Discontinued Pax 2

[mestizo]

@scott_dunlap and @Ojan_at_PAX , I know this is not the Pax 1 forum, but I have asked this question before and no one can give me a straight answer, and now that the Pax 2 is about to be released it applies to it too.
If the warranty is for 10 years, I know the battery is not covered, is there a program in place to have them replaced for a fee?

 

[Vapor Loop]

If the warranty is for 10 years, I know the battery is not covered, is there a program in place to have them replaced for a fee?

I asked pretty much the same thing today, I'm pretty sure i read they did with the origonal but it didn't say a price.

 

[Vitolo]

The folks at Pax have been thoughtful enough to join us as a resource in providing of vaporizers for our Paying it Forward program!
Our own @@pakalolo helped in discussing program with a representative of Pax.
As you may know we serve Cardholding Patients that are chronically or terminally ill and have no income, or fit into low income criteria.
They are going to get us a Pax for a few of these patients.
I was floored that such good will can show up as it has!

Local patients with no money.....
are being given an opportunity that is extraordinary
Using this tool designed for elite vaporization and stealth.

As we march on to a second Vaporizer bearing the name Pax, let us remember that the makers were conscious of the therapeutic implications in the fight to help individuals with chronic illness manage a more comfortable and thereby more productive lifestyle.
Thanks Pax makers!

 

[Vapinghole]

Hear, hear! Thanks, Vitolo.

Thank you, Pax people!

 

[Ojan_at_PAX]

That's a good question. I'll see if /u/Ojan_at_PAX knows the answer to using with the old charger.

Yes you can! I'm waiting on confirmation with regard to the PAX 1 car charger, but you can definitely use the PAX 1 wall charger to recharge PAX 2. Now, can you use both USB and AC at the same time? I'd like to know myself and you'll be damn sure I'll be the first to test it out once I get my hands on one

@scott_dunlap and @Ojan_at_PAX , I know this is not the Pax 1 forum, but I have asked this question before and no one can give me a straight answer, and now that the Pax 2 is about to be released it applies to it too.
If the warranty is for 10 years, I know the battery is not covered, is there a program in place to have them replaced for a fee?

Although I don't have any specifics on PAX 2, we do have a battery replacement program for PAX 1. Reach out to us via email, live chat, social media, or here, and we'll do some troubleshooting. If a warranty inspection sounds like the best way to go about things then we'll pay for you to send your PAX 1 to us for a closer look (unless you're in Canada, where we'll ask you to foot the bill but throw in a pack of screens upon return).

Myself, or one of our other techs, will do our thing and try to pinpoint an issue and attempt a repair. If it turns out that your PAX 1 is functioning as expected but the battery life has naturally degraded to a point where you're not thrilled about then we can authorize the purchase of a new PAX 1 at 50% off.

Fun fact: no one has needed to take advantage of this program since PAX 1 has been on the market. These batteries are meant to last for a long time. Our warranty is there to help, and never hinder, so we look for every opportunity to resolve cases under it and not ask a consumer to pay anything.

 

[mestizo]

Although I don't have any specifics on PAX 2, we do have a battery replacement program for PAX 1. Reach out to us via email, live chat, social media, or here, and we'll do some troubleshooting. If a warranty inspection sounds like the best way to go about things then we'll pay for you to send your PAX 1 to us for a closer look (unless you're in Canada, where we'll ask you to foot the bill but throw in a pack of screens upon return).

Myself, or one of our other techs, will do our thing and try to pinpoint an issue and attempt a repair. If it turns out that your PAX 1 is functioning as expected but the battery life has naturally degraded to a point where you're not thrilled about then we can authorize the purchase of a new PAX 1 at 50% off.

Fun fact: no one has needed to take advantage of this program since PAX 1 has been on the market. These batteries are meant to last for a long time. Our warranty is there to help, and never hinder, so we look for every opportunity to resolve cases under it and not ask a consumer to pay anything.

