Rosin Technique....Easy DIY Solventless

[BoogerMan]

From my understanding, as long as the rosin flows outside of the heat then you can press as long as you wish.

So far I prefer lower temps 220-230F for about a 20-30 second press. Repeat a second time.

I like the lower temp longer press to attempt to preserve terpenes.

I don't think there is anything wrong with shorter presses at higher temps, I just don't think it turns out quite as good but I'm a noob to rosin so what do I know

@poonman Dude! Thanks! Well, completely disregard my earlier question then. I wish I could remember which thread linked the 30% thc because that's the only one I'd seen and it just didn't make sense (why I asked).

These results look much more in line with what I'd expect from these concentrated looking extractions. Thanks again for the link.

Was it maybe my post about the Critical Mass CBD oil? That had 30% thc, but then it also had 30% cbd (which is why the thc is much lower than normal concentrates).

@2clicker there is definitely such a thing as too much moisture. I cut off a lower popcorn nug (plant is about 1 week from harvest and was watered the day before I believe) and tried immediately pressing it. Didn't get any rosin, mostly just murkey colored water.

As soon as I am able to, I am going to try pressing freshly harvested bud after a couple days of drying for a semi live resin rosin. I believe @Joel W. did this with good success (IIRC I think he said he dtied it for 4 days before squishing?). Maybe it will be even more flavorful then cured bud rosin. Who knows?!?!?

 

[Joel W.]

Didn't get any rosin, mostly just murkey colored water.

Set the parchment aside for a few days to dry out somewhere, then the oil should be visible and recoverable.

Do you mean this one ?

http://analytical360.com/?s=rosin

I am wondering it pressing for longer times results in more THC-A converted to THC or is that more strain related deal?

Looking at the color of the rosin in the pics vs THC content, I am unsure.

 

[BoogerMan]

Set the parchment aside for a few days to dry out somewhere, then the oil should be visible and recoverable.



I am wondering it pressing for longer times results in more THC-A converted to THC or is that more strain related deal?

Looking at the color of the rosin in the pics vs THC content, I am unsure.

Dang I'll have to try that if I ever press a super fresh nug again. I already tossed it out thinking it was worthless. It was maybe only a 0.5g popcorn nug I squished so no big deal!

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Dang I'll have to try that if I ever press a super fresh nug again. I already tossed it out thinking it was worthless. It was maybe only a 0.5g popcorn nug I squished so no big deal!

Like I said earlier 3-4 days seems to be about right for pressing "live rosin", this was a smaller bottom node nug and a hot few days so it may have dried a little faster than normal for my area.

@Joel W. longer press times will activate more cannabinoids, with respect to the rosin being exposed to the heat. If you're doing it on a 1 inch plate the rosin doesn't have to travel as far to be "out of the heat" compared to a 6 inch plate where it has to travel the ~5 inches away from the flower and heated plates to get out. I've also seen lots of test reports where the total activated cannabinoid content is 2-3x higher than quality BHO. My experiences with oils is that decarbed oil is sappy and sticky and never shatter, when regular flower (no decarb) can and usually does come out shattery. I've made BHO from fresh flower, ABV, decarbed flower, and decarbed is never shatter. Fresh, almost always shatter, and decarbed flower, sappy as hell. I've also made rosin from hash a bit and have found that certain kinds of hash produce half-sappy-half-shattery oil, and other kinds of hash make straight sticky sappy hash oil that is almost a pain to work with. I believe it was Jared that pressed wand hash from an LSV? That stuff would (should) be decarbed and condensed cannabinoids, and it came out sticky to the point he had to put it in the freezer to collect... which lines up with my experiences and some others' that I have read online. If you have the flower to play around with, I'd be curious to hear your experiences. Sometimes if I sit on the heat for a bit trying to squeeze every last drop out of a second press of rosin, it all comes out super sappy and sticky, which would make sense because the rosin coming out of the second press would have been exposed to the heat twice.

