E-Nano from Epickai

[satyrday]

Just like you do with any old electric device of similatr nature.

Not many AC devices that you get so up close and personal with like a vape. A lamp - no. A hair dryer - yes somewhat though you're not sucking on it. Good idea to use GFCI with that too (even besides the fact that you're using in the bathroom).

 

[Frickr]

not to mention that these devices are used in an altered state of mind. so common sense isnt always there. accidents do happen. why not protect the best that can be protected against the worst happening? you dont drive down the freeway with your baby out of a car seat just laying in the back seat of your car, even though there is a very good chance nothing will happen, there is that one time when something does happen that the extra protection will protect against lost of life.

the vapes that are being made today all are made by small companies. these companies cannot afford a lawsuit if somone were to become electricuted, also these companies cant afford to pay to send their product to UnderWriters labs, for UL testing. I dont think this is so much an issue with the individual that has calculated the risk based on their usage, but should be looked at my all the manufactuers of ALL vaporizers in general. We already get a negitive stigma from the majority of the population, it would look very bad if there was a death from "an electric device to smoke marijuana" the media would have a field day with this demonizing it. the implications go alot further then just me gripping about a little shock.

 

[Is it tho?]

Having ordered my 420 combo on the 21st April and still not received yet, all this coming to light and the extended wait has really taken the shine off my purchase's, also after the wife read all this about electric shocks she doesn't even want me to have them in the house.

 

[Dafni]

Since someone has already suffered a potentially fatal shock, I strongly disagree.

Now I see what you mean, I missed that post. True point indeed, then.

 

[Rrose Selavy]

sucks to hear all this negative stuff come up. i will defiantly be picking up a gfci power strip. in happier news i love my e-nano so much and have caught log vape fever. already put my name on alans wait list because the more logs the merrier.

cant wait to pick up my very mini beaker to try this baby through water! just ordered the all glass gong from andy. i will have the gong before i pick up the tube which will make the wait even harder. i will try to post some usage pics when i get my glass (before july).

 

[ACE OF VAPE]

i would completely agree with that if it wasnt for the fact that metal parts are in close proximity to the wiring and exposed to touch. if the aluminum base were to be changed to a non-conductive material or an insulating layer added between the aluminum and all the wiring, i would have no issues with this design being ungrounded. but as it stands over time the insulation around the cord (wear point from moving back and forth though may take alot of time and use but accellerated by heat) could crack causing the aluminum plate to potentially become energized. once again while the problem may not be presenting it self as of current, after years of use, this may become an issue.

The aluminum base is anodized which makes the surface of the aluminum base non-conductive.

 

[Is it tho?]

when I finally get my hands on them i'am going to get so battered to ensure I forget how first USPS and now customs are keeping me waiting

 

[ACE OF VAPE]

Since someone has already suffered a potentially fatal shock, I strongly disagree.

Nobody 'suffered a potentially fatal shock' Gvapes saw a spark at the outlet. He did not recieve a shock fatal or otherwise. The plug (like all plugs) are insulated by plastic, so unless he tried to plug the unit into the wall outlet by touching the metal prongs on the plug, to recieve a shock that way would be impossible, and that goes for everything that plugs into a wall socket including a 12v transformer.

 

[toros23]

Nobody 'suffered a potentially fatal shock

Didn't Frickr get shocked??

 

[Enchantre]

The aluminum base is anodized which makes the surface of the aluminum base non-conductive.

So, I asked my hubby about that, and he ran off and grabbed his multimeter... and lo and behold, it is NOT CONDUCTIVE.

My hubby, btw, has an open offer on the table to take any E-Nano that anyone wants to toss due to this fear.

You know what... GFCI outlets are great. If you use a blender, a toaster, a food processor, a curling iron, or a hair dryer, be sure that they are all plugged into a GFCI outlet. My E-Nano just happens to be plugged into one, as it is in the kitchen, and EVERY SINGLE outlet I have in there is GFCI, and has been, since we did our remodel on the house. I have taken it to the livingroom, and plugged it into a standard outlet, and have no worries.

A spark at an outlet when plugging in can indicate a short anywhere at all in the cord (never pull on a cord to unplug, always use the handle part of the plug), a fault in the cord, something might have gotten wet, OR it could also be a fault in the outlet. Based on the feel of the cord, my hubby considers that the weak spot... it may have been a defective cord, with a really weak spot in it. He said he hopes that Andy got that unit back, so finding out what happened can happen. He's kinda betting on the cord.

Maybe the first few times you use a Nano, plug it into a GFCI (try your bathroom outlet) and verify that there is no defective cord issues, then go use it where you like.

 

[Is it tho?]

I'am in the uk and not heard of a GFCI outlet? Don't not sure if we have something similar in the uk although I'd be surprised if all our outlets have some sort of breaker on them, I know when the iron went pop a few weeks ago it threw the trip switch for the downstairs outlets

 

[satyrday]

^^^http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residual-current_device

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_nr...ds=rcd&ie=UTF8&qid=1370807627&rnid=1642204031

 

[Frickr]

anodizing is a very thin coating and is easily bypassed by a simple scratch, so while in perfect condition it will insulate, the anodizing can potentially be damaged and therefor making the aluminum plate conductive again. also is there any testing that is done to verify that the anodizing is making 100% contact in a thick enough layer to provide adequate protection?

