Dynavap VapCap

[coolbreeze]

Your first sentence is spot on, & your point is well taken. So my M7 is a stainless device. The item that most piqued my interest is the Titanium tip helix. That looks really nice, but that is just cosmetically. How will this work? Will it hit harder with the new tip? Why do i want to spend $59 for this new piece? My understanding would be that changing the tip from Stainless to Titanium is more hit is retained in the tip, but especially for the new user what will be the impact?

I'm trying to be constructive here. I really do like my Dynavap but what might make it work better? (focusing on internal parts rather than an IH for instance) So if i want that focus on what the tip is doing? is that the most impactful to the process? I take it coolbreeze you have a wide range of experience with Dynavap but as a new user i have very little and that's the point as a company they should be doing a better job explaining the differences or why should i bother at all?

Do you have the M7XL? The longer condenser makes it easier to spin, makes vapor a little bit cooler, and allows you to adjust the richness of the air-vapor mix. It's the most adjustable of the new condensers and the cheapest. That would be my fist recommendation.

The Helix bowl is awesome, it retains heat well for a Ti bowl so it can do more hits with fewer reheats. It's main point is better airflow but it's much more open still if you pair it with the perforated cap. Big, fat, open hits. I wouldn't say it hits bigger than the M7 tip but they are similar in that they both do bigger hits very well, both are less likely to scorch and both roast very evenly.

I agree. Get an M to get to know the product.

Not to mention it's much easier to manage in terms of being more aggressive with your heating. Ti tips can easily spill from great flavor to charred, Stainless tips are much more forgiving.

I think the Halo tip is like an upgraded standard Ti tip for quick heating and cooling, flavor roasting, etc, with less heat passed to the stem and less likelihood of scorching.

If you like it, consider a titanium tip. A bit better flavour. Or stick with the M and have 90% of the dynavap experience.

Exactly, with the caveat that it's easy to take Ti tips too far, especially the OG and lower-mass ones (and for some reason, the Vong tip).

Like a lower temperature? Get that cap

Lower temps = better flavor

Want a one hit extraction? Get the armoured cap.

With the caveat that it doesn't always work that way. See my testing above. I found the armored cap on the M7 tip less productive than just using a normal, slightly-aggressive heating technique. My guess is that more heat stays in the thicker cap than what normally transfers to the bulbous battery below the bowl by the clicks. But with other tips normal heating does definitely extend the hits per heating.

The rest is mostly form factor, looks, colour or maybe a bit more convection heating.

Agreed. Wood for cooler handling/aesthetics; glass for cooler hits/aesthetics; color for aesthetics; Vong styles for water/j-hook hits, etc.

That is the best TL;DR I can do.

A great one, btw.

Stainless steel is denser and more insulative than titanium, so it is actually stainless steel that will hold more heat for longer. In general you can get bigger hits with a stainless tip with the right technique, but titanium may be easier for some people, and the vapor signature is different. Titanium is significantly more conductive, so it heats and cools faster and more evenly, and delivers heat to the load faster. If you're having trouble with complete extraction and hit strength with the M7 tip, my first recommendation would be to experiment with your technique more. The M7 tip is one of the best they've made. If you feel like your technique is fine and you really need another piece, it sounds like maybe the Armored Cap could be good for you.

I couldn't agree more. The M7 is really a great tip. For me it's joint-like because it gives more hits per heating.

Heat slowly using a small flame aimed at the bottom half of the cap--this builds the heat in the metal and the herbs. You can pull the tip up from the inner flame to slow things down, aim lower on the cap, tip the angle of the vape from horizontal to slightly elevated on the lower end of the cap (so the heat climbs down the cap instead of toward the clickers), etc. Too big a flame (or too fast an IH) heats too quickly causing a lack of heat build-up and the need for other less reliable adjustments like counting past the clicks, etc. If you heat slowly, all tips and caps will perform better in terms of being well-heated at the clicks. Heating them too quickly makes them respond differently to each other depending on the tip/cap combo, etc, adding further confusion to the process.

 

[Flotsam]

Do you have the M7XL? The longer condenser makes it easier to spin, makes vapor a little bit cooler, and allows you to adjust the richness of the air-vapor mix. It's the most adjustable of the new condensers and the cheapest. That would be my fist recommendation.

The Helix bowl is awesome, it retains heat well for a Ti bowl so it can do more hits with fewer reheats. It's main point is better airflow but it's much more open still if you pair it with the perforated cap. Big, fat, open hits. I wouldn't say it hits bigger than the M7 tip but they are similar in that they both do bigger hits very well, both are less likely to scorch and both roast very evenly.

Not to mention it's much easier to manage in terms of being more aggressive with your heating. Ti tips can easily spill from great flavor to charred, Stainless tips are much more forgiving.

I think the Halo tip is like an upgraded standard Ti tip for quick heating and cooling, flavor roasting, etc, with less heat passed to the stem and less likelihood of scorching.