 

[2clicker]

so i was checking out hash church and bubblemans stuff and was wondering about the new rosin bags they are selling. well i wanted to know exactly what the material was and just as posted earlier in this thread it is simply monofiliment poly mesh. or screen printing mesh. my plan was to get some and make some custom sized bags. anyway, during my search i came across Mash Mesh. looks like they carry bags made from the same stuff at a very aggressive price. anyway, its still cheaper to buy the mesh yourself and sew them up although now im wondering what kind of string to use to sew it, but at least another option for those who just want them now.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

so i was checking out hash church and bubblemans stuff and was wondering about the new rosin bags they are selling. well i wanted to know exactly what the material was and just as posted earlier in this thread it is simply monofiliment poly mesh. or screen printing mesh. my plan was to get some and make some custom sized bags. anyway, during my search i came across Mash Mesh. looks like they carry bags made from the same stuff at a very aggressive price. anyway, its still cheaper to buy the mesh yourself and sew them up although now im wondering what kind of string to use to sew it, but at least another option for those who just want them now.

Cotton threading perhaps? Just need to make sure it's not mercerized. 100% non-colored cotton thread should be safe... Personally I feel that it would be safe, but then again I use cotton (and rayon) in my ecig and use it to vape concentrates by themselves in my vapes, where it gets exposed to ~400f. Have not really noticed any "structural degradation" from using it in vapes

edit: thought I posted the link, apparently not. Here's some unmercerized organic cotton thread/yarn. Looks thin enough to not be a problem, I'm sure I'll be able to find something thinner somewhere. Seems like a lot of threading is mercerized.

http://organiccottonplus.com/products/organic-cotton-yarn-natural

 

[BoogerMan]

Like I said earlier 3-4 days seems to be about right for pressing "live rosin", this was a smaller bottom node nug and a hot few days so it may have dried a little faster than normal for my area.

@Joel W. longer press times will activate more cannabinoids, with respect to the rosin being exposed to the heat. If you're doing it on a 1 inch plate the rosin doesn't have to travel as far to be "out of the heat" compared to a 6 inch plate where it has to travel the ~5 inches away from the flower and heated plates to get out. I've also seen lots of test reports where the total activated cannabinoid content is 2-3x higher than quality BHO. My experiences with oils is that decarbed oil is sappy and sticky and never shatter, when regular flower (no decarb) can and usually does come out shattery. I've made BHO from fresh flower, ABV, decarbed flower, and decarbed is never shatter. Fresh, almost always shatter, and decarbed flower, sappy as hell. I've also made rosin from hash a bit and have found that certain kinds of hash produce half-sappy-half-shattery oil, and other kinds of hash make straight sticky sappy hash oil that is almost a pain to work with. I believe it was Jared that pressed wand hash from an LSV? That stuff would (should) be decarbed and condensed cannabinoids, and it came out sticky to the point he had to put it in the freezer to collect... which lines up with my experiences and some others' that I have read online. If you have the flower to play around with, I'd be curious to hear your experiences. Sometimes if I sit on the heat for a bit trying to squeeze every last drop out of a second press of rosin, it all comes out super sappy and sticky, which would make sense because the rosin coming out of the second press would have been exposed to the heat twice.

Awesome thanks! I'll try the 3-4 day dry at around 40-50% humidity and then press. I'll give this a go next weekend I'm sure it will turn out way better like you are saying. Thanks man!

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Awesome thanks! I'll try the 3-4 day dry at around 40-50% humidity and then press. I'll give this a go next weekend I'm sure it will turn out way better like you are saying. Thanks man!

