Rosin Technique....Easy DIY Solventless
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herbivore21
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For sure brother, I know you didn't get one, I was referring to where you indicated that you found it acceptable above.
BoogerMan
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Dammmmmmnnnnn that gauge costs as much as the whole setup lol. Too bad. I'd love one if it was closer to $50 or less.
DIY
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/v.../project-diy-force-gauge-testing-vise-301601/
Crush some wood? I have read 1/2" plywood starts to deflect at 1000psi but I am still looking for the link.
http://www.woodworkweb.com/woodwork-topics/wood/146-wood-strengths.html
Here 100,000lbs crushing a baseball. I thinks @shark sandwich had some numbers here.
http://i.imgur.com/98ppWA0.webm
weenstoned
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That's all pretty fair I guess. I do think people who are wondering why they can't get bubblemans results when they're pressing flowers and he is pressing hash need their heads examined. Also clearly not designed from the ground up to have maximum pressure.
TankHankerous
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I'm going to send back my press in the unopened box it arrives in. If they don't give me a refund I am taking them to small claims court in New York State. My lawyer has already typed up the necessary paper work.
chronickiller7
Well-Known Member
Anyone ever check this out? Seems awesome! Check out their instagram. They seem so simple, but effective. http://tarik-rosin-extraction.myshopify.com
2clicker
Observer
ha my bad. misread yer post. carry on.
good shit.
my new hydraulic press is almost ready. its pretty fucking stout. lol. thats 3/8" steel and 1/2" threaded rod. the jack is 5tons max.
looking like sunday before i can warm her up. need to hydrate the dry flowers im working with in the meantime.
BoogerMan
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Fuck yeah man! Lookin bomb diggity! Can't wait to see it in action. Now I kind of want one like this too. Looks slick!ha my bad. misread yer post. carry on.
good shit.
my new hydraulic press is almost ready. its pretty fucking stout. lol. thats 3/8" steel and 1/2" threaded rod. the jack is 5tons max.
looking like sunday before i can warm her up. need to hydrate the dry flowers im working with in the meantime.
I got my dnail press in today. Just had time to unpack it and heat it up to make sure it works.
Ill try to get shorter bolts tomorrow or Sunday to do the spring removal mod. I think I'll pick up a crowbar too so I can clamp the handle down with a little more ease. Then I'll do a review ASAP.
First impressions: it seems well built like I'm sure most t shirt presses are. I like the dual digital temp controllers too. For $335 it isn't too bad. Nice to look at anyways lol.
The only assembly required is to mount the second heater and connect the heater cable. It took 4 bolts and that's it. Took less than 2 minutes and they provided the tools needed so that was nice.
Here is everything I got. They tossed in a d-nail reusable grocery bag thing, 2 25u micron screens, a couple stickers, and a hat pin thing.
EDIT:
One interesting thing I noticed was the instructions say not to overload pressure as this may damage the unit. However the letter from the d-nail owner suggests adding clamps to increase pressure. This seems strange to me. So don't increase pressure with the options on the machine itself that are specifically designed to work together, yet adding external pressure from clamps is okay... Why wouldn't external pressure damage the unit as well? Just doesn't seem right.
Oh also I noticed my press did not come with a yellow "caution, hot as fuck" sticker on it, so should I burn myself and blame d-nail for not warning me? Since everyone is suing d-nail I figured, why not jump on the bandwagon huh
just playin. I aint that mad. I probably would have taken it off anyways because the yellow is ugly on it hahaha 
EDIT 2:
I had a minute so I remove the bolts and springs. The heater cover comes off and reveals the guts.
Any idea why the piece of cotton (insulation?) is there?
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Monsoon
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That looks sweet! I've seen some like that with springs on the bottom plate to help release it after the pressing, not sure if it's an issue but something to consider if you run into it.ha my bad. misread yer post. carry on.
good shit.
my new hydraulic press is almost ready. its pretty fucking stout. lol. thats 3/8" steel and 1/2" threaded rod. the jack is 5tons max.
looking like sunday before i can warm her up. need to hydrate the dry flowers im working with in the meantime.
I'm looking forward to seeing comparisons between the vise press and the D-Nail.
Just saw this posted on reddit, someone took the 5 inch heating plates from the t-shirt press and mounted them onto a 2-ton Arbor press. If I was starting from scratch I would go with smaller plates but if you have it already it might be worth it.
http://imgur.com/a/bKRPC
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I think to help keep the heat directed into the aluminum plate and prevent the case from being dangerously hot to the touch.
