Dynavap VapCap

[GottaLight]

Very impressed with the Ti-Woody. You folks are marvelous. Many thanks for this thread and all of the knowledgeable responses. I took your advice and my woody is working perfectly......WOW!

 

[Alexis]

Yeah... was kind of afraid of this. Was why I tried to keep it simple and relevant to VC as much as possible while responding to specific question in post above. It's the kind of info that is worthwhile here, but almost irresistible to many to get into the full discussion.

So, maybe a new thread is needed? Or, posting to and reviving one of the 6 I linked above, or the several more others that already exist. This discussion has the potential to derail much more than this, so please be aware and post appropriately. I go OT as much as anyone, but this one can be a MoFo and would hate to be the one who started a 5 page OT run.

MANY THANKS!!

Of course, I echo these feelings. No harm in theorizing on random things for a post or 2. I really didn't feel that this snowball would pick up any momentum here actually, and was just randomly responding.
But quite right, back to Vapcap! I ran just 2 full bowks earlier. However, I am using the Newvape Fine Grinder. It is so easy to overload the Ti tip, as there is so little airspace in the grind. I have been putting the usual amount in, which has more compression room w8th my previous grinders.

I will have to remember this and leave a bit of space at the top when I load.

 

[GreenHopper]

Of course, I echo these feelings. No harm in theorizing on random things for a post or 2. I really didn't feel that this snowball would pick up any momentum here actually, and was just randomly responding.
But quite right, back to Vapcap! I ran just 2 full bowks earlier. However, I am using the Newvape Fine Grinder. It is so easy to overload the Ti tip, as there is so little airspace in the grind. I have been putting the usual amount in, which has more compression room w8th my previous grinders.

I will have to remember this and leave a bit of space at the top when I load.

How do you find the draw resistance with the fine grind?

Also is the middle of the load still cooking evenly?

 

[Summer]

@GreenHopper, thanks for a thorough explanation of all the *ongs, with visuals to-boot.

@Alexis thanks for the great post about absorption & inhalation.

@flotntoke, definitely gonna try your inhaling technique next go-round. Thanks for all the links!


Now on to caps. Does this happen to anyone else? Over the past 3-1/2 weeks, my cap click patterns have changed several times. In the beginning, I would get double clicking 50/50% of the time. Then a couple of sessions later, I got double clicking with decent gap between clicks. Then a couple of days ago, I got 2 pronounced clicks close together, & now for the last couple of sessions, on heat up, I'm only getting 1 very low audible click & on cool-down, 2 low audible, close together clicks. It's odd the way the sequencing(?) of the clicks change for me. Yes, the cap is clean & like someone suggested, I shake the cap now & then to be sure I can hear the bi-metal pieces shake around, and on a couple of occasions, I've lightly tapped the cap against a surface (same poster's rec.) to see if the pieces might be out of alignment. I'm waiting to see after a couple more sessions if it changes again. ???

 

[flotntoke]

How do you find the draw resistance with the fine grind?

Also is the middle of the load still cooking evenly?

I've played with finer grinds in mine, also. I generally like them better for hitting. The reason I don't do it much with VC anymore is because of small particles that get through the screen/CCD. If I can feel them on my tongue, hate to think what is going down into my lungs!

If I used a fine screen, or a hemp filter with flower, I'd probably use a finer grind all the time.

What I found to work best with fine grind is to suck up less than what fills to rim of tip (80% full or so). Does get a bit thicker to draw with airport blocked, but not too bad IMO. I get very evenly vaped loads with fine grind, even in middle of load. What I find best is to lightly tap face of cap on something while cooling, then hold warm cap on and give it a few shakes. IMO, this is one of the best things about finer load. You can shake (sort of like MFLB), instead of stirring to mix the load. If you're doing this right, it is pointless to stir - even to try to get that last roasted hit. Everything has already been stirred/mixed from tapping and shaking.

