Fiberglass found in Angus Enhanced

[Björn Kikkelsson]

Welp. I have owned my device since early november and been really happy with it. Sucks to find out design flaws like this, had my doubts of Yllvape after the problems with the original Angus but wanted to give them a chance

I wrote an email to the retailer to have it returned. Shouldn't be an issue as they (Verdampftnochmal) made a statement about the problem and will offer refund.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Glad bing admitted earlier today that he informed Mike (CEO of Yllvape) about the discovery of FG in the AE over a year ago. He provided a date and mentioned he has receipts.
I had my suspicions but bing confirming it here helps.

I saw that in the comments on the YouTube video, openly says they knew and told them: "was behind the scenes telling YLL to remove that shitty insulation a year ago" (followed by insulting vulgarities that I presume are what led to posts here being deleted if they were at all similar) so I don't quite get why they made a video claiming "this material is considered extremely safe to use in a controlled manner" afterwards

 

[RustyOldNail]

so I don't quite get why they made a video claiming "this material is considered extremely safe to use in a controlled manner" afterwards

Maybe to receive more “freebies” to review…..

 

[Durbandream]

I love it a lot, which is why I *really* hate that this stuff popped up now.

I got in contact with Verdampftnochmal, and they offered me a free exchange to a fiberglass free variant (dec 2024 batch apparently), but I still don't think I trust YLL anymore.
If they cut corners by doing something as mind bogglingly stupid as shoving fiberglass insulation into a vaporizer, who's to say there aren't any less obvious pitfalls like dangerous plastic? They already fudged on their CE certification by not including the insulation.

A "fiberglass free variant"? Yeah, screw this company. I'd still be suspicious of whatever metal they're using in the replacement, not to mention the plastic and other construction materials. People like this will usually fix whatever got caught and keep cutting corners wherever else they can.

 

[RustyOldNail]

People like this will usually fix whatever got caught and keep cutting corners wherever else they can.

OLD SAYING: “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”!

 

[Wild Botanist]

Not sure if appropriate for this thread since it’s the same topic but different device but the ditanium has what appears be some type of fiberglass like insulation in air path

https://www.reddit.com/r/vaporents/s/qdUXia1Kuu

https://imgur.com/a/GkAMjjV

I’m not the one who opened it btw

Yeah that's my beautiful disassembly. Didn't expect this fibrous substance inside the insulation sleeve of the heater cables.

Would love to know what the hell that is! Not saying it's fiberglass - but I don't like anything that can create mineral-like dust!

 

[dukes00]

A "fiberglass free variant"? Yeah, screw this company. I'd still be suspicious of whatever metal they're using in the replacement, not to mention the plastic and other construction materials. People like this will usually fix whatever got caught and keep cutting corners wherever else they can.

There is no “fiberglass free variant”, the supposedly good units just use different form of insulation (the FG is inside a metal tube), and there’s still some fibers visible outside of that tube and close to the air intake.

 

[Mischa]

What about giving Yllvape the chance in form of time, to correct the mistake or whatever you want to call it?
We've heard nothing about Mike lurking around here. He never intended to poison anyone. He now has to face the task of repairing the device and his reputation.

Which material can withstand temperatures up to 300° Celsius?

 

[dukes00]

What about giving Yllvape the chance in form of time, to correct the mistake or whatever you want to call it?
We've heard nothing about Mike lurking around here. He never intended to poison anyone. He now has to face the task of repairing the device and his reputation.

By mistake you mean selling a device with a potentially dangerous material leaking into the air path for almost a year? And going through a couple iterations, which all contain that material? And deciding to offer replacement (did this happen at all anyway?) AFTER someone calls them out? And then going radio silent when the community response is almost overwhelmingly negative?

I don’t think that this kind of a “mistake” should ever be forgiven. YLL probably didn’t WANT to poison people but due to their negligence they contributed to that risk and did nothing to remedy that themselves.

 

[Alan]

Which material can withstand temperatures up to 300° Celsius?

Multi layers of ss mirror foil w/ air gaps between layers to prevent thermal conduction. The Webb space telescope uses a similar system of insulation. SS mirror foil insulation is also used at nuclear power plants. It is easily removable so the piping can be periodically inspected for cracks. Even a single layer with an air gap can significantly reduce radiant heat transmission.

 

[Mischa]

Alan: Does Mike from Yllvape knows that?

 

[Sour Dream]

Yeah that's my beautiful disassembly. Didn't expect this fibrous substance inside the insulation sleeve of the heater cables.