Wow, better answer than I expected.
Thanks @Ojan_at_PAX

 

[Edwardo]

Hey,
Will the Pax2 be making its way to Europe?

Thanks
Ed

 

[p1ssbucket]

I Apologize to you pakalolo. I misunderstood and thought multiple people in the thread owned one. I eagerly await more reviews

 

[pakalolo]

I Apologize to you pakalolo. I misunderstood and thought multiple people in the thread owned one. I eagerly await more reviews

No apologies necessary. @BuzzDanklin has one and he's shown up here now, but you won't see many others until it's released on April 2.

 

[BuzzDanklin]

How are people feeling about flavor with this unit? Does it fix what a lot of pax 1's problems? Could be very interested if it does not still require cleaning or a plastic vape path.

So far it seems to not only taste better than the Pax1, but it also holds onto good flavor for longer. It is still not as good as a convection unit like the Firefly, but so far I think it is the best flavored conduction portable I have. (followed by the Alfa)

So far cleaning seems to be night and day better than the Pax1, it's looking to be one of the easiest to clean vapes with an internal vapor path so far (I have only vaped a little over a half dozen bowls, so I this is mostly speculation)

The mouthpiece is no longer plastic, it is now some sort of silicone (you put your upper lip on the silicone top, and your lower lip on the stainless steel side of the pax)

I Apologize to you pakalolo. I misunderstood and thought multiple people in the thread owned one. I eagerly await more reviews

Here is my initial review: http://www.vaporizerwizard.com/pax-2-vaporizer-review/

 

[hodor]

Is this convection or conduction?

 

[Mr.tuffyino-h-i-o]

Is this convection or conduction?

conduction

 

[Chill Dude]

So far it seems to not only taste better than the Pax1, but it also holds onto good flavor for longer. It is still not as good as a convection unit like the Firefly, but so far I think it is the best flavored conduction portable I have. (followed by the Alfa)

So far cleaning seems to be night and day better than the Pax1, it's looking to be one of the easiest to clean vapes with an internal vapor path so far (I have only vaped a little over a half dozen bowls, so I this is mostly speculation)
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Good to know the taste and ease of cleaning is much improved from Pax 1

So the Pax 2 appears to heat up faster and is easier to clean than the Crafty, but does it hit as hard as the Crafty? Also how would you compare the harshness of vapor between the Pax 2 and the Crafty?

 

[BuzzDanklin]

Good to know the taste and ease of cleaning is much improved from Pax 1

So the Pax 2 appears to heat up faster and is easier to clean than the Crafty, but does it hit as hard as the Crafty? Also how would you compare the harshness of vapor between the Pax 2 and the Crafty?

Crafty seems to hit a bit harder, and the vapor is a bit cooler/smoother/tastier

 

[pakalolo]

Good to know the taste and ease of cleaning is much improved from Pax 1

I've only cleaned the Pax 2 once, after about five loads. The oven had started to get that golden resin look. I soaked the screen in ISO and then rubbed it with some Magic Eraser, which restored it to looking new. I used a Q-tip dipped in ISO to clean the oven, but I didn't try really hard to get it back to brand new condition. Like the original Pax, it's not easy to get into the bend where the walls meet the bottom, so I didn't try to get it completely clean. Since you just push a pipe-cleaner with a little ISO on it through the tube, cleaning that part was trivial. There was almost no material under the screen, just a few fine specks. I couldn't see any trace of particles in the tube or on the mouthpieces. In fact, I saw no reason to do anything at all to the MPs. The whole process took five minutes at most.

