just by putting a tiny 0.05 dab in the dish and starting to inhale (tho I'm 200 degrees down from you so that might not be relevant). If thats your vapour production at 600, is it comparably even less at 415f? It looks like 415f should be totally unusable with that level of vapour production?

If you set it at 415f, and leave it for a while to stabilise (like half an hour or so) is the bucket still too hot to touch?

EDIT: @RustyOldNail and anyone with coughing problems. Try this. Choose your temp (in my case, 415f) and pop ya dab in the dish. DO NOT CARB. Inhale all those lovely tasty fresh terps, without an irritable, expectorant cough (lower temp next time if it makes you cough). Inhale speed may need to be increased due to how open everything is without the carb. Once a full lung full is complete, breathe out, and cap the next hit. Are you still coughing? If there is a distinct lack of coughing, less than usual, try the optional extra step.

Optional extra step: While inhaling that first non capped hit, up the temp 150f or so. That second inhale should be thick but nowhere near as irritating.

(Optional extra step 2, late edit! - Return the temp back down to anything low before you finish the dab to ensure no nasties towards the end of the dab and keep the dish slightly moist for easier clean up)

If you try this, report back please so I know if I'm lost up my own arsehole and just way too high

Basically this is what I used to have to do on massive bowls of flower when I used the flowerpot if I didnt want to cough my guts up, and why I eventually went to concentrates only.

EDIT2: Another 0.15g down the hatch, same results. Its still not easy/plain sailing (it really is too much in one go for me initially), but yet again, no asthma, no inhaler use, none of the usual adverse lung reaction I get every single time with of any size, at any temp over 415f. And that first hit without the cap tastes INCREDIBLE.

EDIT3: Obviously, VARIABLES, I think the method is sound, just might need to adjust temps to compensate for other different variable (glass, draw speed, concentrate type, dab or glob, etc etc)

 

[kyshxo]

Right away, I'm slightly suspicious of that temp reading barely moving at all. Thats a hefty dab you put in there. I get a three degree drop in temp just by putting a tiny 0.05 dab in the dish and starting to inhale (tho I'm 200 degrees down from you so that might not be relevant). If thats your vapour production at 600, is it comparably even less at 415f? It looks like 415f should be totally unusable with that level of vapour production?

If you set it at 415f, and leave it for a while to stabilise (like half an hour or so) is the bucket still too hot to touch?

Just waited 30 minutes at 415 then touched the bucket. It was pretty hot for my finger. Then I took a dab but I got virtually nothing. Did turn the cap this time. Dab was a tad smaller as I know it was going to be a waste.

 

[EmDeemo]

Just waited 30 minutes at 415 then touched the bucket. It was pretty hot for my finger. Then I took a dab but I got virtually nothing. Did turn the cap this time. Dab was a tad smaller as I know it was going to be a waste.

My bucket at 415f will literally burn me if I touch it for more than a femtosecond.

I would say this is another clue that its the controller or the coil. Obviously, I'm guessing tho.

ENDLESS EDITS 1: I just temp stepped up thru the 400's, without carbing, (obviously, whispy vapour but very tasty), 415f to 435f, to 450+, and eventually capping at 500f. 2 solids hits at 500f, capped, but that second one did NOT taste pleasant at all. Much tainting of flavour, carbon flavour. Was a decent size dab and it was still thick oily in the dish when I dropped temp back down for easy clean up. Not so pleasant a dab.

EDIT 2: Controller has been set at 650f for about an hour now maybe? Ktype probe is reading 580f at most. Interesting...

EDIT 3: @kyshxo maybe there is something not quite connected internally, a lose fitting somewhere, an airleak?

EDIT 4: 0.25g. 430f start, uptemped to 570f (which means probably actual temp of around 480 to 500 before I down temped again?)

 

[elmomuzz]

I’m still a happy camper choking mine down at 711.

Everyone has their favorite method.

 

[EmDeemo]

I’m still a happy camper choking mine down at 711.

Everyone has their favorite method.

Their favourite method of me not coughing, or their favourite method of getting a hit out of a tsunami comparable to the tbucket, or even the dcup for that matter?

 

[kyshxo]

I’m still a happy camper choking mine down at 711.

Everyone has their favorite method.

What type of hit do you get at 711? Could I see a video if possible?

 

[elmomuzz]

What type of hit do you get at 711? Could I see a video if possible?

Satisfying.

 

[kyshxo]

Satisfying.

Y’all get some clouds compared to me! If you don’t mind.. at some point can you do 600 so I can compare? (Even tho there may be other cofactors)

 

[ensabbahnur]

While Im all for videos, I dont think youre going to find your answers in them.