Would love to know what the hell that is! Not saying it's fiberglass - but I don't like anything that can create mineral-like dust!

Yea it would be nice to know for sure, I’m still salty the ditanium had to have that material in there I really wanted to buy another one.

 

[F1240]

I have an AE. It broke a few weeks back. Got it from rec vapes so they sent a replacement but the replacement came via yll vape. Taken both apart. One has fibre glass (first one) and the replacement has the metal tubing.

I won’t use the supposedly ‘good’ one as I’ve zero faith in yll vape now. Shame as I was looking at the aero lite and I have enjoyed the Angus.

 

[Alan]

Alan: Does Mike from Yllvape knows that?

If he reads this thread, he will.

 

[Chocolatetick]

I was critical of the original Angus and its issues and never figured I'd purchase a Yllvape product, however the AE was a stellar performer at its price point and the halogen heating flavor profile was something I was excited about. I should have known better. I'll never be able to trust Yllvape, especially given their non transparent responses and insisting we trust that the "airpath is isolated." I'd say the burden of proof is on them to show us it's isolated. Until then, it's just lip service and damage control. Show us it's isolated with independent testing. Of course we'll never get that. As others have stated, it took someone breaking an AE down to discover this. A reasonable and prudent manufacturer would have identified the problem and fixed it proactively instead of waiting to be caught and trying to then fix the problem. Our health is priority and I'm not taking chances with a budget Chinese vape company anymore. I purchased my AE through Smoke Shack and am awaiting a response on how they want to handle a refund or credit. I know many retailers are already offering refunds and/or credits and I think it would be a good idea to post how each retailer is handling this so everyone can have a reference point for where they purchased theirs.

 

[Wild Botanist]

Yea it would be nice to know for sure, I’m still salty the ditanium had to have that material in there I really wanted to buy another one.

That said, it's a really old one, probably one of the og ditaniums. Maybe the setup has changed now?

 

[Johnnyboog]

Hello everyone. Wanted to share my experience with the AE so far. I picked it up two months ago, ran into fit and finish issues and promptly got a replacement. I was excited to start using the new device but it quickly turned to frustration when I noticed fumes emerging from an empty oven chamber while on max temperature. I tried getting in touch with Mike from yll a couple of times but I got no response. The site I bought the AE from took the faulty device back, cleaned it and returned it back to me claiming no issues with the device. But when I got it back I noticed it again. After bringing it to their attention, they flat out denied any responsibility despite the device being barely used and under warranty. I live in a country where it’s hard to get dry herb vaporisers so this experience has been especially frustrating to say the least. Anyway I’m not sure if the fumes have anything to do with the fibreglass controversy, but I would suggest everyone crank up their AE to max temperature for a complete heat cycle just to make sure their device isn’t doing something like this (you might want to use a flashlight over the oven chamber and make sure the background is dark for better visibility as the fumes are pretty wispy). Stay safe everyone!

https://imgur.com/a/CzhJS5L

Could it be machine oil from the manufacturing process? You could try putting 90% iso on a q-tip and giving the bowl/screen a wipe.

 

[Shit Snacks]

What about giving Yllvape the chance in form of time, to correct the mistake or whatever you want to call it?
We've heard nothing about Mike lurking around here.

Why would we hear anything about Mike lurking around here? He chose to abandon the forum after the original launch... (also why would they need more time when it's been revealed that they knew about this issue for at least a year??) odd framing

He never intended to poison anyone. He now has to face the task of repairing the device and his reputation.

Alan: Does Mike from Yllvape knows that?

His intention is irrelevant, and I'm not sure why you are acting like he is a one-man show, designing building running everything with this company and its products??

Pretty sure we know nothing about his engineering expertise, pretty sure he has no pot consumption expertise (or even experience) either lol and I would not be surprised if he was just some type of marketing, or financial executive...

 

[Pachena]

I won’t use the supposedly ‘good’ one as I’ve zero faith in yll vape now. Shame as I was looking at the aero lite and I have enjoyed the Angus.

While I had little current interest in the AE for me (and my particular use case), I was quite excited about the Aerolite!

I saw this post from early January that concerned me more than a little:

Aerolite has been delayed due to some issues with production and the heater not being up to par.
[…]
"For the improvements, we are working on:

1. Incorporating a larger heating element for enhanced performance.
2. Improving insulation to ensure better efficiency and user experience."

This post was AFTER the clip posted by on YouTube by BingsBuddery (Dec 23, 2024).

With the AE “issues“ — I’m not saying I wouldn’t get an Aerolite — but l’d say it’s much less likely — especially until I see some TRUSTED tear downs.

