Sapphire and Ruby inserts for bangers

[sapphiredabs]

I think the company is based out Nevada? Maybe Arizona, but somewhere out in the South West if I'm not mistaken. Could be wrong on that though.

Their inserts are sourced from Russia.



I just weighed my 22mm ruby insert from 710Coils, and it weighed in at 15.04 g, or just a hair over 75 carats.

And 710Coils new batch of inserts coming in are 23mm diameter, so they'll weigh even more. Curious to hear what those weigh.


And my mistake for misusing karat vs carat before. Been meaning carat the whole time, always get them mixed up for some reason.





And to be clear, I have nothing against Adapt Tech. Their inserts are absolutely gorgeous, almost works of art. If I had the cash for one, I would definitely be picking up one (or two!).

The facets might actually play a nice role in increasing nucleation sites. I don't have a faceted insert, so can't compare. I actually still use one or two 5mm ruby terp pearls in my insert.

I'm simply pushing back on your claim that ALL China inserts don't have the heat retention of their Russian counterparts.

I don't believe that to be the case, at least not without some evidence presented.

I'd like to see a picture of it on the scale if you don't mind. Not that I don't believe you but I just would rather see it for myself. But tbh, I dont even think its necessarily the karat issue. Part of me thinks its not 99.9% ruby corondum like adapt_techs are. Even with the karat difference, the heat retention loss shouldn't be that great. My dropin shreds almost just as well as my blue insert. Even my 19mm Iridescent ripped just as well as my 22mm XL sapphire. Hardly any heat retention difference. And thats a 30-40'ish karat difference. I'm not entirely sure what it is, but something is definitely off compared to the real inserts.

faceting is just aesthetics, it doesn't increase functionality or anything.

You'll see that evidence presented when I waste money buying the inserts myself comparing them on IG. until then I can't really do much lol.

 

[invertedisdead]

Even if hypothetically Adapt Tech inserts did have superior heat retention... I use an e-nail.

So I guess for people with heat retention problems it's a great solution, most of us are plugged in though, where it's simply not an issue.

As for the durability, IDK, my friend did crack my Constant Gems ruby when he coughed into my rig and flooded it, it still works though. I doubt any gem insert would have survived that fatal death blow.

I accidentally dropped my sapphire on the floor the other day after a cleaning that baking soda soak can sure get slippery! Careful

I honestly doubt Russia has some top secret fake lab grown gemstone tech that nobody else has access to, but maybe I'm wrong there. Seems kinda James Bond-ish to me

From Russia With Dabs

 

[biohacker]

I'll be sure to do that next time, but i'm not talking out my ass.

Everyone is talking out of their ass without evidence, otherwise it's just your opinion which doesn't really mean much around here without some tenure. And you just got here! You would have been MUCH better off with some proof of your claims, but you obviously know that.

But, I have to ask again, and this is for EVERYONE - WHY is the heat retention so damn important? AFAIK, i'm one of the VERY few even using a torch, and everyone else is on a coil/e-nail (710coils axial most likely). I honestly wouldn't even WANT more heat retention on my rubies because the DOWNtemp is what makes it so enjoyable for me. And, my dabs are small enough (<0.05) that any more retention would simply just be a waste.

So what's the big deal?

My dropin shreds almost just as well as my blue insert

Well i'm calling BS on that. I've seen the videos of the drop-in and there is a good reason that I didn't buy it. Even Adapt Tech said it paled in comparison to the regular inserts for retention. They're pretty thin apparently. I'm pretty sure my thoughts and posts are around here somewhere on that topic... they weren't even very expensive, yet not a single FC member including @Shooby picked one up.

faceting is just aesthetics, it doesn't increase functionality or anything.

Are you SURE about that??

You'll see that evidence presented when I waste money buying the inserts myself comparing them on IG. until then I can't really do much lol.

Yes, you should have done that before you even came here making all of these claims, shilling AT and dissing everything else.

As for the durability, IDK, my friend did crack my Constant Gems ruby when he coughed into my rig and flooded it, it still works though. I doubt any gem insert would have survived that fatal death blow.