The temp in those days here was high 90s to low 100s and dry/arid, however the nugs were in my room on a desk outside of direct sunlight... and my room ends up being the hottest in the house after 4pm when the sun is actually hitting it more directly, so I imagine the humidity here was a lot lower than that. Like Joel said, if you leave it alone for a few days the moisture evaporates and makes collection easier. I ran into the same problem the first few times I did "live rosin" and was cleaning the parchments a few days later, so you won't really be losing anything in case there's still too much moisture. Maybe a small small amount of terpenes, I don't think the watery stuff tasted any less/worse than the actual live rosin I made after that...

@poonman Dude! Thanks! Well, completely disregard my earlier question then. I wish I could remember which thread linked the 30% thc because that's the only one I'd seen and it just didn't make sense (why I asked).

These results look much more in line with what I'd expect from these concentrated looking extractions. Thanks again for the link.

Read carefully, it may well have been 30% THC but total THC content could have been 70% (meaning 40% of that was THCa). It lists different forms of THC (as well as delta 8 THC) and then gives you a total of all of it It's also genetics from the material pressing that could be causing it, I've had flower that's around 5% THC and 15% CBD. Also also, THC will oxidize/degrade into CBN, not CBD, which could maybe explain why it was lower THC if a lot of it degraded into CBN. Another way of getting lower THC quantities in extracts, and this is apart from rosin, is by fractional distillation, where you mix it with a solvent and then evaporate and recondense everything below whatever cannabinoid you want, then the actual cannabinoid you want, and then everything above it. This uses solvent though and would not be considered rosin, at least not to me.

 

[simpleasthcis]

This is my fork combustion brake press !
As I've been following the thread and the quest for more "pressure" goggle often offers the term "press brake" then the light came on in my garage .
I've only used 1' plates so big pressure isn't hard to achieve, this provides plenty
With very little effort or cost .

This was 5 days of the plant @ 110c IMO moisture and temp are more important than pressure,I can blow out even with this but results are better and collection is Easier when the parchment is untainted ,as stated above a drop of water works great for the second press
Great work n good luck squashers

 

[sickmanfraud]

Hey guys, I am interested in the technique, but not 70 + pages interested.

Can you please point me to the best place to start?

Thanks.

 

[smokum]

Hey guys, I am interested in the technique, but not 70 + pages interested.

Can you please point me to the best place to start?

Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=easy+rosin+tutorial

 

[2clicker]

Cotton threading perhaps? Just need to make sure it's not mercerized. 100% non-colored cotton thread should be safe... Personally I feel that it would be safe, but then again I use cotton (and rayon) in my ecig and use it to vape concentrates by themselves in my vapes, where it gets exposed to ~400f. Have not really noticed any "structural degradation" from using it in vapes

edit: thought I posted the link, apparently not. Here's some unmercerized organic cotton thread/yarn. Looks thin enough to not be a problem, I'm sure I'll be able to find something thinner somewhere. Seems like a lot of threading is mercerized.

http://organiccottonplus.com/products/organic-cotton-yarn-natural

thanks mane! im wondering if they are using a synthetic material like the mesh itself. seems like cotton would absorb the oil where a non porous thread would not. im going to reach out to bubbleman or the other joint i linked to and see if they will tell me. I appreciate the link tho and have bookmarked it!

EDIT* fresh headies advised "It's a medical grade nylon so it's synthetic". so now to figure out what type.

IMO moisture and temp are more important than pressure,

i believe that pressure can replace heat in our case tho. as in the more pressure you use the less heat is needed. to get the same results. i think this relationship is called "gay-lussacs law". more pressure on the molecular level is the same as more heat. so in short pressure = heat and vise versa.

 

[Izan]

Hey folks,
Does anyone have any information on this mat from ikea?

It looks to be of the same construction as the other "SAFE" silicon baking ware they sell.

I plan to cut one up and press with it (in place of parchment) and use another as a non-stick work surface.

Thanks
I

 

[smokum]

For a second there I thought it was a sheet of Cid blotter from back in the day

I can't see how this will work
In place of parchment it will displace the heat needed and also detract from the pressure your trying to achieve.