 

[Bandoo]

So far it seems to not only taste better than the Pax1, but it also holds onto good flavor for longer. It is still not as good as a convection unit like the Firefly, but so far I think it is the best flavored conduction portable I have. (followed by the Alfa)

So far cleaning seems to be night and day better than the Pax1, it's looking to be one of the easiest to clean vapes with an internal vapor path so far (I have only vaped a little over a half dozen bowls, so I this is mostly speculation)

The mouthpiece is no longer plastic, it is now some sort of silicone (you put your upper lip on the silicone top, and your lower lip on the stainless steel side of the pax)




Here is my initial review: http://www.vaporizerwizard.com/pax-2-vaporizer-review/

Nice review.
What do you thaink makes it taste better than the Pax1 though?
It looks like a smaller version of the 1 with some design tweaks.
If it has the same type of oven and airpath, what would make it taste way better and make it have bigger clouds than the 1?
Anyway I always turn it off after a few hits and continue to draw for a few seconds which cools off the load. Never had any problem with the mouthpiece either since I only used the white food grade grease instead of the p.e.g. stuff and only pushed it down over the side with the vapor path.
I guess you had to be slightly technical to keep it performing well.
Still it's nice that they make a smaller model for stealth purposes.
I am just pondering the claim that it tastes different and makes bigger clouds than the model 1. If it does, great!
The only thing I can think of is the deeper oven?
Maybe one of the Pax reps would help answer this one?

 

[BuzzDanklin]

Nice review.
What do you thaink makes it taste better than the Pax1 though?
It looks like a smaller version of the 1 with some design tweaks.
If it has the same type of oven and airpath, what would make it taste way better and make it have bigger clouds than the 1?
Anyway I always turn it off after a few hits and continue to draw for a few seconds which cools off the load. Never had any problem with the mouthpiece either since I only used the white food grade grease instead of the p.e.g. stuff and only pushed it down over the side with the vapor path.
I guess you had to be slightly technical to keep it performing well.
Still it's nice that they make a smaller model for stealth purposes.
I am just pondering the claim that it tastes different and makes bigger clouds than the model 1. If it does, great!
The only thing I can think of is the deeper oven?
Maybe one of the Pax reps would help answer this one?

I am not fully sure what makes it taste better, but I have a few speculations. First the bowl is deeper so it's supposed to have a larger surface area of heated walls touching the herb. The second idea, and I assume where most of the improvement is coming from is their lip sensing technology, and difference in measuring the heat/temp. Here is a quote I was relayed from the CMO:

"“We redesigned the PAX 2 to have both the lip-sensing, and a new heating algorithm that adjusts temperature dynamically based on how you use it. We also focused the temp algorithm on the materials themselves, rather than the oven temp, to make sure the draw was consistent from first to last.”"

Lastly, it also has a 4th temperature setting, which I definitely think goes warmer than the old max temp on the Pax1. (They have not listed temps yet, but I speculate its at least 420f.)

Since they have not listed the temperatures on the Pax2, I attempted to measure the temps with my infrared thermometer:

In the end, I had problems. I used the generic stainless steel emissivity of .59, which is probably not correct. I also had a hard time finding a consistent spot to measure the heat. Measuring the bottom of the oven was inconsistent (I left the screen in, which was probably a mistake) I ended up measuring the side of the oven, directly in the middle.

These are the results I ended up with:

Temp 1 - 210F
Temp 2 - 245F
Temp 3 - 280F
Temp 4 - 315F

Now this is clearly wrong, but the interesting part was they all came out EXACTLY 35F apart from each other. So at least it was precise, even if it wasn't accurate.

If you add 110F too each number, that would be my guess as to the actual temps.

 

[Shit Snacks]

I am not fully sure what makes it taste better, but I have a few speculations. First the bowl is deeper so it's supposed to have a larger surface area of heated walls touching the herb. The second idea, and I assume where most of the improvement is coming from is their lip sensing technology, and difference in measuring the heat/temp. Here is a quote I was relayed from the CMO:

"“We redesigned the PAX 2 to have both the lip-sensing, and a new heating algorithm that adjusts temperature dynamically based on how you use it. We also focused the temp algorithm on the materials themselves, rather than the oven temp, to make sure the draw was consistent from first to last.”"