My 17mm white sapphire greek glass insert cracked from thermal shock (completely my noob fault), yet never actually broke either. Worked great! Also was thick AF.

@invertedisdead I didn't even read your post about the e-nail/coil retention before this post (this is an edit) but we're thinking the same vibes!

So I guess for people with heat retention problems it's a great solution, most of us are plugged in though, where it's simply not an issue.

I'd love to know which torchers think that ruby doesn't have enough heat retention for their dabs!?

The ONLY advantage I can see of even more retention for torchers is perhaps sharing with a friend?

From Russia With Dabs

 

[pxl_jockey]

I really like the looks of the faceted ruby & sapphire inserts at 710gems and both cost $150. That seems much better value than those at AT, I could get one of each AND save over $100?! I do wonder why 710gems doesn’t get as much attention as AT, fadespace, constant gems, anyone here know why?

Here’s another hypothetical question for youse guys:
So you have bangers and a coil, you even have a controller but to really take your game to the next level do you get a gem insert or MaxVapor controller? I know they’re not the same price (unless AT! ) but I wanna know which would be the best value for money & make the most difference in your day-to-day satisfaction. If the answer is both, then which do you scoop first?

&

 

[biohacker]

Here’s another hypothetical question for youse guys:
So you have bangers and a coil, you even have a controller but to really take your game to the next level do you get a gem insert or MaxVapor controller? I know they’re not the same price (unless AT! ) but I wanna know which would be the best value for money & make the most difference in your day-to-day satisfaction. If the answer is both, then which do you scoop first?

100% gem insert, or both but gem insert first

 

[bizwaxzion]

Here’s another hypothetical question for youse guys:
So you have bangers and a coil, you even have a controller but to really take your game to the next level do you get a gem insert or MaxVapor controller? I know they’re not the same price (unless AT! ) but I wanna know which would be the best value for money & make the most difference in your day-to-day satisfaction. If the answer is both, then which do you scoop first?

I was just at that cross roads and went with ruby insert. The insert works with a torch as well as a coil and I do still like torch dabs...

 

[Roth]

I really like the looks of the faceted ruby & sapphire inserts at 710gems and both cost $150. That seems much better value than those at AT, I could get one of each AND save over $100?! I do wonder why 710gems doesn’t get as much attention as AT, fadespace, constant gems, anyone here know why?

Here’s another hypothetical question for youse guys:
So you have bangers and a coil, you even have a controller but to really take your game to the next level do you get a gem insert or MaxVapor controller? I know they’re not the same price (unless AT! ) but I wanna know which would be the best value for money & make the most difference in your day-to-day satisfaction. If the answer is both, then which do you scoop first?

&

Definitely get the insert. A new controller will add some very nice bells and whistles, and maybe some new functionality. But the gem insert really takes you to another level.


@biohacker agreed, I don't need any more heat retention! It takes my insert roughly 15 minutes to come to room temp after turning my controller off!

I'm just pushing back on his claims that only Russian inserts have astounding heat retention

 

[LesPlenty]

Again its nice for 80$

Even better at $45,
https://www.dhgate.com/product/2019...l-with-thick-for/461379249.html#mfavit-8-null

19mmOD, 16mm High, 2mm Wall.

 

[pxl_jockey]

Thanks guys, you rock

 

[biohacker]

I do wonder why 710gems doesn’t get as much attention as AT, fadespace, constant gems, anyone here know why?

No controversy?

I'm just pushing back on his claims that only Russian inserts have astounding heat retention

Well I just measured my 19mm ruby, and it's around 40ct, but it's super easy to just add in terp pearls to bump it up to whatever you like!

 

[sapphiredabs]

Everyone is talking out of their ass without evidence, otherwise it's just your opinion which doesn't really mean much around here without some tenure. And you just got here! You would have been MUCH better off with some proof of your claims, but you obviously know that.

But, I have to ask again, and this is for EVERYONE - WHY is the heat retention so damn important? AFAIK, i'm one of the VERY few even using a torch, and everyone else is on a coil/e-nail (710coils axial most likely). I honestly wouldn't even WANT more heat retention on my rubies because the DOWNtemp is what makes it so enjoyable for me. And, my dabs are small enough (<0.05) that any more retention would simply just be a waste.

