Discontinued Pax 2
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Glad I'm helping.
I don't like ranking beyond choosing my regulars, but there are obviously ones that I like more than others. The Pax 2 won't replace my LB as my regular carry, but unlike most of the others I think I will choose to take it out with me fairly often. All of my current devices are portables, and the Pax 2 ranks near the top right now.
For me, it is better than the Ascent. Usual disclaimers apply.
Vaporcussion
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I tried that- the problem then is that you have only a quick buzz to tell you when you are at temp, and if you miss it, you have no way of knowing where you are! I can't live blindly with just a buzz. I know "look at your phone!" Anyway, another reason why I'm going to get the Pax 2
adam_baumm
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Hi, was wondering in your limited experience (its darn new)can this achieve dense hard hitting clouds, or even close?
That depends on what you consider dense hard-hitting clouds. It can't match the Sublimator, it's a portable with limited airflow. In my opinion, it can match anything in its class.
adam_baumm
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Cool, thanks for feedback. I am pleased with my mighty as a home unit. I grind my dry flower finely and tamp it with a partial oil pad on top and vape at 205 to 210 c. Think it can come anywhere near that dense? If so I am down for this as my portable.
I'm sure that if you put that mix in a Pax 2 then the vapour will be pretty thick. I'm not in a position to judge it against your Mighty.
To get an idea of a unit's vapour production, I like to hit it through my Orbiter. I can see the vapour and the Orbiter is restricted so I get a constant flow. This isn't a way to get the thickest vapour, but it gives me a reasonably standard hit. At four petals (210°C/410°F) the Pax 2 produces fairly dense vapour in the Orbiter, so I wanted to see how it would do on my WP-010, which is free flow. I used a slightly larger than normal load, .09 g, and for extra cloud production I packed it down. I heated the P2 to four petals.
The volume of the WP-010 with water in is ~300 ml. I think that isn't much compared to some of the glass I've seen on FC but my WP-010 looks to me to have more volume than the ever-popular D-020. At any rate, when I hit it I filled both my lungs and the WP-010 with pretty dense vapour in about 3-4 seconds. Please keep in mind that I'm not much of a lungbuster guy. I rarely try big hits, but again I had to sacrifice myself for the sake of everyone without a Pax 2. I'm sure an experienced big-hitter could have gone on well past that and the P2 would still produce. Judging from the colour of the ABV after that one hit, I think the cloud people could cash out an oven in 3-4 hits at most.
One other thing I want to mention is the battery indicator. I don't think it's linear, which is common for Li-ion battery level displays. My impression is that it drops from four petals to three fairly quickly. It takes a while to get down to two petals and then it hangs on there forever. The only time I reached one petal I put it on the charger so I don't know how long it would last there. For me, the battery life is great, and most of my use is on/2-3 hits/off, which is least efficient for battery life. @BuzzDanklin, I'd like your opinion on this.
jambandphan03
in flavor country
thanks for the great info pakalolo 
I remember hooking my pax1 up to glass, and getting rich thick hits on the highest temp setting... don't see why that would be much different with pax2, so your description seems on par to what I'd expect. Have you been using the pax2 w/glass at the regular settings, or do you switch it into partymode first?
I remember hooking my pax1 up to glass, and getting rich thick hits on the highest temp setting... don't see why that would be much different with pax2, so your description seems on par to what I'd expect. Have you been using the pax2 w/glass at the regular settings, or do you switch it into partymode first?
thanks for the great info pakalolo
I don't do it much at all, just to test things that people are curious about. Because of that, most of the time when I'm putting it through a bubbler I set it to high. I've tried it at the lowest setting but I think the vapour is too thin for anyone who likes using glass. I haven't used the middle settings much but if you're after conditioning and not clouds, I think either setting would be fine.
There is the whole lip-sensing thing getting in the way. As I've said, a proper Pax 2 WPA would have to let you easily reset the shutdown timer. Party mode doesn't defeat that. Besides, for some reason I'm not good at getting it into party mode. I know how but I have to do it three or four times before it switches. I think I roll it too fast or too slow or both. I guess actually I don't know how.
jambandphan03
in flavor country
If by "shutdown timer" you mean when it goes into idle mode from not being moved around, I had that issue with the pax1 when on glass, I just had to tap the pax every few seconds to give it a wilggle and stop the idle mode from taking over.