The lack of communication/transparency from YLL is concerning. Some vendors have rightfully tried to get ahead of the issue — at their cost, it seams. Good on them!

Sadly, I can’t see any evidence of YLL being part of that damage control.

 

[chillAtGVC]

You are completely right, and I was one who noticed the fake CE labeling
Meaning that CE as marked on angus devices stands for “china export” and not for “conformité européenne”
It’s not a legend at all and it is well known in Europe and the loose fiberglass it’s speaking by itself
The reason why china export is similar is to fool customers

Here the two logos:

I was curious about this. Here is an image of the bottom of my AE with a superimposed red circle, to the best of my limited artistic ability.

To me, that appears to conform to the “conformité européenne” marking. I have no further comment on this, just noting my observation.

 

[RustyOldNail]

I wouldn’t take ANY markings on products from China seriously, and yes I own a lot.
Most safety labels and certifications require a “fee”, and since you really can’t sue these Chinese manufacturers, they don’t care, as it’s easy to print a label, and keep the price down, as we all love cheap shit…

EXAMPLE: If you know anything about lithium batteries, that power most of the electronic devices these days, the published ratings are often OVERINFLATED. And in the case of lithium batteries, it’s a real DANGER. You could suffer a serious injury or FIRE. Yet the Chinese ship this stuff to use daily. Or look at how they love adding LEAD to just about anything, including cheap, knockoff toothpaste, with FAKE labels.

Unfortunately, it’s just getting old, and it’s best to remember, what’s now another,
OLD SAYING: “BUYER BEWARE”…..

 

[UPdownLoAD]

I was curious about this. Here is an image of the bottom of my AE with a superimposed red circle, to the best of my limited artistic ability.

To me, that appears to conform to the “conformité européenne” marking. I have no further comment on this, just noting my observation.

POTV has a different bottom posted on their AE listing (still up), and theirs looks more like the China Export logo:

 

[kokolokokolokon]

@UPdownLoAD that is a render. The one used to show the design to the user at a first time

 

[dukes00]

I won’t use the supposedly ‘good’ one as I’ve zero faith in yll vape now.

There is no good units! The metal tube in your replacement still has fiberglass inside of it.

 

[Radwin Bodnic]

quoting Wikipedia :

Responsibility for CE marking lies with whoever puts the product on the market in the EU, i.e. [...] the importer or distributor of a product made outside the EU.

The manufacturer of a product affixes the CE marking to it but has to take certain obligatory steps before the product can bear CE marking. The manufacturer must carry out a conformity assessment, set up a technical file, and sign a Declaration stipulated by the leading legislation for the product. The documentation has to be made available to authorities on request.

Importers of products have to verify that the manufacturer outside the EU has undertaken the necessary steps and that the documentation is available upon request. Importers should also make sure that contact with the manufacturer can always be established.

1. European retailers have to ensure Yll have gone through the certification process successfully. (Unless Yll have a unique EU importer, in that case it would be its job).

2. There is no European legislation about dry herb vaporizers. So if Yll have been through the CE process, they should have submitted their device according to the 2014/40/EU directive. (It's the closest to DHV to my knowledge). Title III article 20 is about "electronic cigarettes", here is an excerpt :

2. Manufacturers and importers of electronic cigarettes and refill containers shall submit a notification to the competent authorities of the Member States of any such products which they intend to place on the market. [...] A new notification shall be submitted for each substantial modification of the product.

The notification shall, depending on whether the product is an electronic cigarette or a refill container, contain the following information:

(a)

[...]

(b)	a list of all ingredients contained in, and emissions resulting from the use of, the product, by brand name and type, including quantities thereof;

(c)	toxicological data regarding the product's ingredients and emissions, including when heated, referring in particular to their effects on the health of consumers when inhaled and taking into account, inter alia, any addictive effect;

(d)

[...]

(e)	a description of the components of the product; including, where applicable, the opening and refill mechanism of the electronic cigarette or refill containers;

(f)

[...]

(g)	a declaration that the manufacturer and importer bear full responsibility for the quality and safety of the product, when placed on the market and used under normal or reasonably foreseeable conditions.

Of course it should also comply with all other directives regarding battery powered, low voltage electronic devices. This one is just specific to e-cigs.

IMHO there's no way Yll have measured the emissions of their devices, heated or not, and I'm pretty sure the CE marking would have been refused if they had submitted the actual list of components including fiberglass. The retailers should be in possession of these documents so they should know from the beginning that there was fiberglass in it.

Or this CE marking is just a fake one.