PLENTY Vaporizer

[Socks And Sandals]

Wow a lot has happened since I left for a while! Hows everyone doing? My EVO is in the shop again so this week I'll be dusting off this fine piece of hardware and enjoying it yet again!

Has anyone heard anything about a possible smaller herb chamber?

Looks like a got some pages to catch up on in this thread!

 

[DWS90]

Thinking about stepping into to world of plugins and thinking about picking up this badboy! I can see from countless post that performance is unquestionable and I can believe that from using the crafty/mighty.
I was just wondering whilst the plenty is heating what is the smell like in the room? Really strong herby smell and if so how long would you say it lingers for?
I've noticed with my pax it tends to stick around for ages whereas the mighty/ is no where near as bad, is it comparable?

 

[cloudsosmoke]

yeah mine happily automatically reheats when clamped ..i think they must all be the same
..got mine direct from s&b germany only 5 wks ago and you said yours is old ..
i remember you asked someone to hang from finger to check if it was same ..cant remember what they replied - maybe they misunderstood .. cant really see why theyd have two diff handles



i was wondering about bowl temp during draw after
your earlier thermocouple post (..spellcheck offers me thermonuclear)
can i ask - does it cool back down (fairly quickly) between each draw?

..thinking that would make a bigger load spread over multiple sessions more viable as it wouldnt cook ..or is that what you were saying when you said it isnt an oven

EDIT wtf - does this post look as bad as i think it does??

 

[ChooChooCharlie]

Made a bonehead move.
When I did more testing today, realized my error.

I said "it isn't an oven" during warmup. True. But my pic was WAY off.
Must have toggled the C/F/K button and had 133C showing instead of 272F.
So stupid. Very embarrassed.

@cloudsosmoke - Did these runs this morning because of your question above.
No, it doesn't cool quickly enough between draws to avoid loss.
Some users here and on other sites suggest removing chamber during a break.
I prefer to put in what I intend to finish.

I don't save up ABV either. Risk of going over weight limits in your state is up to you.

@DWS90 - Don't think odor with the vape itself is any issue.
But my silicone tubing stinks.

 

[cloudsosmoke]

@ChooChooCharlie
not to worry ..thanks for finding out for me



.. seeing as ive got new plenty im thinking about stuff ive yet to do - exploring
low temps high temps large loads small loads and anything else i can think of



atm ive got 1.25 inch steel screens from ebay

it fits into top part of bowl but is too big to go past about half way down .. where it starts to narrow

this means i can use it as raised floor for herb chamber (giving more convection i guess)



also can use another 1.25 screen (bent around a ball) for top screen
- as seen on crafty and this thread -

..its pretty big and it bulges down to the full depth of chamber ..it touches bottom screen and bends it slightly when closed so with small load herb doesnt move around ..no liquid pad

 

[highlymedicated]

I got the plenty coming in the mail and i been in the forums getting tips ....is it a herb hog?People in here have directed me to the e nano i can understand it is more efficient but i want something that gets me baked

The Plenty can use as little as 0.1g with the liquid pad and that is good for one person. A typical bowl for people is 0.3g and even then it isn't much. The Enano might use less to begin with, however it requires constant repacking. You get what you pay for, and on top of being just as efficient as any other vape, the Plenty is on par with the Volcano.

 

[ChooChooCharlie]

@Edstnt Thanks for the beautiful 14mm adapter.
Condensate loss? We don't need no stinkin' condensate loss.
While drawing the rather warm vapor, was thinking of titles for this mod.
"Hell hath no fury like a cooling coil scorned."
Or maybe, "Lipstick on a pig."

 

[ChooChooCharlie]

Oh, no! A double post by that chachachewy guy.

Update on the short wood 14mm adapter/mouthpiece mod shown above:
Hot vapor sucks, and sucking hot vapor blows. And I'm a wuss.
That's the update.