So are you saying partymode does not stop the oven from cooling down when you don't hit it? Maybe I misread something there...
So are you saying partymode does not stop the oven from cooling down when you don't hit it? Maybe I misread something there...
No. Actually, it just occurred to me that I don't know whether the oven cools down in party mode. I assumed it didn't but I haven't actually asked or tried to test that. Perhaps @scott_dunlap or @Ojan_at_PAX has that answer. Anyway, unless it senses lips (thinks you're hitting it) the shutdown timer cuts in at three minutes after it reaches temperature and turns it off. This happens regardless of the mode it's in. That's why I said earlier you'd have to kiss it.
It's a safety/load preservation feature, and a good one I think. It just complicates using the P2 with glass.
jambandphan03
in flavor country
Thanks pak, if we can't get the answers we need about glass use, I will be more than happy to fill in that blank once I have mine. You know I will put it through the paces... 
BuzzDanklin
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I don't want to jump in with an opinion on this yet because I truthfully have not been paying close enough attention to battery life. I noticed the battery lasts longer overall the one time I ran it until it died, but I was not watching the indicator on the way down for a consistent drop. Since then I have been keeping it topped off most of the time, since the new charger is so slick/easy.
Going forward I will be watching this, thanks for the heads up @pakalolo and hopefully I can get back to you with my findings soon
I understand completely. Reporting on battery life is the part I hate most because usage habits make it difficult, not to mention forgetting to keep track of what you used.
The PAX 2 does cool down in Party Mode, but does so later and more slowly than the normal mode. In normal mode, it starts cooling ~20 seconds after the lip is no longer sensed, and steps down the heat over a period of 60 seconds. In Party Mode, it's more like 30 seconds to kick in, and stepping down the heat over 90 seconds.
Vapinghole
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Madcap79
Jack of all trades, master of none.
I totally agree with this. I have not tried the Pax 2 but the Solo and the Air both have similar flavor profiles to the Pax 1. If you roast it once (2-3 hits), even on the lowest setting, and come back to it later, it has an ABV taste already.
Kief
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Why not use a finger? I doubt that the sensor can detect a difference between your lips and your finger. You could try a WPA (silicone tubing) with just enough cut out for a finger touch on the tapered mouthpiece. I could be wrong, but it's worth a try.
nopartofme
Over the falls, in a barrel
I'm thinking the same thing, presuming that the sensor is capacitative like a smartphone touchscreen? That is, it requires contact with something electrically conductive like skin. (@scott_dunlap? @Ojan_at_PAX?)
If that is the case, these guys are selling pre-orders for electrically conductive 3D printing material with an estimated shipping date in April. It is made from a material called NatureWorks 4043D, which looks to be safe at temperatures up to 446ºF.
This material would allow you to print an iPhone stylus, for example. Or maybe a Pax 2 WPA? Just brainstorming here…
@Ratchett?
I agree, but I just did a test and it raises some doubt. I heated it up and then whenever it dropped into standby, I touched the top rim with my finger. It still timed out. I'm thinking the contact must need to be longer than just a touch, because I can't see how capacitance alone can tell the difference. Either it takes a long touch or something else is needed, such as airflow.
Lol, who says I'm not working on a solution already for the Pax 2 WPAI'm thinking the same thing, presuming that the sensor is capacitative like a smartphone touchscreen? That is, it requires contact with something electrically conductive like skin. (@scott_dunlap? @Ojan_at_PAX?)
If that is the case, these guys are selling pre-orders for electrically conductive 3D printing material with an estimated shipping date in April. It is made from a material called NatureWorks 4043D, which looks to be safe at temperatures up to 446ºF.
This material would allow you to print an iPhone stylus, for example. Or maybe a Pax 2 WPA? Just brainstorming here…
@Ratchett?
While the protopasta conductive PLA does look interesting (and by no means the first conductive filament on the market). It would certainly not be food-safe and nontoxic. I would never risk the health or safey of my customers for the sake of making a sale!
jambandphan03
in flavor country
I was going to suggest trying the finger approach, but thought many of us would likely just cover the top of the pax with silicone tube or similar, anyway, so the sensor area would be covered by the tubing. An insert style adapter would make the finger fix make more sense. We also have a 3d printer here and I might do some experimenting later on down the road., with safe materials of course 
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