So what's the big deal?



Well i'm calling BS on that. I've seen the videos of the drop-in and there is a good reason that I didn't buy it. Even Adapt Tech said it paled in comparison to the regular inserts for retention. They're pretty thin apparently. I'm pretty sure my thoughts and posts are around here somewhere on that topic... they weren't even very expensive, yet not a single FC member including @Shooby picked one up.



Are you SURE about that??



Yes, you should have done that before you even came here making all of these claims, shilling AT and dissing everything else.



My 17mm white sapphire greek glass insert cracked from thermal shock (completely my noob fault), yet never actually broke either. Worked great! Also was thick AF.

@invertedisdead I didn't even read your post about the e-nail/coil retention before this post (this is an edit) but we're thinking the same vibes!



I'd love to know which torchers think that ruby doesn't have enough heat retention for their dabs!?

The ONLY advantage I can see of even more retention for torchers is perhaps sharing with a friend?

Heat retention is important because I like thick vapor production at the lowest of temps.

You can call BS on the dropin all you want. Check my story I'll post a video in a few. Hell I'll even go live with it if a have too. @adapt_tech said they are inferior to his other ones, which he is correct about. But its SHREDS like a beast for how dam thin it is. Almost as good as the blue.

My buddies greekglass sapphire insert cracked from simply heatcleaning for the first time. No liquid being touched on the insert or anything. Heat cleaned like I normally would and cracked it. Must've got a bad batch. Thankfully he got a refund


It's not claims. It's what I know to be true as well as a bunch of other users. Theres so many who ONLY owned China inserts telling me it's the same thing. It's not. Go buy both then you can speak on the topic. I did, and I know the truth. Just wait til I buy others from diff companies.

I honestly doubt Russia has some top secret fake lab grown gemstone tech that nobody else has access to, but maybe I'm wrong there. Seems kinda James Bond-ish to me

From Russia With Dabs

Why would you doubt that? They are the innovators. China is a copycat. It's obvious that @adapt_tech has better tech, better equipment, and is lanes ahead of China. Just look at chinas attempt to copying the blue faceted insert like adapt_tech made. Looks terrible. Cant even call it blue.

I'll reply to this thread again when I have china inserts in my hands for comparisons. I have a feeling I'll get a lottttttt of hate from China users once this is exposed. Oh well.

 

[JCat]

I have a feeling I'll get a lottttttt of hate from China users once this is exposed. Oh well.

See ... that's the problem. You're now at 13 posts, you come in claiming the product that is 4x plus the cost is so much better that it's not even a debate over what people should buy. You are not coming at it with a balanced viewpoint, you are coming in biased.

I'd love to see a direct comparison (as I'm sure others here would too), with real actual evidence (not the hearsay of some random person on the Internet which all of a sudden is coming in promoting a single product and putting down all other competitors). I've never dissed any of the vendors ... and value is based on performance and cost, not performance alone.

For example, I would never by $100,000 car ... I would much rather get a used one for $15,000 or less ... I figure the value is much better for me ... but the $100,000 car is no doubt so much nicer ... $85,000 nicer?--definitely not in my opinion--I would hate that car because of the waste of money it would represent ... and it would likely last me roughly the same # of miles and years before it was junk and not worth anything anymore ...

However, if I made $1,000,000 plus per year, and money was no object, I guess I would likely buy the $100,000 car without a second thought. (Unfortunately that's not the world most of us live in)

I'm sure happy to have 710coils and Greek Glass providing a quality product that they stand by for a reasonable price.

I'm sure if my 710coils ruby broke on me, shortly after purchasing, and it wasn't from misuse and I explained that to Shane, he wouldn't hesitate to replace it; I don't have that level of confidence in AT. Would they take my word for it and replace a >$400 insert?

 

[biohacker]

Heat retention is important because I like thick vapor production at the lowest of temps.

So we have something in common! Other than the fact that I get amazing heat retention even in the low 400's where I like to live. And again, some people like me actually prefer that down temp.... soooo much smoother. Seriously, how big are your dabs? And how long does it take to inhale them? It just seems like you're doing something wrong, unless your globbing like a 1/2g and it's taking you a minute.