Exactly, with the caveat that it's easy to take Ti tips too far, especially the OG and lower-mass ones (and for some reason, the Vong tip).

Lower temps = better flavor

With the caveat that it doesn't always work that way. See my testing above. I found the armored cap on the M7 tip less productive than just using a normal, slightly-aggressive heating technique. My guess is that more heat stays in the thicker cap than what normally transfers to the bulbous battery below the bowl by the clicks. But with other tips normal heating does definitely extend the hits per heating.

Agreed. Wood for cooler handling/aesthetics; glass for cooler hits/aesthetics; color for aesthetics; Vong styles for water/j-hook hits, etc.

A great one, btw.


I couldn't agree more. The M7 is really a great tip. For me it's joint-like because it gives more hits per heating.

Heat slowly using a small flame aimed at the bottom half of the cap--this builds the heat in the metal and the herbs. You can pull the tip up from the inner flame to slow things down, aim lower on the cap, tip the angle of the vape from horizontal to slightly elevated on the lower end of the cap (so the heat climbs down the cap instead of toward the clickers), etc. Too big a flame (or too fast an IH) heats too quickly causing a lack of heat build-up and the need for other less reliable adjustments like counting past the clicks, etc. If you heat slowly, all tips and caps will perform better in terms of being well-heated at the clicks. Heating them too quickly makes them respond differently to each other depending on the tip/cap combo, etc, adding further confusion to the process.

a very strong thank you. There is a lot to unpack here and will take a little time. and I am very appreciative for all the valuable input. No i did not opt for an XL, just the regular M7.

But to me this reinforces my original point. Dynavap can do a better job explaining this stuff! That might even aid sales. I did know that if i asked the question here at FC i will get honest worthwhile answers.

 

[coolbreeze]

a very strong thank you. There is a lot to unpack here and will take a little time. and I am very appreciative for all the valuable input. No i did not opt for an XL, just the regular M7.

But to me this reinforces my original point. Dynavap can do a better job explaining this stuff! That might even aid sales. I did know that if i asked the question here at FC i will get honest worthwhile answers.

Please feel free to ask for clarity or even about things that haven't been covered. Happy to help, and I'm glad you're enjoying your M7!

 

[hotmeals]

I found the armored cap on the M7 tip less productive than just using a normal, slightly-aggressive heating technique. My guess is that more heat stays in the thicker cap than what normally transfers to the bulbous battery below the bowl by the clicks. But with other tips normal heating does definitely extend the hits per heating.

Have you tried a bigger torch for the Armored Cap? I heat mine with my Firefox set to a slightly smaller flame than I've been using for the BallR Cap, aimed pretty much at the captivations or just grazing the top edges of them, and it RIPS on the M7 for me. That and the B tip have been my favorite pairings with it.


By the way, my Vong is here:

Looks and feels amazing in person, I was definitely missing out by not having one of these. I always imagined it being a bit bigger and clunky, but it isn't at all. No glitter or anything fancy in my sleeve, but it does spin fully all the way around. Loving the adjustable airflow so far. The Helix tip will take a few tries to get used to, it's a lot more different from the other tips than I was expecting, and I have a feeling the Ti M7 will indeed end up replacing it. Going to use it more and try it through glass before I decide though.

 

[TheThriftDrifter]

Any style vapcap can potentially get someone 90% of the DV vapor experience.

Upgrades in materials, dimensions, design, etc... for sure make a difference, but I find the bigger differences are in heating technique, using native or on a water piece, torch or IH.

One neat thing about the dynavap platform, is that it offers a great range of customisation, both practical and nuanced, affordable or gold fumed.

I personally find DV'S marketing confusing and a bit exploitative of VAS with their obscure descriptions of differences between products.

It's a refined metal tube with a temperature sensing cap, there aren't really that many differences to write advertising about.

But then again, maybe I'm just skeptical.

Old and skeptical.

Well, I'm not that old, just feel old.

 

[coolbreeze]

Have you tried a bigger torch for the Armored Cap? I heat mine with my Firefox set to a slightly smaller flame than I've been using for the BallR Cap, aimed pretty much at the captivations or just grazing the top edges of them, and it RIPS on the M7 for me. That and the B tip have been my favorite pairings with it.

Thank you--spot on! This is one heating with the Firefox set at about .65" and spun about half-way out in the lighter blue flame. I did heat it for a couple add'l spins just before it would have de-clicked and got a couple more hits and I could tell it was done. A pretty perfect roast:

By the way, my Vong is here:

Looks and feels amazing in person, I was definitely missing out by not having one of these. I always imagined it being a bit bigger and clunky, but it isn't at all. No glitter or anything fancy in my sleeve, but it does spin fully all the way around. Loving the adjustable airflow so far. The Helix tip will take a few tries to get used to, it's a lot more different from the other tips than I was expecting, and I have a feeling the Ti M7 will indeed end up replacing it. Going to use it more and try it through glass before I decide though.

Dang, I'm not seeing the pic!