Lastly, it also has a 4th temperature setting, which I definitely think goes warmer than the old max temp on the Pax1. (They have not listed temps yet, but I speculate its at least 420f.)

Since they have not listed the temperatures on the Pax2, I attempted to measure the temps with my infrared thermometer:

In the end, I had problems. I used the generic stainless steel emissivity of .59, which is probably not correct. I also had a hard time finding a consistent spot to measure the heat. Measuring the bottom of the oven was inconsistent (I left the screen in, which was probably a mistake) I ended up measuring the side of the oven, directly in the middle.

These are the results I ended up with:

Temp 1 - 210F
Temp 2 - 245F
Temp 3 - 280F
Temp 4 - 315F

Now this is clearly wrong, but the interesting part was they all came out EXACTLY 35F apart from each other. So at least it was precise, even if it wasn't accurate.

If you add 110F too each number, that would be my guess as to the actual temps.

@pakalolo listed the temps earlier as like 370f, 383f, 394f, 410f or something. They said its still 370-410f range like old Pax, but 4 temps.

Flavor improvements seem to be direct result of the more efficient oven size/shape, and likely even moreso the lip sensing and new temp/heat algorithms, so its not constantly cooking high temp like the original. They have better measurement of load temp they said.

They made session conduction behave like on demand vapor, is the biggest enhancement of the Pax2 in my opinion

 

[KeroZen]

Yet in the Herbstick Deluxe there is also a deep metal hoven, similar throttle-back mechanism (although not so instantaneous), what appears to be a stable active temperature control (set point and sensor temps are displayed in real-time and you can see the sensor fluctuations), but the taste isn't that great at all.

Even if the temp control loop wasn't that precise in Pax 1 and if the sensor wasn't reflecting the load temp, the temperature would be off by a few degrees at most. I don't think these improvements can affect the taste that much (unless if Pax 1 had no active control, but their representatives didn't answer my previous question about that). The only reason I can see for now would be the throttle-back, provided it's really aggressive (ie. if it kicks in right after you remove your lips)

Still there's no active cooling when you are not drawing, the heat has to dissipate and the load must be cooking for several extra seconds if not more, possibly up to one minute. I know by experience that the temperature decay varies a lot between my different portables once the heater is powered off: in the HD the decay is fast whereas in the FM8 and Ascent there's a thermal inertia and the decay is slower.

Whatever the reason it's intriguing... and nice at the same time, because as I said this (= taste) was my major complaint about Pax 1.

 

[BuzzDanklin]

@Shit Snacks I missed the temps he posted! Thanks for pointing that out. When I talked with Pax last, they said they weren't ready to release the temps, but @pakalolo has us covered

I am surprised it stops at 410f, I was definitely thinking it went up to 420 or 425

 

[Shit Snacks]

Yet in the Herbstick Deluxe there is also a deep metal hoven, similar throttle-back mechanism (although not so instantaneous), what appears to be a stable active temperature control (set point and sensor temps are displayed in real-time and you can see the sensor fluctuations), but the taste isn't that great at all.

Even if the temp control loop wasn't that precise in Pax 1 and if the sensor wasn't reflecting the load temp, the temperature would be off by a few degrees at most. I don't think these improvements can affect the taste that much (unless if Pax 1 had no active control, but their representatives didn't answer my previous question about that). The only reason I can see for now would be the throttle-back, provided it's really aggressive (ie. if it kicks in right after you remove your lips)

Still there's no active cooling when you are not drawing, the heat has to dissipate and the load must be cooking for several extra seconds if not more, possibly up to one minute. I know by experience that the temperature decay varies a lot between my different portables once the heater is powered off: in the HD the decay is fast whereas in the FM8 and Ascent there's a thermal inertia and the decay is slower.

Whatever the reason it's intriguing... and nice at the same time, because as I said this (= taste) was my major complaint about Pax 1.

