Discontinued Inhalater INH05/5S/6

[Country-Mac]

It doesn't have to be this complicated. Simply moving the ridge back will fix the problem.

Instead all the posts seem defensive in an attempt to shift blame to the users. And going back to edit them to make them look better doesn't change that.

 

[Inhalater]

There is absolutely no need to remove the capsule when burning hot. Never was never will.

O5 units are running commercial use in the lounge. Back to back recharging with extra goey shisha tobaccos is the norm. There are absolutely no problem.

Very light heating 3 seconds from cold will soften resin if unit is not properly maintained clean.

 

[OMEiAM]

There is absolutely no need to remove the capsule when burning hot. Never was never will.

O5 units are running commercial use in the lounge. Back to back recharging with extra goey shisha tobaccos is the norm. There are absolutely no problem.

Very light heating 3 seconds from cold will soften resin if unit is not properly maintained clean.

Please only address the melting plastic on units since that is what people are most concerned with, not the capsules being too hot after a 400F+ degrees session.

 

[Crohnie]

Please keep in mind that people at Pharmacor work tirelessly to bring you the best possible technology within the bounds of reality. Test the unit for yourself and appraise the quality of vapours.

Please avoid empty and/or ugly statements on this thread. Feel confortable to go elsewhere if you cannot contribute to a positive and constructive atmosphere. Many thanks

Regarding the very simple rules of operation for Inhalater units

Be intelligent

There is no use or justification to manipulate a burning hot capsule.

Be respecfull

Avoid risk of burning yourself or others
Treat your Inhalater as you would any expensive and valuable device.

In effect this has never been considered a problem because in our testing it hasn't been

We will explicit in the manual

" to avoid any risk of injury and/or damaging unit. Mandatory minimum cool down time before manipulation of the capsule is 120 seconds"

And yes we will help out any that could need because of this ommission in the manual.

I have been following the Inhalater thread now for almost 2 years waiting for Pharmacor to present a unit that is relatively trouble free. IMO, they have failed to do so after several attempts and judging from the posts I've read, quite a few FC members find the customer service less than stellar. All that I could forgive, but this post by the company is IMHO, condescending and full of excuses to the point where I give up.

 

[Inhalater]

There is no melting plastic povided you use your unit in a way that is safe for you, others and in accordance with prescription of the manufacturer of the device to not manipulate a burning hot capsule

 

[Crohnie]

There is no melting plastic povided you use your unit in a way that is safe for you, others and in accordance with prescription of the manufacturer of the device to not manipulate a burning hot capsule

And did you include that warning with the manual?

 

[Inhalater]

Not clearly enough. This is the real flaw and it will be corrected in no time at all

Thank you for understanding :-)

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

There is absolutely no need to remove the capsule when burning hot. Never was never will.

O5 units are running commercial use in the lounge. Back to back recharging with extra goey shisha tobaccos is the norm. There are absolutely no problem.

Very light heating 3 seconds from cold will soften resin if unit is not properly maintained clean.

What if I want to remove the capsule to put a new one in right away? How long would I have to wait to ensure no melting onto the capsule from max temperature?

Why did you think it was okay to use plastic that would melt onto the capsules at above level 8?

Temperature over 8 on the dial is over melting point of outer plastics. Internal tolerancing assures that there is no risk of damaging the unit or of emitting plastic fumes providing simple rule is respected. Pharmacor vouches on this.

I don't want to speculate so I'm asking you directly.

 

[Crohnie]

Hmmm...

 

[Country-Mac]

What was that a video to? It has been taken down.

 

[llamaman001]

Video doesent work...Im just not understanding why they would change the top part with plastic that is capable of melting when they had it perfect with no melting issues on the XP?

Maybe its the different build material they are using? We can only speculate more and more until we get some real answers.

Im also curious about users that are purchasing this vape without being a member here and gaining the knowledge that you are NOT to remove the capsule right after a session unless you want melted plastic on your capsule. Will everyone that purchased be getting an email with this warning because I can see this being a problem for a few.

 

[JCat]

I just read the last few pages ... I held off posting as I had been watching this thread to see if I wanted to get an 05 to add to my vape collection. Unfortunately, this issue of melting plastics is a big turn-off ... with my 04 I would often remove the first capsule after use and immediately put in a second pre-loaded capsule (two back-to-back capsules would make for a good, relatively quick, and intense, session ... often what I need and have time for when travelling and using portable vapes)

Unless there was a temperature sensitive locking mechanism to keep the capsules from being removed while too hot, I don't think the statement by Inhalator is fair that one should use "responsibly" and not take out a hot capsule. With my Solo, EVO, MiniVAP, Ascent (pretty much any vape) the best time to empty the load is immediately after its cached (us experienced vaporists have voiced this many times in many different threads .. keeps things cleaner ...)