MileHighLife
Blower of glass, grower of grass
They probably don't want anyone doing what SoilGrown did to his large press.
poonman
Well-Known Member
That one looks like pressure is applied manually on
the red handle . I'm not sure if I can press hard enuf
or it can handle the strength of a bigger person .
But it connected my thoughts to something like this
as a DIY mod with flat surfaces , that is more sturdy
to press hard on ... giggity .
I don't think I'll need a $ 3000 set-up to achieve this method .
$300 to $400 sounds more reasonable , but will wait and research
some more 1st .
That is why I'm on FC and following this thread ...
Trick or Treat
Wood is a great insulator and your's look like oak? which has a pretty high crush number.
I have been meaning to buy some of this sheet to try out.
http://www.amazon.com/Phenolic-Sheet-Standard-Tolerance-MIL-I-24768/dp/B00CPRFMK4
if you are worried about crushing the wood, you could embed a small chunk of metal in the middle of the wood to stop the crush, like a 1/2" steel ball bearing or 2? It shouldn't transfer too much heat into your press.
I have been meaning to buy some of this sheet to try out.
http://www.amazon.com/Phenolic-Sheet-Standard-Tolerance-MIL-I-24768/dp/B00CPRFMK4
if you are worried about crushing the wood, you could embed a small chunk of metal in the middle of the wood to stop the crush, like a 1/2" steel ball bearing or 2? It shouldn't transfer too much heat into your press.
randomtoker
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Nice! I've been looking at pneumatic car jacks as well, but I'm not confident yet to build a frame. Were you able to get 'stats' for how much pressure the frame plates and rods can take? That's where I'm stuck thinking about this direction. Since it's not a traditional vise or press that pushes against itself, I'm nervous about making something strong enough that it pushes against. Yours looks very solid though. Thanks for the pic.
Can't wait to hear about it and see what you do with it!
**EDIT:
Here's some of the electric car jacks I've been looking at. I like the simple push button approach, but it would require a strong housing like @2clicker has made for his bottle jack. Lots of different models like these are being mass produced in China. Most are 1 or 2 ton. Some are scissor design, others pole. I expect to see flashy extract websites with 'rosin' & 'tech' in their names pop up selling these with dab stickers on them shortly.
If I were to go this direction, this appears to be the best power/price option I've found so far:
Pilot Automotive Q-HY-1500L Electric Jack (2 ton, ~$70)
This one is 3.5 tons for ~$130
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electric-Au...s-Trucks-Tire-Repair-with-Light-/321864524587
And here's a couple compact 'pole style' models (only 1 ton though):
- http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/12-volt-electric-hydraulic-jack/70757
- http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC12V-Car-E...Min-Max-Height-170-410MM-1200kg-/150882270018
General ebay search if you're interested (check the "browse related" also):
- http://www.ebay.com/bhp/electric-car-jack
So, does anyone who know more about pressure related tolerances have any thoughts on this sort of direction? An electric scissor or pole lift housed in a frame like @2clicker did with the bottle jack? Potential here? Or some obvious (but not to me) flaw in these devices?
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SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
Too bad I can't embed Instagram posts!
https://instagram.com/p/9hCpLWIUCB/ <- quick clip of pressing out a small quarter gram bud of Mango on a pnuematic press. About 200-210°F and 8 seconds of squish.
https://instagram.com/p/9hCpLWIUCB/ <- quick clip of pressing out a small quarter gram bud of Mango on a pnuematic press. About 200-210°F and 8 seconds of squish.
herbivore21
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Looks sweet brother! I haven't squished anything in weeks now, been exclusively dabbing full melt bubble hashes but I want to step up my rosin setup in a major way soon.
@2clicker. I love your hydraulic setup and wanna see the results as well as ease of construction (I have a scientist and technician background, not a shop class background!) you get with it before I decide on a weiss, pneumatic or hydraulic setup.
I wanna be able to squish nugs an 8th to a quarter at a time ideally. Now that I can make incredible solventless extracts without rosin tek, I need more yields and less effort to justify having a more expensive rosin setup.
Speaking of, I have some epic ideas for plate designs that could achieve this and also direct all of the rosin outside of the heated plates and away from the nugs!
I think when I get some time I need to collab with someone with the metalwork skills like my bro @Joel W. on making this concept a reality! These plate designs I have in mind should work with vise/hydraulic/pneumatic presses
Still BHO for me , thinking of making the switch. Interested to see more Dnail press results. After trying my girls flat iron it's hard to imagine that I would get as good of a yield, but it was no double sided press either. I do enjoy the flavor a lot, although I use nug for BHO so it's pretty tasty too. Got Full melt bubble on the way as well!