Back to the cooling coil for me, as you can see on p.163 of "Bump this thread if you're VAPED now"

 

[cloudsosmoke]

im still mastering the cooling coil/whip technique

long long long slow draws (compared to crafty) .. i found i also have to take several emptying breaths before i start each toke





i store plenty in a re purposed diagonal half of a square manhole cover that i found discarded at side of road - theyre both triangular - i just wire brushed it and spray painted it silver

its not flat on its underside ..so luckily theres a space for the cable - theres even thumb holes for easy carrying - plenty fits and it tilts just right for sitting on desk next to laptop with top half of bent silicon straw (swapped with mouthpiece) easily accessed by moving head a few inches
,,its nice and heavy so no cable pull

ive grown fond of my chunk of waste metal (and its s&b passenger)


first reuse then repurpose then recycle

 

[ChooChooCharlie]

ive grown fond of my chunk of waste metal (and its s&b passenger)
first reuse then repurpose then recycle

This interjection is overused on your side of the pond, but I can't resist: Brilliant!

Sounds like you have correct table height so just turn head, and your lips grab soft silicone straw.
Would be a good setup for someone with limited dexterity. Don't have to hold anything, not even a bag.
Except for the friggin' auto shutoff. Grrr. I know...safety

I enjoy the long and cool lung filling inhales. I got hooked. Miss them when out with Crafty.
But try to replicate them by slowing down on Crafty -- inhaling rather than sucking, if that makes sense.
Can get over ten second slow draw before red light stops me. (self-imposed vape traffic rule in my deluded attempt to increase the lifespan of this, my third Crafty)
But it's not the same. The Plenty inhales can be as large as I want, easier. It just feels so satisfying.
The vapor density and temp is just right for me. It just flows in, no irritation, harshness, no coughing.
But, everyone's different. Maybe that's why my parents and teachers used to call me "special."

 

[Obveron]

Hey folks, my crafty died recently and I'm looking to replace it with a corded handheld. The plenty seems to fit the bill.

I'm curious about all the comments about the large bowl size, using spacers etc. In my experience with the crafty, I pack the bowl full and hit it for a couple minutes until i'm satisfied. The partly-spent material just sits in the bowl waiting for my next session. Sure, I don't intend on vaping the entire bowl at once, but I've never seen a reason to use a spacer, I just revisit the same bowl many times.
Will that technique not work with the plenty? Why use a spacer?

One more question, I'm not a fan of high-temp vaping. I like the default 180c setting of the Crafty, and do not enjoy the boost of 195c. Will the plenty work consistently at 180c, or do i need to be playing with the on-off switch. I really like the simplicity of the crafty (but the non-replaceable batteries and that it can't heat from charge cord alone are huge flaws).

 

[whateverman]

@Obveron I don't recommend the Plenty at all. It's wasteful and expensive. I would only recommend it in rare occasions (like when a person have literally unlimited amount of material).

Corded Handheld? Check out the Light Saber Vaporizer, or LSV. It has all glass path way, which means it's more flavorful than S&B's products, which are good in their own way, but not the very best in no way.

 

[Obveron]

Can the lsv give me clouds like the crafty? How about the e-nano?
I see in your sig you like the solo, I have lots of friends with the solo and I've always been disappointed by the thin vapour and draw resistance. I recognize it's more efficient and has better flavor, but for me the crafty gives me the big hits and that's what I like.
I'm honestly not into vaping for the flavor. Everyone tells me that if I enjoy the crafty i'd like the plenty.

I'm still perplexed by the need of spacers to conserve material. Like I asked earlier, can you not just pack the bowl full and take a few hits, turn it off, and come back to it later? That's how I handle the crafty with great success.

 

[EVlL 55]