Glad the sleeve works! Tough choice between the two tips. I love the Helix's airflow but the Ti M7 is really a nice titanium tip, it's powerful and almost as carefree as the SS one. The Ti M+ is like that, too. They both really translate well to Ti.

Any style vapcap can potentially get someone 90% of the DV vapor experience.

Upgrades in materials, dimensions, design, etc... for sure make a difference, but I find the bigger differences are in heating technique, using native or on a water piece, torch or IH.

One neat thing about the dynavap platform, is that it offers a great range of customisation, both practical and nuanced, affordable or gold fumed.

I personally find DV'S marketing confusing and a bit exploitative of VAS with their obscure descriptions of differences between products.

It's a refined metal tube with a temperature sensing cap, there aren't really that many differences to write advertising about.

But then again, maybe I'm just skeptical.

Old and skeptical.

Well, I'm not that old, just feel old.

I agree, I'm not that old either. ; )

Seriously, you're right, but I do feel they deserve props for the recent tips. I think some of the biggest differences are between the Halo, M7, M+, and Helix tips and the older ones, both in terms of individual differences but also in a general sense of being improved.

 

[hotmeals]

Dang, I'm not seeing the pic!

Glad the sleeve works! Tough choice between the two tips. I love the Helix's airflow but the Ti M7 is really a nice titanium tip, it's powerful and almost as carefree as the SS one. The Ti M+ is like that, too. They both really translate well to Ti.

Uh oh, it shows up on my end. Here's a link to the single photo imgur album: Azurium Vong. I am enjoying the Helix, but I might prefer the more restricted tips for my more go to setups.

 

[coolbreeze]

Uh oh, it shows up on my end. Here's a link to the single photo imgur album: Azurium Vong. I am enjoying the Helix, but I might prefer the more restricted tips for my more go to setups.

Beautiful! Nice shot, too. I hear you, I've been mostly using the Ti M7 and Ti M+ lately and really enjoying them.

 

[TheThriftDrifter]

@coolbreeze I only have experience with 2018, 19, 20, 21, SS tips and a couple of titaniums. I can appreciate the progression and refinement that has gone into the latest offerings.

But nothing has tempted me yet.

I always love your posts here, as they keep me up to date with the happenings and are so well written!

Also, vapcaps are my favorite vapes, low maintenance, easy clean, no plastic, long lasting.

I do have a question about the DV convection caps. Have you tried heating the ball section and also heating down around where one would heat a standard cap for a hybrid hit?

I've got a diy convection cap and it hits awesome in hybrid mode.

 

[coolbreeze]

@coolbreeze I only have experience with 2018, 19, 20, 21, SS tips and a couple of titaniums. I can appreciate the progression and refinement that has gone into the latest offerings.

I think it's pretty much been steady progress more or less. I still really like the 19 and 21 a lot. The 19 seemed really refined when it came out, I think they worked on the airflow a bit for that one, and the 21 is just so fool-proof and flexible, I still use that one (both the full M and the tip on a variety of stems) a lot. The M7 doesn't really look like much but the heat retention's really nice, airflow's pretty good, roast is nice and even, and the skinny neck really reduces heat to the stem.

But nothing has tempted me yet.

Does any of the newer parts interest you much at all? I really have enjoyed pretty much everything from 21 on.

I always love your posts here, as they keep me up to date with the happenings and are so well written!

Thanks, man, I hope they're helpful, I appreciate your very kind comment! : )

Also, vapcaps are my favorite vapes, low maintenance, easy clean, no plastic, long lasting.

Totally agree. My 18M ended combustion for me and I've enjoyed them ever since. I have some really great vapes and my Dynas are still dailies for me. There are others that I think are greater but I just love what DVs do. They're so efficient and the high is so outsized compared to the load.

I do have a question about the DV convection caps. Have you tried heating the ball section and also heating down around where one would heat a standard cap for a hybrid hit?

I just tried it! I hit that lower section for like 3 seconds or so and then switched to heating the upper section using the Firefox technique @hotmeals just taught me. I gotta say, the first bowl was very tasty! The next couple were a little darker as I pushed things a bit but I think it works well enough that you could probably hone it to your liking.

I've got a diy convection cap and it hits awesome in hybrid mode.

You made it? Can we see it? : )

 

[hotmeals]

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I tried 2 bowls with the Ti M7 on a B stem last night and promptly swapped tips lol. This feels like the winning combination. Interestingly, the now B stem / Helix setup lets almost no air in through the airport, and I seem to be more consistently getting what I want out of the Helix that way. Felt like I couldn't quite find the perfect airflow setting on the Vong for it.

 

[coolbreeze]

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I tried 2 bowls with the Ti M7 on a B stem last night and promptly swapped tips lol. This feels like the winning combination. Interestingly, the now B stem / Helix setup lets almost no air in through the airport, and I seem to be more consistently getting what I want out of the Helix that way. Felt like I couldn't quite find the perfect airflow setting on the Vong for it.

Looks pretty badass with that tip, too. I've put mine on a vong, it's a great combo.