I also find a more even extraction all through the load and a bit better vapor on every hit other than 1st. All minor improvements, though. So is why I go with more of a medium grind and no small particles coming through now. Also, is pretty rare for me to not have at least one other vape close, and my medium to medium-fine grind is a happy compromise that does well in all. So, no need to keep track of what grind is in what container. Hard enough to keep track of which strain, even though I seldom have more than 2 on me. For some reason, I usually don't think as clearly when using all these things!

... Now on to caps. [B]Does this happen to anyone else?[/B] Over the past 3-1/2 weeks, my cap click patterns have changed several times. In the beginning, I would get double clicking 50/50% of the time. Then a couple of sessions later, I got double clicking with decent gap between clicks. Then a couple of days ago, I got 2 pronounced clicks close together, & now for the last couple of sessions, on heat up, I'm only getting 1 [I]very[/I] low audible click & on cool-down, 2 low audible, close together clicks. It's odd the way the sequencing(?) of the clicks change for me. Yes, the cap is clean & like someone suggested, I shake the cap now & then to be sure I can hear the bi-metal pieces shake around, and on a couple of occasions, I've lightly tapped the cap against a surface (same poster's rec.) to see if the pieces might be out of alignment. I'm waiting to see after a couple more sessions if it changes again. ???

This seems normal in my experience with caps (think I have 5 or 6 in rotation now). I'm not sure exactly why, but they all change with use and not necessarily exactly the same as you describe - or the same as others I have. Think this is just the way the internal bi-metal discs settle in and change over time.

FWIW I find it best to stick with the second (and usually stronger) click on heat up and cool down. Where you can get screwed up is when the second click doesn't come. It should always be close behind first IME, so if it doesn't come quickly after you should know cool down is done, or you better get that f'n heat off the cap fast, or be looking at a scorched load!

Not sure how I made this bit link to @GreenHopper . Pretty cool I guess, but no purpose.

Modnote: Fixed "cool" link

 

[stark1]

@VapCap cant wait for the *All American LABOR DAY BONANZA* @VapCap....

GLASS is so fragile but, I luv my OG butter fingers me

got to get the newfangle Omni gold~pyrite Ti thangamajig....

 

[Alexis]

How do you find the draw resistance with the fine grind?

Also is the middle of the load still cooking evenly?

@flotntoke has already added some very well considered thinking on this, and he is the better man to ask a simple question, my brain is somewhat disordered!

As Flotntoke has hinted, it pays to pack less into the cap with a very fine grind. I made the mistake earlier of leaving no room. No tamp, but with the NVFG the tamping is kind of already done as the sawdust like plant material fills up all the space in the bowl.
As long as you leave some room it works very well. You can actually get bigger hits from smaller loads with a finer grind, and a faster extraction at a lower or equal temp, so a full load isn't actually necessary either.

I am just a stuckler for always wanting the max vapor production and most effect from each load. In everything I do I have always struggled to actually follow the "less is more" philosophy, when it comes down to the crunch. ("Right, I'll just take one E now, just take one...oh fuck it I might as well just take 3 now, I'll take them all soon anyway!")

Also as Flotntoke says bits can be an issue with a fine grind. I am apprehensive about sucking my load into the tip due to risk of tiny particles coming through into my mouth. It is while sucking up a load that the most bits will come through. Once it is packed I never actually notice anything in my mouth from the Vapcaps, not that it iant getting through though.

I have experimented with hemp fiber under the screen. I struggle to do the 2 screen sandwich method, just not delicate and refined enough. However, it is tricky to place the hemp fiber under the screen, from the condenser end, without restricting airflow. And on occasions, the hemp fiber has suddenly gotten clogged when I am out somewhere, unable to get my screen out with condenser to remove the blockage.

The vapor is definitely smoother with some hemp fibre in the vapor path, but I do like the air flow being completely open as much as possible, I really need to get back into experimenting with this.
@Joaon has a great alternative. He uses SS mesh 300 in all of his vapes now, including vapcaps. I should get some of this and see if it will easily secure under the screen in the Ti tip, to keep fine particles stum.

