Discontinued Pax 2

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MisterUtopia

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Mine is raised also so I don't think that's your problem.

If you pull too hard, you'll get wispy vapour. You've already owned a Pax so you probably know how hard to pull, but I'll mention it anyway.
Maybe I'm just adjusting to the new oven size, I remember having similar thoughts when I got my first Pax. Thanks for the response man, been browsing these forums for a while but never made an account. I already feel better talking to you guys. I'll just keep at it, see if it works itself out :)
 
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ar89x

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I picked up a P2 yesterday and so far it's been a good experience. My first bowl gave me some trouble because I wouldn't get dense enough clouds even at the highest temperatures but after packing a few more bowls and playing around with it I've been able to achieve dense clouds, at least only for the first 2 or 3 drags. This is my first vape so naturally it's all a learning experience but this thread has helped out a lot. Thanks to everyone who shared their reviews.

I think I will be using the trick where you remove the screen and place it back in a tilted position so that the airflow through the oven pipe is more effective. I know I shouldn't be too worried about seeing clouds but being used to combustion, you can understand why I want to see them haha. I'm sure I will get used to being satisfied with less dense clouds and lower temperatures, but for now I will continue using the highest available temp.

The only real complaint I have, which I see I'm not the only one with it, is the raised mouthpiece overheating to uncomfortable levels. This was kinda my only "let-down" I guess, as I think if the mouthpiece was a little bit longer upwards, the heat wouldn't feel so bad. I'm not sure why this wasn't tested but I'm hoping that the good helpful folks like @scott_dunlap and @Ojan_at_PAX take notes of this and release an accessory to fix this issue.

Besides that, I am pretty satisfied with my purchase and quite excited to begin life free of combustion!
 

Eleaf420

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Two days in and lots of testing. I concur with most here who believe the Pax 2 is a massive improvement from its predecessor. My goodness, this Pax packs a punch.
Is the sandwich pack supposed to go on the bottom of the oven before you fill it, or in place of a screen on top?
The sandwich pack has two screens. One for the bottom and one to put on top of a smaller load to help heat the top of the load.

https://www.newvape.com/2731-pax-2-oven-insert/
 
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microduck

elementary vaporist
I picked up a P2 yesterday and so far it's been a good experience. My first bowl gave me some trouble because I wouldn't get dense enough clouds even at the highest temperatures but after packing a few more bowls and playing around with it I've been able to achieve dense clouds, at least only for the first 2 or 3 drags. This is my first vape so naturally it's all a learning experience but this thread has helped out a lot. Thanks to everyone who shared their reviews.

I think I will be using the trick where you remove the screen and place it back in a tilted position so that the airflow through the oven pipe is more effective. I know I shouldn't be too worried about seeing clouds but being used to combustion, you can understand why I want to see them haha. I'm sure I will get used to being satisfied with less dense clouds and lower temperatures, but for now I will continue using the highest available temp.

The only real complaint I have, which I see I'm not the only one with it, is the raised mouthpiece overheating to uncomfortable levels. This was kinda my only "let-down" I guess, as I think if the mouthpiece was a little bit longer upwards, the heat wouldn't feel so bad. I'm not sure why this wasn't tested but I'm hoping that the good helpful folks like @scott_dunlap and @Ojan_at_PAX take notes of this and release an accessory to fix this issue.

Besides that, I am pretty satisfied with my purchase and quite excited to begin life free of combustion!
how is the taste?
 
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ar89x

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how is the taste?

It's pretty good. I mean I'm new to the vape world so I wouldn't have enough experience to compare the taste to any other vape but it is an enjoyable taste plus it feels smooth and I don't mind the 'burnt' taste you get at the end of a session. I just wish that cloud density would remain consistent since sometimes I get better hits than others but I'm sure I'll eventually figure it out.
 

Custom Flower Hardware

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I got my pax 2 a couple days ago and have ran about 3 bowls through it, a couple lightly packed bowls and then a completely packed bowl all from my Santa cruz shredder. I have owned a original pax and currently own an Air, mighty, solo... I like to take big long pulls that fill my lunch and my issue with the pax 2 is the vape clouds and vape density has been very poor compared to anything I have owned. Now I'm pretty sure it's a user error in just looking for alittle help or input
pack it down tightly and the clouds appear! ;)
 

Chill Dude

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It's pretty good. I mean I'm new to the vape world so I wouldn't have enough experience to compare the taste to any other vape but it is an enjoyable taste plus it feels smooth and I don't mind the 'burnt' taste you get at the end of a session. I just wish that cloud density would remain consistent since sometimes I get better hits than others but I'm sure I'll eventually figure it out.