Anyways ... disappointed more with the response than anything else ... the response should be to replace the bodies with a higher temp compound (or at least that top part that comes into contact) ... there are many such materials ... anyways ... starting to ramble ... Inhalater ... best of luck but please give this feedback voiced by myself and others some consideration as opposed to trying to "sweep it under the rug" ... this is a very legitimate concern that is not addressed by forcing the user to use the device in a very specific way or it will be damaged ...

 

[Old School]

It doesn't have to be this complicated. Simply moving the ridge back will fix the problem.

Instead all the posts seem defensive in an attempt to shift blame to the users. And going back to edit them to make them look better doesn't change that.

Well its not going to be all that simple.....
1st the rim actually serves a purpose as it is what holds the capsules securely in the chamber... the slight click we feel when inserting a cap is from the slightly larger screen inside the cap pushing just past the ridge or lip of the chamber sleeve..... so logically as it melts and attaches to our caps over time... the caps will begin to fall out during use....this can be extremely frustrating.... trust me
2nd the ridge is apart of the entire sleeve that completely surrounds the heating element.... it is clearly the thinnest portion of the sleeve and it happens to be the mouth or opening to the heat chamber so it will likely be the first place it would melt.....

I too am taken back by their defensive posture..... brings back not so fond memories of the USB....

 

[smokey_da_vape]

I'm not sure if it matters but I'm in Canada and pharmacour (makes the inhalater) is a company out of Quebec and speak primarily French. Maybe some language barriers are to blame for the inadequate answers to our questions. My

 

[Country-Mac]

I'm not sure if it matters but I'm in Canada and pharmacour (makes the inhalater) is a company out of Quebec and speak primarily French. Maybe some language barriers are to blame for the inadequate answers to our questions. My

I don't think the language barrier can be blamed for the tone.

 

[Inhalater]

Great question. Many thanks for this positive thread :-)

120 seconds from max temp is a minimum cool time. Especially with glass capsule that sinks in lots of heat.

The use of these plastics permits finer design of the unit for faster heat up and response time along with better manufacturing capabilities.

We consider it okay to use this plastic because there is no risk if unit is used as prescribed and because this prescription is an extension of common sense that does not limit capabilities of technology.

Aka

It is always a good idea to let capsule cool down before manipulation

 

[Country-Mac]

^ This is how you go at the problem.

I don't agree that it's a solution, but it's a respectful, clear, and informative response.

I still am worried that cooling might not always be fast enough. There is still a real possibility of trace, yet harmful, amounts of plastic to deposit on the capsules over time. I think a more concrete solution may be called for when it could mean inhaling plastic fumes.

And that's not even considering the limitations the cool down imposes on users.

 

[smokey_da_vape]

I've used my inhalater up to 9 and for numerous sessions and take my capsules out and put back in when they're hot. And no issues with any melting plastics, I've actually learned to like the battery life. But the one thing that really grinds my gears is the g d lid falling off all the time!!!!!

 

[biohacker]

I feel the same way now as the Infinity fiasco. Take care fellas, I'm unwatching and seeya in the other threads.

I do hope for future success with this Canadian company, but the product isn't for me. I continue to hope for a grasshopper soon.

 

[Country-Mac]

Sorry to post back to back, but I'm looking at my unit and since I made the mistake of moving a hot capsule, dirty capsules have left plastic on the lining of the heating chamber. I don't think that I can get it off and I'm wondering if once you mess up once, you might have ruined the unit.

I really think this is the best vape yet if those issues can be addressed. I hate to think if we had just known that, I might have not killed mine

 

[Edward Hyde]

I feel like contributing.I will try to just say things as i feel they are.with the xp there was no melting problem for two reason.1st 9 was not 240 i think it was less.the inhalater body feels like pvc plastic and it looks not so sturdy because the xp was made in a cnc and the 05 looks more like its molded in a matrix(sorry if these are not the proper words i hope u understand what i mean).the second factor of melting is the glass capsule which stays hotter for longer after the shut down compared to the polymide capsule which is why it melts the pvc.what the guys from inhalater have to say seems to be that it is safe since you dont inhale it and you are not going to inhale it anyway.to avoid to damage your unit you have to wait some seconds.i usually wait for 30-60 seconds max (not even 160 that inhalater say,i think they say that to be 200% sure about it). Indeed there is a flaw on the design imho and they should try to fix that,we should be able to swap capsules to no more than the same time we turn off the unit and i am pretty sure they are going to try to fix that.