I have given up

 

[flotntoke]

Fully agree with you on all as usual @Alexis ! Must get some of this super fine screen to experiment with, also. Sounds like one piece may be able to be squeezed in on condenser end of tip under CCD. Think I would prefer this to hemp filter for reasons you give above.

 

[VisiblyVaped]

I attempted some of the "re-breath" technique with a capful in my M.
I don't know if it's cuz it's a new strand that I've never had before, or the intake method, but I felt it more than usual with less.
And everything I get is potent medicinal from dispensary

 

[Prolusio]

Received my most recent order from @phattpiggie and @Pipes this week! Can't believe how nice these stems turned out; I swear piggie is getting better and better.

Super hard to get a good picture of those Mokume; photos just don't capture all the details. Very happy with how they all turned out! Did not expect the Osage to be so amazing.. Those tiger stripe grains are awesome and the wood takes to sanding very well. Lovely material!

Family photo!

Got phattpiggie on the left. Then starting at the horizontal striped one we have @Winegums, plus the green one at the bottom atop the lovely valet he created for them. Next are the two included pieces for the WS with @Ed's TnT stamped on them, then the rest are all Dynavap originals(Omni XL is the most recent). And at the top we have Jarhead, WS, and the newly arrived Portside! Oh and a Burl Dynastash with an Omni hanging out there as well.

I think at this point I can consider my collection, if not entirely complete.. at least complete enough for now . It's pretty crazy when I consider that this time last year I didn't even own a single Vapcap! How did I ever live without them?!

 

[Alexis]

I think at this point I can consider my collection, if not entirely complete.. at least complete enough for now .

You couldn't have spoken it more truly! Your collection is literally complete enough, for now! You don't actually NEED the Symphony demanding your attention and appreciation, but give it 6 months!

 

[Summer]

... This seems normal in my experience with caps (think I have 5 or 6 in rotation now). I'm not sure exactly why, but they all change with use and not necessarily exactly the same as you describe - or the same as others I have. Think this is just the way the internal bi-metal discs settle in and change over time.

FWIW I find it best to stick with the second (and usually stronger) click on heat up and cool down. Where you can get screwed up is when the second click doesn't come. It should always be close behind first IME, so if it doesn't come quickly after you should know cool down is done, or you better get that f'n heat off the cap fast, or be looking at a scorched load! ...

I'm comfortable in that I understand how the clicks function and I get what you're saying in tour first paragraph quote above, but what I'm asking is: 1) are the multiple cap click changes I've experienced in only 3-1/2 weeks abnormal? & 2) can I expect frequent changes perpetually going forward? (YUCK!, an image of a burial jumped into my head as I typed that word. ) If you answer these 2 questions, I can decide if I think my cap is defective? I do have a new cap on-hand, but I don't want to use it now if I don't have to. Call the cap I'm using now my learning cap & when I can consistently pull clouds & am more comfortable in the act of doing..., then I'll breakout the new one. Of course, it all depends on whether you think my cap is bad.

LMK! Thanks.

 

[Alexis]

I'm comfortable in that I understand how the clicks function and I get what you're saying in tour first paragraph quote above, but what I'm asking is: 1) are the multiple cap click changes I've experienced in only 3-1/2 weeks abnormal? & 2) can I expect frequent changes perpetually going forward? (YUCK!, an image of a burial jumped into my head as I typed that word. ) If you answer these 2 questions, I can decide if I think my cap is defective? I do have a new cap on-hand, but I don't want to use it now if I don't have to. Call the cap I'm using now my learning cap & when I can consistently pull clouds & am more comfortable in the act of doing..., then I'll breakout the new one. Of course, it all depends on whether you think my cap is bad.

LMK! Thanks.

I would just try the new cap a few times to see if there is a difference. I don't think there is much to go wrong with the caps, just don't sit or tread on them. They are very safe while they are on the tip.

Anyway, just be careful and use it to see if both caps are the same. If the current one is defective, you need the new one. If they are both identical, then carry on learning with cap 1 and keep number 2 aside.
That's what I would do anyway, not much can go wrong, you may even gain!

 

[WoodVillain]

Got my M yesterday....

Ordered the omnivap today!