If you can set you controller to >400 and you can touch it for an extended time, something is wrong with your setup. If you have another dish, id use it and throw some water in there and see what temp it boils at, that should give you a real loose temp reference if you dont have an IR gun or something. Recheck all your connections between all the parts of the nail, make sure everything is making full contact, under pressure, with everything tight. If that makes no difference then it could be a hardware issue. Watching 100 videos at various temps isn't going to actually give you anything of value other then entertainment, as mentioned all over the board, numerous times, controller temps are just a guideline....there are so so so many variables (material, ambient temp, altitude, etc) even between "identical" setups that will result in huge differences in your cloud production. Set the controller to whatever temp gives you the results you want, IMO who cares what your controller says, as long as its relatively close.

 

[elmomuzz]

The controller should never rise in temperature. And once your coil gets much above 100 I wouldn't touch the rig either.

The number on the box is never going to perfectly match the dab surface temperature. You can adjust the temperature offset in the controller but it's never going to be perfect. Like you say I'm just fine wth the coil temp that gives the dish temp I like. The numbers don't need to match.

 

[Zangano Cruel]

Satisfying.

Nice nice nice one my man.
Serious rip there.
Stay vaped!
Mantente de la mente!

 

[EmDeemo]

Y’all get some clouds compared to me! If you don’t mind.. at some point can you do 600 so I can compare? (Even tho there may be other cofactors)

As has been stated, more videos arent really going to tell you much more. You arent getting satisfying big hits like you should be at any temp, which is screwy and why I'm also wondering about any air leaks you might be able to find. If not, it seems more like its an electrical issue.

Set the controller to whatever temp gives you the results you want, IMO who cares what your controller says, as long as its relatively close.

This is entirely missing the point of @kyshxo posts, they arent getting satisfying hits at any temp and doesnt have kit to switch out. Please read all their posts. It also sounds like you might be getting my temp/coughing/controller experiments (an attempt to find my own personal temp curve so I can do massive hits and not cough. And Im getting there) mixed up with my attempts to help. The two are separate. The thread is a mere 7 pages, if you still need to catch up it shouldnt take long.

Same with @elmomuzz , Im very pleased for you that you're happy at 711 (even tho temps dont matter), but I fail to see how that helps @kyshxo get a decent hit out of their tsunami at temps that should be giving big hits.

EDIT: To anyone who might be interested, I've been talking to a couple of controller manufacturers about supporting either a glob/boost mode, or supporting NV products.

Sadly, augusthaus dont do EU/UK products yet, so thats out for me, tho they sounded very interested in adding kit for NV for you fine US folks.

Auber have said they can program a boost mode in, and seems keen already! Anyone have any CONSTRUCTIVE thoughts on this -

" what we purpose is this:
1) When the user turns knob clockwise for 5 clicks continuously (which can be achieved by turning the knob with your thumb and index finger in one action), controller will prompt the "boost" mode. The user need to press down the knob to confirm.
2) In the boost mode, the controller will heat up the coil to a higher set temperature for a certain amount of time (both of which can be adjusted by the user in a separate menu), and then allow the temperature to cool down to the previous standby temperature.
3) During the boost mode, user can turn the knob counter-clockwise for 5 clicks continuously to bring up the "Stand-By" mode (i.e., the regular control mode) and press down the knob to confirm, this action will cancel the boost mode. "

 

[elmomuzz]

Perhaps even simpler would be a boost button that activates the solid state relay bypassing the pid controller. I think I’ll add that feature to my box.

Just hold the button for a temp boost. Release and it returns to set temp.

 

[EmDeemo]

Perhaps even simpler would be a boost button that activates the solid state relay bypassing the pid controller. I think I’ll add that feature to my box.

Just hold the button for a temp boost. Release and it returns to set temp.

Would that be a set temp to boost too, or does bypassing the PID remove that as an option and just boost to its top temp?

What I'm aiming for is being able to start at a set temp, boost to a set temp, then come back again with minimal button fiddling.

EDIT 1: @RustyOldNail Just in case its of interest or relevance to your coughing experiences, this may help...

While temp stepping thru dabs, I seem to now be noticing two distinct 'choke' points that cause my coughing.

1. The terps that vape off at low temps, at higher temps they cause an expectorant cough from being too much at once.

2. The tickly dry cough that comes from inhaling dry, warm vapour drying my throat out.

My coughing fits and asthma spams seem to be caused by when these two combine when I do a dab at one set temp thats slightly too high for me (or too big a dab at that set temp). The boost or glob mode I'm doing is separating these two choke points out and eliminating my asthma fits and accumulated lung fuckery. Days later, after doing all these huge dabs without much slowing down and my lungs still arent fucked like they would normally be. Normally, testing has to end because my lungs cant cope Not any more!

EDIT 2: Third coughing choke point, the 'UGH, THATS CARBON' type, usually masked by terps.

 

[EmDeemo]

0.3g "old man fucked lungs, laborious and fiddly manual temp stepping boost mode, with three stage cough choke point removal add on" dab. No coughing fit, and no subsequent ill effects like I would usually get.