After everything pak and Pax reps have said about the technology, I dont even feel comfortable comparing this to the Herbstick Deluxe anymore. That idle tech is so basic (and mostly useless I've found, caused more trouble than good for me), it just lowers temp if it wasn't moving for a minute. A minute is a long time, and annoyingly I'd be drawing on it for more than a minute and it would vibrate and cool down bc I didn't move its angle lol. Also Herbstick oven is deep, but a wide square, not a narrower rectangle, I'm sure it holds more than Pax2. No way you could use .07g like pak in the Pax in the HD without a spacer, very basic cheap design in the HD in my opinion. Its just a cheaply put together Chinese thing, with basic smart features. Nothing very impressive at all

 

[mitchgo61]

Yet in the Herbstick Deluxe there is also a deep metal hoven, similar throttle-back mechanism (although not so instantaneous), what appears to be a stable active temperature control (set point and sensor temps are displayed in real-time and you can see the sensor fluctuations), but the taste isn't that great at all.

Even if the temp control loop wasn't that precise in Pax 1 and if the sensor wasn't reflecting the load temp, the temperature would be off by a few degrees at most. I don't think these improvements can affect the taste that much (unless if Pax 1 had no active control, but their representatives didn't answer my previous question about that). The only reason I can see for now would be the throttle-back, provided it's really aggressive (ie. if it kicks in right after you remove your lips)

Whatever the reason it's intriguing... and nice at the same time, because as I said this (= taste) was my major complaint about Pax 1.

Interesting. I had assumed pretty much the oppposite, as Snacks said...that the flavor improvement was in large part attributable to the active temp control. IME conduction vapes can taste lousy for two reasons...temps that run too high too quickly, and the passive cooking that ensures your weed is losing taste literally every second you aren't hitting it. (Or, I think of it this way...how can the taste not be demonstrably better if there's any active reduction in passive cooking? i.e....it's all uphill from basic conduction.....)

Evs, as the wife says. It sounds like they fixed the three biggest problems, improved the flavor, and enhanced the form factor. And maybe have even moved into a space we can think of as mitigated conduction.

 

[Bandoo]

Yet in the Herbstick Deluxe there is also a deep metal hoven, similar throttle-back mechanism (although not so instantaneous), what appears to be a stable active temperature control (set point and sensor temps are displayed in real-time and you can see the sensor fluctuations), but the taste isn't that great at all.

Even if the temp control loop wasn't that precise in Pax 1 and if the sensor wasn't reflecting the load temp, the temperature would be off by a few degrees at most. I don't think these improvements can affect the taste that much (unless if Pax 1 had no active control, but their representatives didn't answer my previous question about that). The only reason I can see for now would be the throttle-back, provided it's really aggressive (ie. if it kicks in right after you remove your lips)

Still there's no active cooling when you are not drawing, the heat has to dissipate and the load must be cooking for several extra seconds if not more, possibly up to one minute. I know by experience that the temperature decay varies a lot between my different portables once the heater is powered off: in the HD the decay is fast whereas in the FM8 and Ascent there's a thermal inertia and the decay is slower.

Whatever the reason it's intriguing... and nice at the same time, because as I said this (= taste) was my major complaint about Pax 1.

But wouldn't you the the same effect and taste if you shut the 1 off in between hits and drawing on it for a few extra seconds to clear the vapor and cool it down? I use it like that.

 

[pakalolo]

@pakalolo listed the temps earlier as like 370f, 383f, 394f, 410f or something. They said its still 370-410f range like old Pax, but 4 temps.

To be clear, the temperatures I listed were guesstimates based on the fact I'd been told that the low and high end temperatures haven't changed.

 

[Shit Snacks]

But wouldn't you the the same effect and taste if you shut the 1 off in between hits and drawing on it for a few extra seconds to clear the vapor and cool it down? I use it like that.

Not with that manual aspect of it, especially with longer heat up times to get the herb to temp, but obv youre being more efficient than just letting it sit. Plus the oven in the pax1 is just not as efficiently designed regardless of smart tech, too vast