No sir, I am only redirecting air flow from the heat to the load. No new air in the mix. Vapor diminishes due to less IR heat because insert will never glow like the rod and because when in a vortex, the load is much farther away. Maybe @OF could correct me if I am wrong though.
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No sir, I am only redirecting air flow from the heat to the load. No new air in the mix. Vapor diminishes due to less IR heat because insert will never glow like the rod and because when in a vortex, the load is much farther away. Maybe @OF could correct me if I am wrong though.
I didn't think there was much IR heat cooking the herb with the LSV 
The herb is way too far away from the heating element for that much radiation to heat the herb
The herb is way too far away from the heating element for that much radiation to heat the herb
I didn't think there was much IR heat cooking the herb with the LSV
Agreed.
Its more to do with the reduced heat transferred to the load than with any effects of radiative heating.
The vortex helps evenly vape the herbs but also reduces the efficiency of heat transfer.
An inch away with a standard ssv Hc does not seem far to me from something glowing red hot, but I dunno.
Edit: in this config with the ssv hc, the load is exposed to the full side of the glowing rod, not just the tip like the normal LSV config
Edit: in this config with the ssv hc, the load is exposed to the full side of the glowing rod, not just the tip like the normal LSV config
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Depends on the configuration. With my dry wand holding the LSV upright, sure I can tell there's a bit of IR heat going on. Maybe in your setup with the LSV facing up. But in my configuration, the LSV is inverted, the herb is MUCH further away from the heating element. I'm sure there's a way to test by simply leaving your LSV on and not taking a puff. Then seeing how cooked the herb looks
OF
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Sorry guys, I've never even seen a LSV (although based on reputation it's a fine thing indeed). If the topic is 'heating by IR' (which it seems) I too think this is not happening to any useful degree. It's no doubt convection if I understand the vape? Hot stuff heats air up past 'the magic temperature' which is pulled into the load heating it?
For IR to work the source has to be a lot hotter and putting out a lot of IR. And it has to be close. The factors the determine the heat transfer rate are that temperature difference and the distance with correction factors for the absorption/transmission (same factor) of each surface. Dark is better than light color there.
Distance is very important, since that factor shows up as a square of the distance change. Cut it in half, heating doubles. Think about a campfire. The 'comfort zone' is pretty small. Get more than a few feet 'too far away' and it's cold?
Consider a true IR vape, the Delta 9 (now UP Tech) 'Bender'. Here the source is very hot ('glows bright') but more importantly the herb is wrapped very close?
HTH.
OF
Sorry, I edited my post above but.
LSV also uses a glowing ceramic 60w rod at about 1200 degrees f. Glows bright red about an inch away from the load.
Thanks Sir!
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Likes2vape
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I tired of combusting my herb and have been mainly using errl in a rda but I like to smoke all day and the errl can be to much to get the day started. I mainly smoke through a bong.
I'm looking for a vape that heats up fast, waiting 10-20 minutes for it to heat up doesn't appeal to me at all. I also want something easily adapted to a bong and can give me thick milky hits especially since I'm going to be quitting combusting.
I think the lsv is what I'm looking for but would like to hear from some experienced vapors especially if you used the lsv to quit combusting.
I'm looking for a vape that heats up fast, waiting 10-20 minutes for it to heat up doesn't appeal to me at all. I also want something easily adapted to a bong and can give me thick milky hits especially since I'm going to be quitting combusting.
I think the lsv is what I'm looking for but would like to hear from some experienced vapors especially if you used the lsv to quit combusting.
OF
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Like I said, I've never seen one. But at an inch I seriously doubt much useful heat gets to the load that way. How does it work if you increase that a bit? If it's IR that should kill it for sure.
Consider that the load 'subtends' (is in line for) a small fraction of the IR even that close. I'm guessing less than 10%? That means at least 9 times the IR is escaping (is not delivered to the load).
Rather, I think, air is being heated and you're depending on convection for most of the work.
A way to confirm this is modest drop in vapor production as you hit it? That is with IR only production doesn't increase to 'support big clouds' but with convection does. My old box vape has a glowing element fairly close to the load but it's basically convection as evidenced by the sustained production and browning of herb not exposed to the light of the IR source.