 

[satyrday]

GFCI strips are always so damn ugly! Here's the one I bought because I don't need too many protected outlets in my vape den. This just plugs into my regular strip.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HHQIK2/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I might get the E-Nano in the future so I've been paying attention to this thread, but so far my only AC vaporizer is an old box vape. However, the Sublimator is coming up I think definitely, and I will plug it into this GFCI strip also.

 

[pakalolo]

Nobody 'suffered a potentially fatal shock' Gvapes saw a spark at the outlet. He did not recieve a shock fatal or otherwise. The plug (like all plugs) are insulated by plastic, so unless he tried to plug the unit into the wall outlet by touching the metal prongs on the plug, to recieve a shock that way would be impossible, and that goes for everything that plugs into a wall socket including a 12v transformer.

I think we're splitting hairs here, no? You're right, I was thinking of the EV-2. So you're saying the E-Nano design is sufficiently different that there is no chance that what happened to Frickr and his EV-2 could also happen to a Nano?

Regardless, from the discussion and the pictures it seems to me that you could simply add a layer of insulation to both devices and shut everyone up.

 

[ACE OF VAPE]

So, I asked my hubby about that, and he ran off and grabbed his multimeter... and lo and behold, it is NOT CONDUCTIVE.

My hubby, btw, has an open offer on the table to take any E-Nano that anyone wants to toss due to this fear.

You know what... GFCI outlets are great. If you use a blender, a toaster, a food processor, a curling iron, or a hair dryer, be sure that they are all plugged into a GFCI outlet. My E-Nano just happens to be plugged into one, as it is in the kitchen, and EVERY SINGLE outlet I have in there is GFCI, and has been, since we did our remodel on the house. I have taken it to the livingroom, and plugged it into a standard outlet, and have no worries.

A spark at an outlet when plugging in can indicate a short anywhere at all in the cord (never pull on a cord to unplug, always use the handle part of the plug), a fault in the cord, something might have gotten wet, OR it could also be a fault in the outlet. Based on the feel of the cord, my hubby considers that the weak spot... it may have been a defective cord, with a really weak spot in it. He said he hopes that Andy got that unit back, so finding out what happened can happen. He's kinda betting on the cord.

Maybe the first few times you use a Nano, plug it into a GFCI (try your bathroom outlet) and verify that there is no defective cord issues, then go use it where you like.

I test every unit before I ship. BTW the new Nanos have a different cord which is more pliable than the old one stiffer one, and the insulation is thicker. I made the switch for the pliability not because there were any problems with the old one, both of which are certified and manufactured by Zing electric.

I think we're splitting hairs here, no? You're right, I was thinking of the EV-2. So you're saying the E-Nano design is sufficiently different that there is no chance that what happened to Frickr and his EV-2 could also happen to a Nano?

Regardless, from the discussion and the pictures it seems to me that you could simply add a layer of insulation to both devices and shut everyone up.

Yes, what I'm saying is the EV-2 and the Nano are completly different. There is no chance what happend to Fricker could happen on the Nano.
Another point to remeber was in Fricker's case he had the EV-2 placed on his laptop which was also plugged in, and the arc came when EV-2 base touched a metal screw on his laptop.

 

[Rrose Selavy]

andy when did you add the new cords? i got mine 2 1/2 weeks ago im curious which cord i have

 

[Is it tho?]

Yes, what I'm saying is the EV-2 and the Nano are completly different. There is no chance what happend to Fricker could happen on the Nano.
Another point to remeber was in Fricker's case he had the EV-2 placed on his laptop which was also plugged in, and the arc came when EV-2 base touched a metal screw on his laptop.

So to clarify my rubber gimp suit will only be required when using the ev2, shame

 

[ACE OF VAPE]

So to clarify my rubber gimp suit will only be required when using the ev2, shame

PLEASE post a photo of you in the suit using either one.

 

[Is it tho?]

People usually pay top dollar for that sort of service but I guess I could give away a free one for the FC bank

 

[ACE OF VAPE]

andy when did you add the new cords? i got mine 2 1/2 weeks ago im curious which cord i have

The one the top is the new one.

People usually pay top dollar for that sort of service but I guess I could give away a free one for the FC bank

Name your price.

 

[Rrose Selavy]

thanks for the pic andy it was very helpful it appears that i have the newer one

 

[Rebus Canebus]

A TRIAC based dimmer like used in the Nano works by rapidly turning on and off the power to the circuit, which causes a lower voltage on the circuit, it also reduces the current. So as Andy has mentioned, anything past the dimmer is reduced to a level that is far reduced from full household voltage and current anyway.

 

[pakalolo]

..you could simply add a layer of insulation to both devices and shut everyone up.

I want to clarify this because I don't want anyone to think I was encouraging Andy to cover up anything. What I meant is that a simple design change (or one I think is simple anyway) would remove the threat and hence the grounds for criticism. I should have worded it better.

 

[Hippie Dickie]

A TRIAC based dimmer like used in the Nano works by rapidly turning on and off the power to the circuit, which causes a lower voltage on the circuit, it also reduces the current. So as Andy has mentioned, anything past the dimmer is reduced to a level that is far reduced from full household voltage and current anyway.

well, the time average of the voltage/current is less, but when it's on, it's on at 120vac.

if it was a rheostat dimmer, it would be less voltage/current.