 

[killick]

@Izan best of luck with the attempt! On the plus side it's not expensive, so experiment away.

My wife recently came home with a box of the yellow 'parchment paper' from a megamart. I'd just read about the differences in parchment a few pages back, and looked at this one. It has a label that says 'always wet each side of the paper before use'. It says nothing about how it's made. I'm guessing that if it needs to be wet to be activated that it's a spray-on coating on the paper, and every time I use it (never wetting it) I wonder if/how/what it's actually doing. But having said that this is a big assumption on my part as all my vast parchment knowledge came from this thread...

We tossed it out (this morning), and will get some that seems to be 'real' next time...

 

[nathan7]

SILICONE RUBBER SHEET HIGH TEMP SOLID RED/ORANGE COMMERCIAL GRADE 8" x 8" x 1/8"

 

[Hot Dog Day 187]

Thanks to you guys last night i put on some shoes and really stomped on my hair iron and stood on it for like a minute at a time...
I'm low on nuggets and am gonna wait to get more before i keep going but i was getting some great yields finally.

 

[2clicker]

New-Vape has some reasonably priced ones and cheap shipping, should only set you back $10-20 shipped:
2" dabber
4" dabber

so i was about to pull the trigger on a Ti dabber, but just cant bring myself to spend $20 on one.

considering i do not need this item to be made of Ti, because i dont dab off a nail, then i think im going to cop one of those SS dental pick sets you can pick up on amazon. you can get like 10-15 dif styles for like $8-10 for all of them. should be nice to have all the different style tips to see what works best for rosin collection.

EDIT* i meant "wax carver" set

 

[matthend]

so i was about to pull the trigger on a Ti dabber, but just cant bring myself to spend $20 on one.

considering i do not need this item to be made of Ti, because i dont dab off a nail, then i think im going to cop one of those SS dental pick sets you can pick up on amazon. you can get like 10-15 dif styles for like $8-10 for all of them. should be nice to have all the different style tips to see what works best for rosin collection.

EDIT* i meant "wax carver" set

I have this and cant complain at all

 

[Hot Dog Day 187]

I have this and cant complain at all

Same, its been a while since i dabbed with any sort of regularity, but those amazon "wax carver"s have been serving me just fine for a really long time...

 

[TankHankerous]

I read a disappointing post about the D-Nail press on Reddit/Rosin tonight.... Fucking horseshit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/rosin/comments/3qpr70/dnail_finally_came_through_album_included/

 

[BoogerMan]

I read a disappointing post about the D-Nail press on Reddit/Rosin tonight.... Fucking horseshit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/rosin/comments/3qpr70/dnail_finally_came_through_album_included/

I think it is kind of funny how shitty it is compared to a vise. Too bad it is too big to be a paper weight

No more impulse buys for me I wonder how many we will see show up on CL. You'll see at least 1 in my area

My favorite part of the letter is "Previously, I didn't understand the parameters for the process as well as I would have liked... no one did."

The funny thing is, it seems like some of you guys "did"... Just sayin.

@Quetzalcoatl was makin some yummy back in March

I'm using a ceramic 2 inch hair straightener, 320 degrees. About .25g size buds between parchment paper, press as hard as I can for 2 seconds. I have this thin silicone mat thing I lay on one side of the iron so that nothing slips when I press down. Repeat again to get a second bit. Let it cool and using a safety pin or something you can flick the particulates off before collecting the oil, but if you did it right you won't get much.

@darkrom, I know, I tried it again and it came out a bit better

 

[herbivore21]

I read a disappointing post about the D-Nail press on Reddit/Rosin tonight.... Fucking horseshit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/rosin/comments/3qpr70/dnail_finally_came_through_album_included/

Uh man, there are no specific issues with the press itself outlined in the OP here. The gripe seems to be with customer service and the freebies given for the delay.