Another example is the TV Cera (or T1). The source there is very hot as well, but isolated from direct 'contact' (in the IR sense) and uses the IR to heat the air (for convection) as it passes through the thermal core. Does the LSV darken load 'in the dark' with respect to the glowing source? If so it can't be IR (which heats the first surface it hits).
OF
Yes, the further away, the less vapor.
I agree of course the bulk is convection no doubt with the lsv , but in my experiment, from getting great vapor production with direct line of sight to the load from the rod and then blocking that line of sight without reducing air flow or lowering heat and losing vapor seems like* some IR heat is responable. Good discussion though.
Edit. Maybe its the air ports breaking up the main heat in the center and redirecting it to the exterior?
Thanks again.
I agree of course the bulk is convection no doubt with the lsv , but in my experiment, from getting great vapor production with direct line of sight to the load from the rod and then blocking that line of sight without reducing air flow or lowering heat and losing vapor seems like* some IR heat is responable. Good discussion though.
Edit. Maybe its the air ports breaking up the main heat in the center and redirecting it to the exterior?
Thanks again.
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I think it also depends on the orientation of the vaporizer. Heat rises. If you are using your setup in an upright position, the herb would fall onto the HC screen which is less than half an inch from the heating element (introducing a greater percentage of IR) . I personally never use my LSV in the upright position - even dry I try to keep it horizontal!
I've got a small FLIR, I'll try to get some pictures for ya
Yeah I bleieve he's got a Seek thermal imaging case for his cellphone
I think it also depends on the orientation of the vaporizer. Heat rises. If you are using your setup in an upright position, the herb would fall onto the HC screen which is less than half an inch from the heating element (introducing a greater percentage of IR) . I personally never use my LSV in the upright position - even dry I try to keep it horizontal!
I've got a small FLIR, I'll try to get some pictures for ya
Yes, in the case of the stock LSV heater cover and screen, upright worked best for vortex. But I don't think much IR comes off the tip as much as it does off the side of the rod where it's brightest in the case with the ssv 90 degree elbow heater covers that are screen less. My insert is the screen.
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I should stop by the fire dept and use their flir cam
That would be an interesting conversation
grokit
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To me this is a fluid-bed roasting scenario. The turbulence that is the vortex suspends the material in the heated air, no stirring needed because it is in constant motion. Idk about IR, I thought that needs a bulb.
LSSV 
That's awesome @SSVUN~YAH!
Does anyone know the best email address to contact customer service? I have emailed both customercare@ and customerservice@ aksing for a price on a custom glass dial knob, but have received no response in over 48 hours (seriously guys, I respond to my personal customers in less than 12 hours and I'm a one-man show...... wtf).
@Herb-nerd can you suggest a good email address? I'm trying to send some pictures along with my request so they can get an idea of what I want (sometimes an email chain is better than a voice conversation).
Thanks!
Does anyone know the best email address to contact customer service? I have emailed both customercare@ and customerservice@ aksing for a price on a custom glass dial knob, but have received no response in over 48 hours (seriously guys, I respond to my personal customers in less than 12 hours and I'm a one-man show...... wtf).
@Herb-nerd can you suggest a good email address? I'm trying to send some pictures along with my request so they can get an idea of what I want (sometimes an email chain is better than a voice conversation).
Thanks!
So tonight I tried to load some shatter and just set the LSV up there for a while to see how the IR heat melted the load without pulling any air and I have to admit, I think @OF , @Herb-nerd and @Ratchett were all right imo. Much to my surprise, nothing really melted until I started pulling air/heat across the load.
Science!
Science!
Science!
As @OF stated, the energy required for IR heat to vape herbs is quite substantial. Way more than what's required for a traditional Conduction or Convection vaporizer.That's why I'm very interested in the PocketPot vaporizer. I believe it's a halogen bulb powered IR vaporizer running off a LiOn battery?
Likes2vape
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I've got LSV ordered up. I can't wait for it to get here. I have the wpa coming as well. Thanks @stickstones Now I just have to break it to the wife. 
New glass this week and a new vape next week might put me in the dog house!!
New glass this week and a new vape next week might put me in the dog house!!