You can call BS on the dropin all you want. Check my story I'll post a video in a few. Hell I'll even go live with it if a have too. @adapt_tech said they are inferior to his other ones, which he is correct about. But its SHREDS like a beast for how dam thin it is.

Surely didn't shred like a beast in his vid. Opposite of our preferred thick vape at low temp. But i'm all ears since AT didn't convince me, or any other gemstone dabhead here. And I used to exclusively uptemp with quartz, so I really wanted to like it too!

My buddies greekglass sapphire insert cracked from simply heatcleaning for the first time. No liquid being touched on the insert or anything. Heat cleaned like I normally would and cracked it. Must've got a bad batch. Thankfully he got a refund

Obviously, because lots of us got the GG inserts here, and not one has cracked. GG is great to deal with too, hell of a guy. AT are a bunch of stingy bastards in my opinion..... for the cost of those things, shipping should be included! We're talking peanuts to ship something so small and light, yet they thought they were giving me a "deal" with 1/2 price shipping. Thanks for the $9 off!

It's not claims. It's what I know to be true as well as a bunch of other users. Theres so many who ONLY owned China inserts telling me it's the same thing. It's not. Go buy both then you can speak on the topic. I did, and I know the truth. Just wait til I buy others from diff companies.

Why would you doubt that? They are the innovators. China is a copycat. It's obvious that @adapt_tech has better tech, better equipment, and is lanes ahead of China. Just look at chinas attempt to copying the blue faceted insert like adapt_tech made. Looks terrible. Cant even call it blue.

He said she said. There is no proof of anything made in Russia. Could all be complete bullshit.

I'll reply to this thread again when I have china inserts in my hands for comparisons. I have a feeling I'll get a lottttttt of hate from China users once this is exposed. Oh well.

WHY?? If I see some actual definitive proof that my experience and enjoyment could be improved, i'll be the first to sell my GG inserts and throw my money at AT. I have a feeling that will never happen though.

AT must LOVE you!!!

Are you SURE you don't get commissions!?

I don't have that level of confidence in AT. Would they take my word for it and replace a >$400 insert?

I think we all know the answer to that!

 

[sapphiredabs]

See ... that's the problem. You're now at 13 posts, you come in claiming the product that is 4x plus the cost is so much better that it's not even a debate over what people should buy. You are not coming at it with a balanced viewpoint, you are coming in biased.

I'd love to see a direct comparison (as I'm sure others here would too), with real actual evidence (not the hearsay of some random person on the Internet which all of a sudden is coming in promoting a single product and putting down all other competitors). I've never dissed any of the vendors ... and value is based on performance and cost, not performance alone.

For example, I would never by $100,000 car ... I would much rather get a used one for $15,000 or less ... I figure the value is much better for me ... but the $100,000 car is no doubt so much nicer ... $85,000 nicer?--definitely not in my opinion--I would hate that car because of the waste of money it would represent ... and it would likely last me roughly the same # of miles and years before it was junk and not worth anything anymore ...

However, if I made $1,000,000 plus per year, and money was no object, I guess I would likely buy the $100,000 car without a second thought. (Unfortunately that's not the world most of us live in)

I'm sure happy to have 710coils and Greek Glass providing a quality product that they stand by for a reasonable price.

I'm sure if my 710coils ruby broke on me, shortly after purchasing, and it wasn't from misuse and I explained that to Shane, he wouldn't hesitate to replace it; I don't have that level of confidence in AT. Would they take my word for it and replace a >$400 insert?

Yes they would replace it. 100% no questions asked. They have payment plans, buying one of there inserts it not that unrealistic unless you have like no income. There plan is 100% reasonable.

I'm not coming at it biased. Again me and a bunch of OTHER users are on the same page that China inserts just dont perform as good as the adapt_tech ones. And these are people who own both inserts.

And again you'll see evidence when I buy all the inserts. I've repeated myself maybe 3 times now?

 

[Roth]

Are you SURE you don't get commissions!?