BoogerMan
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Now I understand why dnail says not to increase the pressure too much. The metal used for the handle is already bending. I was using a small metal bar as leverage in the handle to be able to clamp down at the pressure needed to get a press similar to the vise.
I won't be able to do a proper modification review as hoped.
I'm going to put it back together to stock and do a super short review.
Sorry y'all. I don't want to break anything anymore than I already have lol :/
I won't be able to do a proper modification review as hoped.
I'm going to put it back together to stock and do a super short review.
Sorry y'all. I don't want to break anything anymore than I already have lol :/
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
If you can rig the plates of one up to an arbor press it would work well. Your starting material as always is what dictates the quantity and quality. One of the automated presses will really help though. And you get higher returns with bubble so it would be easier to get more oil from it. I've pretty much ditched BHO in favor of rosin, but I don't dab that much so it's easier for me to transition.
BoogerMan
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Here is the bent handle. I'll probably go buy a vise grip or c clamp and try to bend it back together (the two bars are supposed to be touching, not split apart like that). I would just use the vise I have but you can't remove the handle. All other parts of the press use bolts and this handle uses rivots so without breaking those you can't remove the handle. Everything still functions fine, it just looks strange split apart like that.
SO DO NOT USE A CROW BAR OR PIPE TO GET EXTRA TORQUE ON THE HANDLE!
Okay here is the only comparison I will be doing because it is the only comparison needed.
The long parchment on the left is a 0.75g nug pressed twice with the d-nail press at 225F (big one in the center, tiny one near the outside). I got about 0.03g. Complete garbage. The parchment in the bottom right is this same 0.75g nug pressed a 3rd time in my vise and it got 0.02g. The dnail press left so much behind. So sad
The parchment in the top right is a 0.75g nug of the same strain pressed once using the vise at 225F. I got 0.11g. If I would have pressed it a second time in the vise I probably would have got another 0.03g.
So basically the dnail press yielded around 4% in 2 presses and the vise yielded around 15% in one press. Also note the dnail press left 40% behind in the nug that the @Joel W. vise setup was able to squeeze out.
No more testing or playing with the dnail press will be done. I'm going to fix the handle then sell it with my set of pocono sifting screens on CL and recommend it be used to press sift for maximum yields (I'm not trying to rip anyone off and claim that it works great with bud because it clearly doesn't from my experience).
Sorry to everyone who spent money one this. I hope you can get it back one way or the other.
The dnail press may work better with hash since not as much pressure is needed (it seems like from bubblemans videos). But I can't say for sure since I won't be trying it.
SO DO NOT USE A CROW BAR OR PIPE TO GET EXTRA TORQUE ON THE HANDLE!
Okay here is the only comparison I will be doing because it is the only comparison needed.
The long parchment on the left is a 0.75g nug pressed twice with the d-nail press at 225F (big one in the center, tiny one near the outside). I got about 0.03g. Complete garbage. The parchment in the bottom right is this same 0.75g nug pressed a 3rd time in my vise and it got 0.02g. The dnail press left so much behind. So sad
The parchment in the top right is a 0.75g nug of the same strain pressed once using the vise at 225F. I got 0.11g. If I would have pressed it a second time in the vise I probably would have got another 0.03g.
So basically the dnail press yielded around 4% in 2 presses and the vise yielded around 15% in one press. Also note the dnail press left 40% behind in the nug that the @Joel W. vise setup was able to squeeze out.
No more testing or playing with the dnail press will be done. I'm going to fix the handle then sell it with my set of pocono sifting screens on CL and recommend it be used to press sift for maximum yields (I'm not trying to rip anyone off and claim that it works great with bud because it clearly doesn't from my experience).
Sorry to everyone who spent money one this. I hope you can get it back one way or the other.
The dnail press may work better with hash since not as much pressure is needed (it seems like from bubblemans videos). But I can't say for sure since I won't be trying it.
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Jeffrey Dabs
Member
Hey everyone,
This is my first post on FC. I've been lurking for years but now that I am a federally licensed medical user in Canada I feel that I can come out of the shadows.
I wanted to share a video I put together showing how I do my solventless extraction using the quick grip clamp. A lot of people are using this method as i'm sure most of you already know.
How to make Solventless Hash Oil (Rosin Tech)
This is my first post on FC. I've been lurking for years but now that I am a federally licensed medical user in Canada I feel that I can come out of the shadows.
I wanted to share a video I put together showing how I do my solventless extraction using the quick grip clamp. A lot of people are using this method as i'm sure most of you already know.
How to make Solventless Hash Oil (Rosin Tech)