I can't understand how people are arguing that the press doesn't work when we've all watched it work in Bubbleman's videos? We all know that more effective presses have been released since the pre-order for this beta started and that people will have preferred having known this to get one of these items.

Still, one cannot blame that on the manufacturer of the original press, a beta item that was purchased (beta does mean it is a test product, not a final release - if you expect perfection with a beta product, you will forever be disappointed!).

Moreover, anyone who doesn't think that when you buy a d-nail product, they won't have a new version out very soon is simply not familiar with d-nail's R&D. They always have something new in the pipeline, that is a positive IMHO. If I was able to pre-order the beta press, I would have been disappointed insofar as better presses arrived sooner (but not at the time that the pre-orders opened) than these beta presses shipped.

However, I would recognize that this is unfortunately bad luck. No vendor is obliged to provide you with a better product or refund just because the test product that you pre-ordered arrived after better options became available. Changing your mind does not entitle you to a refund in any society that I know of. The small presses and large presses from what I have read function as we could observe in the Bubbleman videos long, long ago. We knew that these beta presses weren't providing absolutely revolutionary performance when we saw these videos (in fact this early version seems to be only somewhat better than a standard flat iron IMO) and many of us discussed this here.

While I definitely feel for my friends here who ended up getting a considerably less effective product than others that have emerged - I fail to see what was underhanded in this process! Sure there were delays, but reasons were given and an effort to compensate this was made at the initiative of the manufacturer.

Again, before everyone comes in screaming 'shill', I will clarify as I have before that I have no financial interest in D-nail whatsoever and have never personally profited from the sales of D-nail products.

 

[BoogerMan]

Uh man, there are no specific issues with the press itself outlined in the OP here. The gripe seems to be with customer service and the freebies given for the delay.

I can't understand how people are arguing that the press doesn't work when we've all watched it work in Bubbleman's videos? We all know that more effective presses have been released since the pre-order for this beta started and that people will have preferred having known this to get one of these items.

Still, one cannot blame that on the manufacturer of the original press, a beta item that was purchased (beta does mean it is a test product, not a final release - if you expect perfection with a beta product, you will forever be disappointed!).

Moreover, anyone who doesn't think that when you buy a d-nail product, they won't have a new version out very soon is simply not familiar with d-nail's R&D. They always have something new in the pipeline, that is a positive IMHO. If I was able to pre-order the beta press, I would have been disappointed insofar as better presses arrived sooner (but not at the time that the pre-orders opened) than these beta presses shipped.

However, I would recognize that this is unfortunately bad luck. No vendor is obliged to provide you with a better product or refund just because the test product that you pre-ordered arrived after better options became available. Changing your mind does not entitle you to a refund in any society that I know of. The small presses and large presses from what I have read function as we could observe in the Bubbleman videos long, long ago. We knew that these beta presses weren't providing absolutely revolutionary performance when we saw these videos (in fact this early version seems to be only somewhat better than a standard flat iron IMO) and many of us discussed this here.

I fail to see what was underhanded in this process! Sure there were delays, but reasons were given and an effort to compensate this was made at the initiative of the manufacturer.

Again, before everyone comes in screaming 'shill', I will clarify as I have before that I have no financial interest in D-nail whatsoever and have never personally profited from the sales of D-nail products.

Yeah I agree that people shouldn't be so mad. I don't think they remember it is a beta.

The press works. There is no doubt about that. It seems to work best with hash. Someone on the reddit link said they got 50% from hash and only 10% from bud at 270F. So it definitely works, just not nearly as well as what others have developed here at a quicker rate with local hardware parts. Like everyone knows, the dnail press is only worse mainly because it can't produce the pressures needed for lower temp squishing. The heaters are nice though, even though you'd never need to go that high

I missed the FedEx guy by 40 minutes

I'll get it tomorrow and try to do a review tomorrow or Saturday night.

 

[herbivore21]

Agreed brother, man I'm surprised at how quickly stoners can lose their tempers lol