I see it's been edited out by a moderator now, but their 1st post in this thread actually had a unique coupon code for $25 off at AT. A coupon code that was definitely assigned to them specifically.

I don't know how referral codes/coupons work. Is there always a kick back to the person pushing the product/giving out the code?

 

[sapphiredabs]

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He said she said. There is no proof of anything made in Russia. Could all be complete bullshit.



WHY?? If I see some actual definitive proof that my experience and enjoyment could be improved, i'll be the first to sell my GG inserts and throw my money at AT.

Really? The amount of ignorance you have is crazy. @sapphire_ruby_maker makes these inserts. Hes based in Russia. Speaks Russian. Is russian. Like wtf you really gonna go that far to say "well it could be bullshit maybe hes not getting it in Russia" Lmao that's hilarious def gonna screenshot this just for the lols.

I see it's been edited out by a moderator now, but their 1st post in this thread actually had a unique coupon code for $25 off at AT. A coupon code that was definitely assigned to them specifically.

I don't know how referral codes/coupons work. Is there always a kick back to the person pushing the product/giving out the code?

I dont receive anything for that discount code I simply asked adapt_tech if I code have a discount code in my name since I've transitioned a lot of people over from quartz to sapphire.

 

[biohacker]

Really? The amount of ignorance you have is crazy. @sapphire_ruby_maker makes these inserts. Hes based in Russia. Speaks Russian. Is russian. Like wtf you really gonna go that far to say "well idk if adapt tech is really russian?" Lmao that's hilarious def gonna screenshot this just for the lols.

What's really ignorant and hilarious is that it's so damn obvious who you really are now. I'm done with this shit. Bye now!

 

[sapphiredabs]

What's really ignorant and hilarious is that it's so damn obvious who you really are now. I'm done with this shit. Bye now!

I'm sapphiredabs. A.k.a deathboi. I'm not casey @sonnumberfour/@adapt_tech. I'm not his wife either. I'm not @neverfallin89 either.

I'm literally a passionate user who switched from quartz about a year ago. I have no relation/friendship with adapt_tech or his wife I'm strictly a consumer. The fact that you think I'm Casey makes me happy tho thanks.

 

[LesPlenty]

And again you'll see evidence when I buy all the inserts

I hope you purchased the really cheap China inserts like I linked as I am thinking of getting them and was wondering if they would be a step up from my Sic Halo or not bother at all.

 

[JCat]

Really? The amount of ignorance you have is crazy.

Wow. Now we're resorting to name calling. I'm sure that will definitely convince a lot of people of your argument.

I haven't seen any proof of where they are manufactured either, but I haven't looked. Perhaps they have this proof posted somewhere on their site? I'd want to post proof of it if I were them because its sure come into question a lot ... so why not provide proof if it is true?

Maybe you could scan and post a copy of your certificate of authenticity or something that came with your ruby insert showing that it is from Russia?

I don't trust someone and just take their word for it trying to sell me something, especially with a vendor I don't know. I'd honestly accept 710coils word for it, because I know him personally, and I know he is ethical and wouldn't lie to me and has no reason to. I don't know Adapt Tech at all, and have no reason to trust them especially given that they would have a vested interest to lie (as if it ends up their inserts are not made in Russia, and are indeed made in China, they would have to cut their price by 75% or more to remain competitive, as they could no longer cite manufacturing origin as a reason for difference in price)

Just my 2 cents.

Provide the evidence we have kindly asked for without name calling or putting down any members or any vendors, and we'll all be glad to look at it and will give it appropriate consideration; that still doesn't excuse the way you've come in here and talked down about other vendors and argued with other members. All anyone has asked is for you to prove your claims.

We're a friendly bunch though, so you are still welcome here, but please try to be polite and accept that you are not right because you say you are right (notice no one else has made that claim? That they are right without question? They have just stated their opinions ... all of which have left room for the possibility that the Adapt Tech inserts may perform slightly better ... we don't believe it yet, but we don't discount it.

 

[biohacker]

I hope you purchased the really cheap China inserts like I linked as I am thinking of getting them and was wondering if they would be a step up from my Sic Halo or not bother at all.