Hello all.
..iv had my plenty 3+ years now..while it's not my main driver,..it never takes a shit in a pinch..its always strong,powerful,solid and very unapologetic about its consumption of the greens.
Alot of vapes' selling points are they're efficiency,..the plentys forte is pretty much the opposite.
..I don't think..and myself included here..people knew what they were getting themselves into w/ the unit.
Its totally unique from the pack...I mean shit,..after using a few of these devices you can pretty much use em all...but the plenty has its own vibe going on that kinda forces you to "vape",.. or your load is a harsh waste and your left blaming the device...Iv done it many times.
+ the build..when I opened my box and felt all that plastic I was concerned of its life span...but after owning an evo now 3 damn times,..and assorted other warranty pains in the ass do overs...iv come to realize this vaporizer will last a lifetime of knock around use,..so it's re-vape value is very high.
I can't stand pussy-footin around a vaporizer..its a peeve of mine..w/ the plenty,..the thought of it actually breaking is a million miles away.
Oh yeah...if you ever so slightly shave the hole under the screen of the upper chamber so that a 14mm M to a 18mm F jointed adapter slides in,..and then sleeve that 14mm joint w/ the silicone from the steel whip..you have a perfectly sealed glass on glass connection..you are then open to use ssv,,or lsv wands or any 18mm male glass wand.
Or use a 14m M to a 18mm M for other jointed applications.
Iv used my plenty this way since day 2...w/ the glass,..besides the taste factor,..you can see whst the hell your taking in also.
I'll post some pics,..but looking thru the thread everyones got the idea.
Later.
.

 

[cloudsosmoke]

@Obveron

i think it was me who mentioned using on/off switch for temp precision in your question thread

long version

.. what i meant was for me crafty keeps it in +/- 3c (~5f) plenty does +/- 6c (~10f)

so crafty temp range 6c (~10f)
plenty temp range 12c (~20f)

i use on/off switch to try to tweak the range of plenty- but i think thats maybe just me being finicky



short version

if you set it on 5 ../7 - youll get 172-184c (342-363f) which sounds like what you want

(i think i over-complicated it lol)




re full bowl/multiple sessions

most ppl seem to not like the idea and prefer to use smaller amount and vape that and refill

but s&b do actually say on p12 of crafty and plenty instructions (..factors influencing vaporization..) that
'filling chamber contents can be used multiple times'

so - if youre already happily using that method - i guess youll be ok




this is only my take and ive only had plenty about 6wks

..so you might want some more experienced opinions

 

[Obveron]

Thanks cloudsosmoke and whateverman.
I'm close to pulling the trigger but conflicting user impressions are making me wary.
From what I can tell, the plenty looks to be the corded crafty I'm looking for.
I love the crafty for simplicity. I don't want to mess with glass or non-secure parts. I dont want to worry about spilling the material or short drops from the couch to floor. The crafty's bowl holds together, you can't spill it. My typical session is in the middle of video gaming and I'm very absent minded about my surroundings. The only thing I dislike about the crafty is the battery.
I'm looking for a corded handheld that has all the qualities of the crafty, but no battery to worry about.
The lsv and enano look like excellent vapes, but I'm honselty not sure about the use of stems, glass, and what not. My experience with the solo was that it's a pain in the butt to deal with and the hits are rather weak.

The only thing holding me back from the plenty are rather convincing claims it's wasteful and inefficient. People really dislike the plenty for this reason. I'm trying to wrap my mind around it. Does the material just vape away in-between hits? Is it less efficient than the crafty? There are claims that you need endless amounts of material. My experience with the crafty is that it's much more efficient than combustion. I take a few big hits, and I stop, and the medicine works. A full bowl lasts me 3 or 4 sessions (of about 4 big hits each) which is good for 0.5 g in my opinion. If the plenty hold 1.0g I'd expect 6 or 7 sessions with the same technique.

I understand this forum is full of flavor connoisseurs and people who want to pack 0.05g of material and get medicated. People who want to mod with water bongs and glass parts and power to them, that's their thing. I don't expect that from my vape. I want no-nonsense simplicity and visible clouds. I want basically a crafty with no batteries.

But tales of needing endless amount of material for the Plenty have me worried, can it really be that inneficient?

 

[nanash1]

Personally, I don't get why people claim that the Plenty's ineffective. From my experience it's just as effective as the MFLB, I used before. I always load the chamber with the amount of material I want to use in the session, which is usually just a small pinch that doesn't even cover whole screen. Then I put the liquid pad on top and heat up to about 5 on the dial and take a few hits. At the end I crank up the dial to 7 (max setting) and finish the load off. Granted I don't get huge clouds this way, probably because of the Plenty's good air flow, but I get high and that's what counts for me.

