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Frederick McGuire
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I got a bunch (like ~100) of Standard SSV sized screens back when I got my SSV ~4 years ago, and I've been finding uses for those screens ever since (and I've still got enough to last me a lifetimeI just noticed last night that I'm missing my 18mm Claisen, guess I need to buy another one!
I honestly tried to get a screen into an M2M but failed miserably lol, I'll have to give it another shot, how deep are you installing the screen?
)I have no idea of the actual size, I'd guess something like 3/4 or 7/8 inch, but
I could definitely measure them for ya if you'd like to know the exact size I'm using.
I get a nice little dome, and there's zero chance of the screen flipping or spinning around or anything, it lets less debris through than the stock WPA IME
The screen doesn't seem to actually sit on anything?
It sits just like the old school SSV Ground Glass Wands before they added the lip to hold their screens better...
It can certainly be a pain to get them to seat sometimes, if they get a bit too mangled I usually pull them out and flatten them out before trying again, sometimes they just need to be junked and switched out for a new screen, but I've had the same screen come in and out of a M2M a decent number of times - it's just a bit of a crap shoot how well they'll hold up...
I don't even remove my screen anymore, just ISO wash the wpa with screen still installed followed by a few hot water blasts will get my M2M spotless and my screen good as new
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I find the EQ basket is too small for me to use - I can't stir effectively with it, and still find stirring necessary
I could never get particularly satisfactory results with an ELB - I just assumed it was either
1 - my male joints didn't fit up as snugly as a cloud joint, and it ruined the airflow pattern or something
2 - The elb was reversed when compared to it's designed use in a cloud/EVO, so maybe that was affecting the airflow pattern?
Whatever it was, mounting a screen like I have pictured above is the only way I've had good results with an M2M...
I'm getting a heady carbed M2M made by @VaPeD&CoNfUsEd
Can't wait to have a JoDa M2M
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lwien
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I wonder why we have such different experiences with the need to stir with the Q basket? If I had to stir with the Q basket, I'd be pulling what's left of my hair out but I don't find a need to stir at all. The ABV comes out a very uniform very dark brown.
On the other hand, I always had to stir with the WPA but even with the stirring, I still got an uneven "burn".
I wonder if it can be draw rates along with grind and pack consistency. I use a medium grind and a medium draw rate and medium pack.
Frederick McGuire
Aggressively Loungey
Honestly, I only gave it 2 or 3 chances before I just bailed back to my screen method - it could quite possibly just be a heat/draw speed issue?
Either way I've found my screen setup that I like, so I don't see much point experimenting
scottg402
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This is exactly how I feel. I am using the male/male with the ELB and am 100% satisfied.Either way I've found my screenw setup that I like, so I don't see much point experimenting
I do agree with @lwien that it is interesting that folks seem to be having a different experience with these set up's. I guess this just highlights the fact that there is no perfect vape for everyone considering we cannot even agree on the "best" way to use it.
yes i use it exactly in the same manner. my screens are 15mm diameter, thats about 2/3 inches. my experience with the eq basket is also the same,had to stirr and thats not very easy in this narrow space. plus ime they gunk up very fast and abv does not just fall out, i always had to use the pick to empty them.I got a bunch (like ~100) of Standard SSV sized screens back when I got my SSV ~4 years ago, and I've been finding uses for those screens ever since (and I've still got enough to last me a lifetime
I have no idea of the actual size, I'd guess something like 3/4 or 7/8 inch, but
I could definitely measure them for ya if you'd like to know the exact size I'm using.
I get a nice little dome, and there's zero chance of the screen flipping or spinning around or anything, it lets less debris through than the stock WPA IME
The screen doesn't seem to actually sit on anything?
It sits just like the old school SSV Ground Glass Wands before they added the lip to hold their screens better...
It can certainly be a pain to get them to seat sometimes, if they get a bit too mangled I usually pull them out and flatten them out before trying again, sometimes they just need to be junked and switched out for a new screen, but I've had the same screen come in and out of a M2M a decent number of times - it's just a bit of a crap shoot how well they'll hold up...
I don't even remove my screen anymore, just ISO wash the wpa with screen still installed followed by a few hot water blasts will get my M2M spotless and my screen good as new
EDIT:
I find the EQ basket is too small for me to use - I can't stir effectively with it, and still find stirring necessary
I could never get particularly satisfactory results with an ELB - I just assumed it was either
1 - my male joints didn't fit up as snugly as a cloud joint, and it ruined the airflow pattern or something
2 - The elb was reversed when compared to it's designed use in a cloud/EVO, so maybe that was affecting the airflow pattern?
Whatever it was, mounting a screen like I have pictured above is the only way I've had good results with an M2M...
I'm getting a heady carbed M2M made by @VaPeD&CoNfUsEd
Can't wait to have a JoDa M2M
whereas with the fitted screen in the m2m everything just falls out,nice room for stirring (and bigger loads). cleaning is easy and fast, i just let hot water from tap blow through from both sides and its good again.