Congrats on your decision to Fuck Combustion! With the Pax 2(as well as most portable vapes) a slow steady draw will produce the biggest clouds. I usually start on level 3 for the first few hits to enjoy the flavor then go up to level 4 for full extraction and Huge clouds. Try a long slow 15 to 20 second draw on level 4 and you'll be blowing amazing clouds.
 
IMHO The PAX 1 was susceptible to getting gummed up quite quickly and because of the sensitivity of
the mouthpiece mechanism this was not good. I clean very carefully but i still have finally after 2 + years (9/5/12) got the temp light issue.

In order to help make it less difficult to clean I found that once I turned it off I still kept drawing air through the Pax much harder than I was sipping it in order to clear the vapor out of that very little area that it wants to condense in. I also got the last little bit of goodness.
But even though I have had little build up just by using the iso and the clearing near the temp light button I sprung the issue. Using the glycol propolene to hopefully not have this happen again.

It seems like the PAX2 does not have that major irritating issue plus it is cooler. The fact that you can get vapor out of something that does not even look like you could inhale from. The finish is also cool.

I still draw hard to try to get all the vapor out of the path with the PAX2. But this is so easy to clean comparatively so far. You just don't have to be so careful with the iso.
 
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Steve S.

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Had a second night with the P2. Shared it with a friend. Packed the oven and we easily got 10 hits each. Got heavily medicated. No burning throat; no burnt taste. Went from level 2-3. So I came up with an idea. Because the P2 is so easy to clean (if done right you can do it in 2 minutes); I'm going to treat the P2 like a gun. If I use it, I clean it. Could be at the end of the night or the next day. It'll be pristine which should maximize its capability and taste. After two cleanings, I noticed that there are no burnt marks in the oven. I think they eliminated all hotspots. This thing rocks; it's just fabulous.
 

zor

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Better set of sessions last night, still not experiencing a distinguishable improvement in flavor longevity (i.e. it degrades just as quickly as my original pax) but while it's there it tastes absolutely fantastic. Also no considerable improvements with vapor production but the effects are top notch and I'm loving the design of the unit; the smaller footprint, the better controls, and the flat mouthpiece are all really great changes.

Do none of you guys experience the unit producing strong odors while heating up a freshly loaded oven for the first time? I have a sensitive nose but it seems like I can smell the herb cooking 5-7 feet away, I fear discretion and stealth will suffer from this.

It's gonna be 60 degrees and sunny this weekend, I can't wait to take this guy on an expedition across the city :)
 

Dexter 1980

We Make It Turn
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Do none of you guys experience the unit producing strong odors while heating up a freshly loaded oven for the first time? I have a sensitive nose but it seems like I can smell the herb cooking 5-7 feet away, I fear discretion and stealth will suffer from this.

I notice the odor, espically on a freshly loaded oven. Little bit of vapor escape from the oven as well.

To eliminate the odor I decided to draw from the unit non stop until the smell went away :) Worked like a charm.... and tasted great!!
 
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Mr. Me2

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trying to decide between the pax 2 and firefly.
Tough call. I have the ff and it's my go-to now. But I use it at home and usually solo. I had a pax 1 and found it wasteful (even with a small load and screen insert). I also was not a fan of the maintenance.

Having said that, I sold my pax 1 and am getting a pax 2 (as soon as my local store has all the colors so I can compare). From what I've read, it sounds like it is not as wasteful as the pax 1 and less maintenance.

If you need something stealthy for on the go, get the pax 2. But nothing beats the flavor from the ff. Having said all that, I'm also really craving a grasshopper but I just can't wait... We'll see if others agree with me.

I'll add some ff comments and experiences. I had issues with my 1st 2 ff's. Went through warranty and got replacements. Also you will need at least 1 extra battery and I strongly recommend the external charger. I had battery issues too (also went through warranty). Firefly customer service is outstanding. I recommend that you buy direct. They can help with warranty claims a little differently if you buy direct.
 

Dexter 1980

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If you need something stealthy for on the go, get the pax 2. But nothing beats the flavor from the ff.

I completely agree with the ff flavor, but the P2 gives the ff a race to the finish line. Being a ff and P1 daily user, I always went to the ff for the quality materials.