In a way I think the vape community is bit like the audiophile community. There are a lot myths around like that an all glass vapor path makes the vapor magically taste better. I bet unless cheap improper polymers are used, no one can tell a difference in a blind test. I think it's similar with the efficiency of vapes: All properly engineered convection vapes perform most probably very similar in terms of efficiency. When the material is heated up evenly to the right temperature, eventually nearly all of the THC will be released. I just don't see how some vaporizers should perform so much better than others, there simply is no good technical explanation other than bad uneven airflow and a too low temperature.

 

[whateverman]

@Obveron now that you tell us furthur about your habits of consumption, it does seem like the Plenty would be a unit well suited for a user such as yourself.

Go for it.

Edit: @nanash1 here's an in vitro research comparing the extraction effectiveness of different vaporizers - the volcano, the plenty, the arizer solo and the da vinci.
The arizer solo was the best in that department.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0147286

 

[nanash1]

Thanks for linking that paper, it was a very good read. I didn't think that condensation would lead to such a significant loss of vapor potency. So basically when you want cooler vapor, you will loose potency. Though one could argue that you can regain the lost THC by doing an iso wash.

Still I think with the paper in mind, you can't really claim the Plenty is that inefficient. I doesn't perform that much worse than the Arizer and all the 'lost' THC can be extracted from the cooling unit.

 

[cloudsosmoke]

@ChooChooCharlie

its my first whip vape and i guess i havent practiced enough - my technique is still a bit ..er..unwieldy

eg.. im finding it not so easy to judge how much is going in after ive filled vapor path - sometimes i dont realize and get a huge massive surprise cloud (..and maybe a huge massive surprise coughing fit as well lol)

i guess im just gonna have to practice harder
..oh well



btw
id be wary of acetone (nail polish remover)
is like kryptonite for orange filling chamber housing
luckily i knew it melts some plastics so i only touched the tip of a spare one to test it

i have now seen what embrittlement of plastic looks like

.. it was a bit traumatic ..watching (expensive) s&b just fall apart

 

[ChooChooCharlie]

@ChooChooCharlie
i guess im just gonna have to practice harder..oh well

All that practice is a bitch, eh?

@ChooChooCharlie
... sometimes i dont realize and get a huge massive surprise cloud

Those clouds are a cross that us Plenty owners must bear. Be strong.

@ChooChooCharlie
btw id be wary of acetone (nail polish remover)
is like kryptonite for orange filling chamber housing
luckily i knew it melts some plastics so i only touched the tip of a spare one to test it

I've been known to play dress-up with my Plenty, but never tried painting its nails.
Did the effects of the acetone look like this?

Spoiler

 

[Pjake]

My plenty has been boxed up for almost a year. Reading this thread makes me wanna dust the old gal off. I'm afraid of what the huge clouds are gonna do to me.

 

[cloudsosmoke]

its all part of the daily grind

 

[loug]

I'd like to replace the cooling coil with a DBV-style whip - anybody know the size tubing I need? I tried searching this forum but lost patience after 50+ posts...

Thanks, folks.

 

[smatchimo55]

I'd like to replace the cooling coil with a DBV-style whip - anybody know the size tubing I need? I tried searching this forum but lost patience after 50+ posts...

Thanks, folks.

this was only a few posts up from you lol.

"Oh yeah...if you ever so slightly shave the hole under the screen of the upper chamber so that a 14mm M to a 18mm F jointed adapter slides in,..and then sleeve that 14mm joint w/ the silicone from the steel whip..you have a perfectly sealed glass on glass connection..you are then open to use ssv,,or lsv wands or any 18mm male glass wand.
Or use a 14m M to a 18mm M for other jointed applications."


I just put an arizer solo on order. I just turned 30 and after 15 years of lung torture, I feel I owe it to myself. I almost got a plenty, but it sounds like it puts out almost too much vapor for me even though I smoke way too much (snapping any fully packed bowl in a bong) I just thought that since I am trying to SAVE my lungs, I shouldn't get the powerhouse vapor-producer for my first one. SO given that I save about 100 bucks, I figured I'd give the solo a shot.

Since this is by no means a new product and can see many happy customers over many years, I have no doubt I will enjoy the device. I would make sure to come back and let you know of my 1st experience with it, but I think the thread can do without ANOTHER positive review lol.