I couldnt have done this a couple of weeks ago. The heat transfer from the coil, to the Ti, to the Sapphire is fantastic, and super quick, and playing with that I can now do this. Thanks to @RustyOldNail for being the impetus to me getting the ktype probe out my ass at last and taking actual real world temps (however vague and inaccurate they may be, they helped).

This would be shorter if I wasnt so fucking distracted by the fiddly buttons and getting to the 'right' temp

EDIT TO ADD: That temp starting point on the controller is 350f, which is almost exactly what the probe reads at that temp

 

[elmomuzz]

Would that be a set temp to boost too, or does bypassing the PID remove that as an option and just boost to its top temp?

What I'm aiming for is being able to start at a set temp, boost to a set temp, then come back again with minimal button fiddling.

EDIT 1: @RustyOldNail Just in case its of interest or relevance to your coughing experiences, this may help...

While temp stepping thru dabs, I seem to now be noticing two distinct 'choke' points that cause my coughing.

1. The terps that vape off at low temps, at higher temps they cause an expectorant cough from being too much at once.

2. The tickly dry cough that comes from inhaling dry, warm vapour drying my throat out.

My coughing fits and asthma spams seem to be caused by when these two combine when I do a dab at one set temp thats slightly too high for me (or too big a dab at that set temp). The boost or glob mode I'm doing is separating these two choke points out and eliminating my asthma fits and accumulated lung fuckery. Days later, after doing all these huge dabs without much slowing down and my lungs still arent fucked like they would normally be. Normally, testing has to end because my lungs cant cope Not any more!

EDIT 2: Third coughing choke point, the 'UGH, THATS CARBON' type, usually masked by terps.

What I’m thinking will manually activate the heater so you will see the rise on the pid display. Since it is manual it will heat until you release the button so it can surpass the limits of the pid controller. I’ll try rigging something up today. Mainly I need an attractive button/switch. Lol

 

[EmDeemo]

What I’m thinking will manually activate the heater so you will see the rise on the pid display. Since it is manual it will heat until you release the button so it can surpass the limits of the pid controller. I’ll try rigging something up today. Mainly I need an attractive button/switch. Lol

Ha! Turbo button, it should probably be huge

I humbly suggest a gear change that makes Bachman Turner Overdrive start blaring...

 

[Roth]

EDIT 2: Upped the temp to 550f, keeping the probe set up. Within 30 - 45 seconds, the dish temp is up to 460f with quite a rapid ascent. Now its hit 500f, the temp increase has slowed down to a crawl. I just bumped the temp up to 660f, and the dish temp has started to climb at a really fast rate again. Dish temp hit 570f or so, then the temp increase slowed to a crawl again.

So there we have it. Uptemping is legit folks But it has a limit that needs adjusting for. The temp will increase rapidly for a part of the increase, then slow down for the rest of the temp increase. Which means, if you're uptemping on a vapecode, just over shoot the temp you would like to reach to make up for slow down in temp increase.

This observation definitely agrees with what I remember from the specific heat capacity equation.

Delta Q = m*c*Delta T

The bigger the difference in temps, the more heat is transferred (Q), and the object heats faster. M is mass and c is the specific heat of the object.

With my 30mm banger w/ruby insert, my usual set point on my PID is 500. However, when I first turn it on for the day, I often turn the temp up to >600. Once the controller hits that temp, I then turn it down to my normal 500. This allows my insert to be fully heated and ready to go much more quickly. Otherwise you know it takes a but for a ruby insert to fully come to temp!

 

[EmDeemo]

This observation definitely agrees with what I remember from the specific heat capacity equation.

Delta Q = m*c*Delta T

The bigger the difference in temps, the more heat is transferred (Q), and the object heats faster. M is mass and c is the specific heat of the object.

With my 30mm banger w/ruby insert, my usual set point on my PID is 500. However, when I first turn it on for the day, I often turn the temp up to >600. Once the controller hits that temp, I then turn it down to my normal 500. This allows my insert to be fully heated and ready to go much more quickly. Otherwise you know it takes a but for a ruby insert to fully come to temp!

Yes, and knowing where that fast temp increase peaks at, and what the approx dish temp is at the point where temp increase slows down, plus being aware of my other variables, means I can uptemp, and employ a rudimentary but very effective temp curve manually on a controller that doesnt support such functions

Outcome being no cough and dabs well outside my lane

New ~0.4g, "old man cant cope lungs" style. Dab came straight off the NV press plates seen in the back of the video, mere moments before it went in the dish.

And hence why I'm now looking for a temp curve/boost mode/glob function UK compatible controller that isnt stupidly expensive or kitted out with anything extra but a boost mode!

 

[MonkeyDsavage]

T-bucket worth the investment? I have been looking at enails. Trying to decide what one I want. Thinking about pulling the trigger on the t bucket bunddle with rdk 300. Or just buying parts of d-nail with rdk 300.