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Just some guy13
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You SOBS!! (In all seriousness I appreciate all the info here) I was completely convinced I was going to order the Plenty, then I came to FC. After the many valid points raised I can't help but wonder if my money would be better spent elsewhere. I was under the impression that the big bowl in the Plenty wasn't a big issue with the use of the liquid pad (many on FC strongly disagree) after watching the Vape Critics review. I am now back to square one and feel the LSV might be the vape for me. I simply couldn't ignore the value and efficieny (relative to the Plenty). I'm also considering the DBV and SSV. As far as priorities go I would say vapor quality (potency more than flavor) would be my too priority followed by efficiency. I realize none of the 7th Floor vapes are as efficient as a log vape, but I enjoy the more social aspect of these vapes relative to a log vape? I've owned a MFLB and a Pax, would you say the LSV is more efficient than the Pax? I also am intrigued by the LSV's ability to easily be adapted to a water pipe as many user state this is their preferred method. I'd appreciate any advice/insight you guys could give me to sway me in one direction. Thanks in advance, I've lurked these forums for a while and learned a lot.
scottg402
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I have both the Plenty and the LSV and for me I would take the LSV any day. Build quality, efficiency (Btw, yes way more efficient than the Pax), and versatility all go to the LSV.
I don't own the DBV or SSV but you can create a similar experience with the LSV by adding a whip kit.
Just my opinion but it's hard to find a better value then the LSV.
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hoptimum
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IMO, the LSV is more versatile and efficient, as well as much cheaper. And it pairs very well with water tools. The DBV and SSV have the same internals, but use a whip. Both are excellent, but direct draw is a tad tastier, I think. Potency will be down to the quality of your flowers more than the device.
Just some guy13
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Just ou of curiosity how many draws would you take during an average session? Do you use the WPA?
Just some guy13
Active Member
Is the vapor quality comparable between the Plenty and LSV?
**how do I merge my posts? I messed up trying to do both responses in one post.
scottg402
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I really don't like answering questions like this as there are so many factors to consider when trying to "measure" vapor quality but I'm just going to keep it short and simply say......yes.
You can't merge posts, only mods can. You should use the edit function if you have more to say after you have already posted.
hoptimum
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That comes down to how you set it up. You can probably fill about 0.20 grams in one of the WPAs quite easily. But if you want to conserve, you can load as little as half of that or even less by using an EQ elbow screen in either the WPA or in an 18mm M2M adapter. (these often come free with a dhgate bubbler). The LSV is one of the most versatile vaporizers around for that reason. Happy vaping
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Imo, the magic of log vapes efficiency is the bowl size.
I can be just as efficient (maybe more) with my LSV while still providing the wide open draw that all 7th floor vapes provide. Or I can go crazy and pack a fat bowl,
.@Just some guy13 Give yourself to the Dark Side. It is the only way you can save your friends.
DorianGray
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my favorite way to use the LSV. The crafty liquid pad brings the flowers closer to the heat source and allows for a fun stir because of the wide access. It's like stirring in a dish.
So got kinda bored at work today, thought I would screw around with an idea I had been toying with.
The proof of concept video below. It works ok once really hot with the standard ssv HC glass. Needs more heat though! @Herb-nerd how about a dual ceramic rod vaporizer, maybe use the second rod to keep the first rod in place?? LSVX2 maybe? I'd buy one..
View My Video
The proof of concept video below. It works ok once really hot with the standard ssv HC glass. Needs more heat though! @Herb-nerd how about a dual ceramic rod vaporizer, maybe use the second rod to keep the first rod in place?? LSVX2 maybe? I'd buy one..
View My Video
my favorite way to use the LSV. The crafty liquid pad brings the flowers closer to the heat source and allows for a fun stir because of the wide access. It's like stirring in a dish.
I'll be trying this later!
Frederick McGuire
Aggressively Loungey
What am I seeing here?
Looks kinda like the herb enail in function with the bud swirling around like that...
@Frederick McGuire It's a LSV Fatty Transfer Wand Adapter that has a custom insert in the front heater side to give the air flow a vortex when pulled hard. No stirring needed.
No stirring but additional heat requirements as you said.@Frederick McGuire It's a LSV Fatty Transfer Wand Adapter that has a custom insert in the front heater side to give the air flow a vortex when pulled hard. No stirring needed.
I'd be interested to see pictures of the piece you are using to create the vortex?
I'm interested in more feedback on the performance. How is the vapor density? Even with the temp turned up, are you able to produce dense vapor (milk), or is it a whispy hit?
I've considered manufacturing my own adapters with the same intention (vortex airflow), mainly to test the idea because I'd never seen it done before.
I've considered manufacturing my own adapters with the same intention (vortex airflow), mainly to test the idea because I'd never seen it done before.
On a slow draw with no vortex and herb close to heater. It vapes good.
Once in a vortex, the heater can't keep up and vapor falls off. The insert blocks any direct IR heat so I have that also working against me... More heat needed!
I have only screwed with it about 20 mins last night so I still need to tinker with it more.
Once in a vortex, the heater can't keep up and vapor falls off. The insert blocks any direct IR heat so I have that also working against me... More heat needed!
I have only screwed with it about 20 mins last night so I still need to tinker with it more.
Interesting, do you notice a dramatically increased drag speed is required to introduce the vortexing action? I wonder if modifying the design would encourage the herbs to vortex at a lower "drag speed"
. I' m never going to get rich and famous this way. Lol.
. Yes, you definately need to pull harder than normal for a vortex. This version uses 4) 1/16th" holes. It is all I have tried so far.
Ah, that's why vapor density is diminished. You're diluting the vapor with fresh unheated air. I'm planning to use fins to redirect the airflow before it hits the herbs