Farid
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because they didn't know chemistry back then i think
Considering how long it took to explain density in this thread, I don't think they're alone in that respect.
because they didn't know chemistry back then i think
Cellophane/Vacuum/Temple balls/Freezer Drying = just marketing
I tried to find how Cellopane, or vacuum drying, or freezer drying, or temple ball making helps the hash molecules, not harm them. or degrade them. still didn't find ones.Ok, sounds like you found a definitive source backing up your claim that temple balls are “marketing”. Could you share the source, for the sake of peer review?
density is mass/volume. if 50gr dry herb were 400~gr of wet herb, it doesn't mean that the volume was bigger x8 ?Considering how long it took to explain density in this thread, I don't think they're alone in that respect.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This really sounds like you are trying to prove a preconceived conclusion.I tried to find how Cellopane, or vacuum drying, or freezer drying, or temple ball making helps the hash molecules, not harm them. or degrade them. still didn't find ones.
so I ask you again .. if dry hash is just dry herb but with x2 THC/Terpenes .. why it needs some processing ? if i come to your house and start oxidizing your herb, you won't like it, right? you will get mad at me.. so why in hash it's accepted to do these procedures?Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This really sounds like you are trying to prove a preconceived conclusion.
I tried to find how Cellopane, or vacuum drying, or freezer drying, or temple ball making helps the hash molecules, not harm them. or degrade them. still didn't find ones.
because for me, hash is just a stronger dry herb. I don't understand why it needs Cellophane/Vacuum/Temple balls/idk
I mean, I buy hash so I don't know that it would bother me. I also don't really get hung up on THC percentage alone. After all, I dislike distillate and that has much THC as you want. I am almost never looking for the strongest anything.so I ask you again .. if dry hash is just dry herb but with x2 THC/Terpenes .. why it needs some processing ? if i come to your house and start oxidizing your herb, you won't like it, right? you will get mad at me.. so why in hash it's accepted to do these procedures?
bubble hash dried = dry herb , higher concentrations of THCA/Terpenes
why it needs procedures?
leave it as it may....
Do you not know the history of your own field? Chemistry developed from alchemy, which was practiced for millennia in the Chinese, Indian, and Arabic worlds, and first developed in the west in a systemized manner around 1,700 years ago. The idea that our ancestors didn’t understand chemistry is paternalistic bullshit.because they didn't know chemistry back then i think
it's not oxidizing the flower, curing takes place in closed jars, there is very limited amount of air inside of the jar..Curing also oxidizes your flower, but I suspect you are cool with that.
you think back then they knew that oxidizing the material is not a good thing but just to change the taste a bit?Do you not know the history of your own field? Chemistry developed from alchemy, which was practiced for millennia in the Chinese, Indian, and Arabic worlds, and first developed in the west in a systemized manner around 1,700 years ago. The idea that our ancestors didn’t understand chemistry is paternalistic bullshit.
So you can have a different product, such as Piatella.so I ask you again .. if dry hash is just dry herb but with x2 THC/Terpenes .. why it needs some processing ?
So you can have a different product, such as Piatella.so why in hash it's accepted to do these procedures?
So you can have a different product, such as Piatella.why it needs procedures?
So you can have a different product, such as Piatella.@Bologna
because for me, hash is just a stronger dry herb. I don't understand why it needs Cellophane/Vacuum/Temple balls/idk
but Piatella just looks different than top shelf 6 star hash. why it matter if it looks different? you want to vape it, not marrying into it.So you can have a different product, such as Piatella.
the processes won't get the material any better
I understand exactly what is going on through the making of bubble hash. Water molecule are much smaller (smallest diameter of all the molecules participating in this process) than the THCA/Terpenes, so they fall into the net's pores. Some molecules/organic groups of the THCA/Terpenes also fall, not a lot, and that's why the taste of bubble hash is not the same as the original pheno/strain/buds the maker used to create the bubble hash. Plant material is also a bit smaller than THCA/Terpenes, but, because of Covalent bonds, SOME molecules of plant material stay. so it's not "100%" THCA/Terpenes. that's it. after that, you dry the bubble hash for few days with 35%-55% RH and it's ready. no need for Cellophane/Vacuum/Temple ball forming.As has been mentioned, regardless of your degree in chemistry you can probably never fully understand all the chemical processes that lead to the final hash product. Sure we can understand some basic ones that could hurt or harm but we'll never be able to account for all the variables at play here.
Fine, but then I suggest people not to pay too much for Piatella other than 6 stars bubble hash.At the end of the day, the consumer either likes the product or not. It's a subjective opinion. Taste, smell, feeling high. If the consumer perceives that he likes it and finds out the hash was freeze dried (vacuum sealed, cellophane, insert any other "marketing" process here), he may be more apt to find out whether other freeze dried hashes taste good to him. If they do, *maybe* the freeze drying is the dominant variable in play, maybe not.
I understand, but depends what the price is. don't let marketing tricks pay you more.People's tastes are supremely subjective. Wine, coffee, weed, hash, sound systems. They all involve physical processes we'll likely never fully and completely understand above some really rough, macro-level scientific processes. But we "know" what we like when we experience it - and it isn't always the best marketed products that shine.
With all due respect, this is an ignorant and willfully childish attitude to have towards a skilled craft in which you have no experience.I understand exactly what is going on through the making of bubble hash.
some people know how to work, some people know how it works. I am not a worker, but I know everything that is going on in this process because I have mastered in filteration, not in the hash making field, but something else. I know a lot about filteration.With all due respect, this is an ignorant and willfully childish attitude to have towards a skilled craft in which you have no experience.
density is mass/volume. if 50gr dry herb were 400~gr of wet herb, it doesn't mean that the volume was bigger x8 ?
it's not about density.
the mass was x8 , but it doesn't say the volume was x8
it depends how big is your bucketDry bud is like a sponge. Put it in water and it will weigh the same as if fresh bud is put in water. The overall mass of the water/ice/bud in the vessel will be the same.
Even if that wasn't the case, that 350 grams of mass is negligible compared to the thousands of grams of water.
I misspoke. I was specifically thinking of the drying process prior to curing.it's not oxidizing the flower, curing takes place in closed jars, there is very limited amount of air inside of the jar..
I know a lot about filteration.
I learnt a lot from this thread. the fact that some people prefer making bubble hash from fresh frozen and not from dried trim/nugs is a new thing for me. it requires more work (wet material contains 80~% water, dry material contains 10%~ of water) , but it's doable and can be better with some phenos. I don't think I only give information, I also learn.In any case, I think i can't deal with this thread anymore. Reminds me of why I left the BAK thread. I would still ask you to consider that there are things beyond your own assumptions. You've got an idea that has no evidence but your own conclusions and you won't be deterred from it. If you were a student in one of my classes I am afraid I would find it difficult to teach you anything you didn't already know.
I am just researching...Curiously enough, this process isn’t simply a matter of pure filtration. You’re approaching the process through the lens of what you feel you’re an expert in, and therefore not realizing how much you’re really addressing a grossly simplified straw man of a process, rather than the process as it actually exists.
it depends how big is your bucket
if you work with huge bucket, you can insert 700gr of trim maybe?
but if you work with standard bucket, isn't it better to insert 100gr-200gr each time?
what am I missing? it will be a lot more volume/mass to insert 700gr wet trim inside the bucket of 15Liter instead of 100gr of dry trimIt doesn't matter, see my first point. The bud will be water logged regardless. The mass you will spin will be the same. You should never spin dry bud that hasn't had time to become waterlogged because it will create contaminant.