I heard that those cheap china rubies are a bit of a gamble and not "screened" like Greek's. Regardless, I still feel that they would be superior to sic halo. Dump the Ti! All glass FTW hands down.

Oh, and why not consider AT's amazing "payment plan"??

I'm sure that will definitely convince a lot of people of your argument.

IMO he's doing AT a MAJOR disservice. Big time.

 

[sapphiredabs]

Wow. Now we're resorting to name calling. I'm sure that will definitely convince a lot of people of your argument.

I haven't seen any proof of where they are manufactured either, but I haven't looked. Perhaps they have this proof posted somewhere on their site? I'd want to post proof of it if I were them because its sure come into question a lot ... so why not provide proof if it is true?

Maybe you could scan and post a copy of your certificate of authenticity or something that came with your ruby insert showing that it is from Russia?

I don't trust someone and just take their word for it trying to sell me something, especially with a vendor I don't know. I'd honestly accept 710coils word for it, because I know him personally, and I know he is ethical and wouldn't lie to me and has no reason to. I don't know Adapt Tech at all, and have no reason to trust them especially given that they would have a vested interest to lie (as if it ends up their inserts are not made in Russia, and are indeed made in China, they would have to cut their price by 75% or more to remain competitive, as they could no longer cite manufacturing origin as a reason for difference in price)

Just my 2 cents.

Provide the evidence we have kindly asked for without name calling or putting down any members or any vendors, and we'll all be glad to look at it and will give it appropriate consideration; that still doesn't excuse the way you've come in here and talked down about other vendors and argued with other members. All anyone has asked is for you to prove your claims.

We're a friendly bunch though, so you are still welcome here, but please try to be polite and accept that you are not right because you say you are right (notice no one else has made that claim? That they are right without question? They have just stated their opinions ... all of which have left room for the possibility that the Adapt Tech inserts may perform slightly better ... we don't believe it yet, but we don't discount it.

Really? If you cant even open up your eyes to see that it is made in Russia, then theres no more to speak about. I literally can't debate with someone that ignorant my head will explode. Ill let you think what you want. Cheers.

 

[JCat]

Really? If you cant even open up your eyes to see that it is made in Russia, then theres no more to speak about. I literally can't debate with someone that ignorant my head will explode. Ill let you think what you want. Cheers.

Still name calling ... guess I'll report you as opposed to asking nicely.

I'd love to open my eyes ... please tell me where to direct them to see this evidence of manufacturing in Russia. Or are you that ignorant that you just believe what random people tell you without verifying facts?

(Sorry mods ... tried to be on my best behaviour ... but I've had enough of this guy calling everyone names and ruining this thread ... it was interesting at first, and would love to see this evidence he will be getting, but at this point he's lost all credibility so I doubt anyone cares anymore)

Edit: I just reported myself to the mods too!

Modnote: tsk, tsk. C'mon Jcat, you know better than that.

 

[sapphiredabs]

Still name calling ... guess I'll report you as opposed to asking nicely.

I'd love to open my eyes ... please tell me where to direct them to see this evidence of manufacturing in Russia. Or are you that ignorant that you just believe what random people tell you without verifying facts?

(Sorry mods ... tried to be on my best behaviour ... but I've had enough of this guy calling everyone names and ruining this thread ... it was interesting at first, and would love to see this evidence he will be getting, but at this point he's lost all credibility so I doubt anyone cares anymore)

Edit: I just reported myself to the mods too!

Dude everyone on the planet is ignorant. Including myself. Its not name calling or offensive unless you take it that way. I take pride in my ignorance and try to learn more. Others.. not so much.

Look at @sapphire_ruby_maker page. You can see hes clearly russian. Especially when you speak with him. Adapt_tech has posted packages on his story that are clearly in russian letters.

Again I cant convince you and I'm not gonna sit here and try I got errands to run. Maybe later. Cheers

 

[biohacker]

How important is how many carats the sapphire gemstone is? I see adapt tech has 33 carat "on sale" for 245 and 38-39carat for like $20 more. They "claim" the higher carat sapphire "functions better" lol.

Look what I dug up! So, my china ruby from Greek is even heavier than AT's! For a fraction of the cost!