Other that all these the unit works fine.it feels like the coil has changed shape or something.big down seems to be the battery until now...I mean I was charging it for 4 days until today that the light turned off (with some unit in that time but always plugged in) and today i took it off for two sessions and took it back to charging.and after 6 hours the light still has not turned off.I havent tried to empty out the battery to see how many sessions it takes because i feel its not good for the battery.the XP would last 9 sessions working from temperature 5-9 all of them and some of them back to back.If this unit can do like 15 sessions i will say the charging time is ok,cause the xp took about 7 hours to charge.if the new battery cant make at least 13 sessions i prefere to swap back to the old battery and have 9 sessions every 7 ours than 12 sessions every 4 days.


a friend bought an ascent recently and i've tried a pinnacle pro + waitin for my inh05 i was using a solo(which i got to admit i loved) and i can assure you that in terms of quality of vapor (taste,longevity,clouds,high temps,density) the 05 is winning them all with the glass capsule.Its an awesome machine and i wouldnt like to not have it and stay with any of the other portables on the market.on the other hand the people of the company are often treating customers like they are stupid or something and they got really shity customer support in therms of communication but i got to admit that after making me want to kill them in the end they always try to find to make it up.it will be extra capsules,it will be not having to ship back and forth again and again broken units or it will making good deals because they know (and I dont forget it also) that sometime they fuck up.


sorry for the long post i dont feel like offending people or the company i feel its just the way it is and sometimes me myself i feel really dissapointed in them and like with every flaw i want to go and break their office with a hammer because of their shity customer support but i gotta be fair also and say that the product is good and in the end they try to make you happy also and they always thank you (even if you call them names etc)

 

[JCat]

Great question. Many thanks for this positive thread :-)

120 seconds from max temp is a minimum cool time. Especially with glass capsule that sinks in lots of heat.

The use of these plastics permits finer design of the unit for faster heat up and response time along with better manufacturing capabilities.

We consider it okay to use this plastic because there is no risk if unit is used as prescribed and because this prescription is an extension of common sense that does not limit capabilities of technology.

Aka

It is always a good idea to let capsule cool down before manipulation

That's fine if that is your stance on it ... however, due to the fact that it's so easy to get plastic (and I assume then little films of plastic that wouldn't necessarily be noticed as well), I would not want this vaporizer based on this. Inhalater's solution proposes a way of using the device that would be a pain for me to say the least and many people I know. I could only very hesitantly recommend this vaporizer to other people due to this issue ... with severe warnings as to this flaw ... it's really not acceptable in my estimation.

I hope that you can produce another version without this issue than it would be something I would strongly recommend in many cases and would likely add to my vaporizer collection as well.

It's NOT always good for me to let the capsule cool down first ... for instance while travelling ... one goes outside one's hotel for a quick session ... when the session is done I want to remove the capsule and blow the ABV out of it quickly and then cover and put away. I don't want to keep it loaded with ABV when I put it away ... when I want to reload it later in the hotel room I don't want to heat up a load of ABV and stink up the hotel room just to get rid of it when I could have done so in <5 sec. after finishing outside (at least this was the case for me with the 04)

 

[PPN]

Yes the body seems a bit cheaper imo and the melting issues related might comes from this cheap body... but there is a real step forward about convection, the Xp was a main conduction vape(imo), the 05 is a main convection vape, the abv color probes it, it comes out never too much black or dark (even after a session at 8 and 9) and the taste is better too!

The charging time wasnot too long cause I only waited a bit more than 6 hours before the led turn off (my xp take a bit less than 6 hours to a full charge from a dead battery, so...)

I noticed my Xp capsules was a bit too long to fit in the 05, i just need scissors!

The top body of the Xp was nice cause it can fit really nice in a 18mm joint without any adaptater (I used a cyclone bowl to connect it to my WT), it's not possible with the 05 so i use a blue silicone tube provided with my Xp with a spherical glass mp in the other extremity to connect my 05 to a WT)

The T° selector is a bit hard to turn, a bit awkward when you want to choose a set as you are driving but it can't turn on in your pocket!

I was bored about the long wait, but it was the game and now it's forgotten!

 

[Country-Mac]

I don't agree that the inh005 is more convection. When you take the unit to 9 and then remove the camber, the outside is black and the inside may still be a light green. Also, shining a light in the chamber can show the heating elements spiraling up the side of the chamber beneath a layer of polymide. Heating elements on the walls is a clear sign of conduction heating.


EDIT: You're right. Definitely more than the xp.

 

[PPN]

Only more than its big brother!

And I'm agree this melting issue is the bigger improvement they have to do, quickly, I don't want to vape plastic, wait and see...