With the P2 in the picture I would say the flavor quality of the P2 is worth the top shelf materials, from start to finish.
 

willieR

Been here since 2009
My only goal was for a strong pocket vape. That means batteries, and battery tech sucks. Convection is great with 110V, but for batts, the MFLB failed, IMHO, and the FF threads told me the same thing. Small incremental improvements to the MFLB and FF performance didn't interest me at all.

My P1 was a game-changer with great power and battery life, but I personally didn't like the continued oven cooking. I want a lot of portable vapor when I want it. The P2 seems like a good blend of "convection-like" immediacy without too much oven cooking. A good balance for me.

When I want to lounge and vape premium, I reach for a 110V of power from a vape like Volcano or SSV.
 
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mitchgo61

I go where the thrills are
I completely agree with the ff flavor, but the P2 gives the ff a race to the finish line. Being a ff and P1 daily user, I always went to the ff for the quality materials.

With the P2 in the picture I would say the flavor quality of the P2 is worth the top shelf materials, from start to finish.

Personal taste, and all, but the P2 cannot touch the FF for flavor. They are not even in the same country, thanks to the difference between conduction and convection, which is huge.

OK on to my second day with the Pax2. I got somewhat more inconsistent results than my first day. My first load I used about .18gs, finely ground. I did ok with it, not great...I couldn't get decent vapor below 3 petals. For my second session I used a larger amount, about .25 or slightly more grams. Again, very finely ground, and packed about as densely as I could manage.

Much better results. I got excellent vapor on one petal, about five moderate hits, and at least that many on the second petal after that. I did find the taste degraded slightly more noticeably on the back half than when I used less herb, but it was worth the tradeoff. I probably pulled more than 30 hits from it. However, even after failing to extract any more from it after many hits on petal 4, the ABV still looks like it'll give up another several large hits in my Nano (haven't tried it yet, but it looks dark, but not very dark, brown). I also had inconsistent battery life on day two...on day one, two long sessions only used half the battery. On day two it used all but one petal. Maybe not a huge difference, but worth noting.

My intermediate conclusions...for me, anyway, the Pax 2 works better the more you pack in, and the more finely you grind. (I'm not having any clogging issues with a fine grind, but I'm cleaning it after two sessions.) Also, like a lot of conduction vapes, waiting 30 seconds between hits (or longer, but you have to touch the mouthpiece to keep it from going into standby) helps, as it allows the oven to cook a little bit and generate vapor before you suck it out of there.

Also despite a reported high temp of 430 or higher, it doesn't extract any more than the FF which theoretically tops at 400. I haven't quite figured this out yet...the INH05 has much more heat and power for a portable and still doesn't quite hit combustion temps. I am coming to the experiential conclusion that the effective high temp of the Pax 2 isn't all that much above 400, based on its incomplete extraction. (This is just a guess based on results, not a categorical statement of Pax temps.)

Overall a nice portable, fantastically stealthy, beautiful form factor, some coolness. Very very well made. But still a conduction vape, with all or most of what that implies, and unfortunately somewhat less power than a portable like the INH. (If the Pax could pack the power of the INH in the Pax form factor, it would rule the world! :nod:)

I'm giving it a test run tonight at a concert, which for me will be the real test of an "out of the house" vape.
 
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Mr. Me2

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My only goal was for a strong pocket vape. That means batteries, and battery tech sucks. Convection is great with 110V, but for batts, the MFLB failed, IMHO, and the FF threads told me the same thing. Small incremental improvements to the MFLB and FF performance didn't interest me at all.

My P1 was a game-changer with great power and battery life, but I personally didn't like the continued oven cooking. I want a lot of portable vapor when I want it. The P2 seems like a good blend of "convection-like" immediacy without too much oven cooking. A good balance for me.

When I want to lounge and vape premium, I reach for a 110V of power from a vape like Volcano or SSV.
Sounds like you would love the grasshopper...when it's released
 
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jambandphan03

in flavor country
yeah both my Pax1 and Pax2 made odor as it got to temp, I started learning to identify when the oven was about to go to a green light based on the burst of terpines in the air... I usually keep it close by, so I smell the oven come to temp. I don't mind personally, if I need to be stealthier than the Pax, I use an oil pen which puts out almost no smell if used descretely and modestly. All my herb vapes smell, haven't found a portable yet that doesent release some odors in heating/use. Not trying to say they don't exist mind you, just that I have yet to have one in my hands that didn't leave a smell behind during or after use. Herbs have a lot of fragrent terpines and those are hard to contain in fresh and toasting situaions. At least vapor smell is a lot less obvious or offensive to most noses.
 
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