I'm excited that it's the older model. Puff it up still has some available... I was going to wait a few weeks before ordering the omni but really didn't want to chance getting the newer model... It might be easier to hold, but i don't think it looks as nice...

 

[GreenHopper]

@Alexis and @flotntoke:

Thank you both for your detailed and informative responses.

I'm nearly always running through my MFLB Orbiter so I'm gonna have a go with some fine grind. You've convinced me to at least have a play. I mean why not ay, I've got an MFLB Finishing grinder so let's have some fun.

I do believe though that like @flotntoke I'll probably end up routinely using my SWII medium coarse (no turning over the grinder) grind. Mostly because as mentioned, it's good enough and universal.

I don't load by inhaling through my stem, I scoop into grinder and then place a finger over the end and twist to remove any loose particles. It's just the way that works for me, totally a subjective matter.

@Alexis unlike you I was totally regimented with my E's back in the day, no more than 2x a month. Same with my tokes, thats one of the reasons I love the VapCap. I've gone back to toking click to click rather than the '@phattpiggie one click technique' (so sounds like a kung-fu reference....so cool). This is because I've switched to stronger stuff and I prefer not to go to OTT. Although there are moment when it does happen.

I find the VapCap routine really good at providing me with a consistent experience. Obviously if I'm experimenting with different heating tek's or grind consistencies I get different results but when I want a familiar experience I know a click to click on the VapCap through my bubbler delivers.

@Prolusio you are a maniac....love it, great collection. @Winegums and I are currently scheming my next stem, I'm a maniac too

 

[flotntoke]

I'm comfortable in that I understand how the clicks function and I get what you're saying in tour first paragraph quote above, but what I'm asking is: 1) are the multiple cap click changes I've experienced in only 3-1/2 weeks abnormal? & 2) can I expect frequent changes perpetually going forward? (YUCK!, an image of a burial jumped into my head as I typed that word. ) If you answer these 2 questions, I can decide if I think my cap is defective? I do have a new cap on-hand, but I don't want to use it now if I don't have to. Call the cap I'm using now my learning cap & when I can consistently pull clouds & am more comfortable in the act of doing..., then I'll breakout the new one. Of course, it all depends on whether you think my cap is bad.

LMK! Thanks.

Not abnormal at all IME. This is totally normal. And, the clicks will change regularly. So, don't think your cap is defective as long as you're getting heat up and cool down clicks.

Mine change regularly, at least those that are engraved on ends so I can keep track of them. I have a fresh spare or 2 around here somewhere, and my only once used Steal Your Face engraved cap that I'm saving for Eclipse totality for its next use.

Anyway, out of the 5 or 6 in regular rotation I've found they change in time between clicks, strength of second click, etc. And, they change in both directions sometimes lighter or faster double clicks, sometimes stronger or slower double clicks. For the longest time I though this was me mixing up which did which or how it acted. But after a while I am now sure they change from time to time.

I even had one that I thought was dead after a friend kept heating it red hot one day. For a couple repeated tries it would only heat on cool down, not heat up. Was sure it was dead! I kept playing with it with no load, and after a while it started clicking once on heat up and twice on cool down. Still use it and has since changed to double clicks on both.

Other than this, I've never had one die. Two of my regular ones have been in use for more than a year, too.

FWIW, there are almost always 2 clicks with second one usually being the stronger one. Don't think this is temp dependent for each disc as much as they pop harder with greater temp change - whether getting hotter or cooler. Again, on those rare occasions when you only get one click (and very rare when you get none - but this hasn't happened to me in a LONG time), you should realize the second one isn't coming and react appropriately.

They all seem to act about normal other than time to click with different torches, number of jets or where I heat on cap. In other words, I don't think the difference in clicking is related to difference in heat source - other than heat up click occurring faster with more heat or out towards end of cap.

Not complaining or saying this is a problem, just that this is how these things seem to work - for me at least. I don't really worry about it too much and figure this is just the nature of the beast with the bi-metal discs. Important part is to respect the click(s) no matter how they're acting. Guess it could be a bit tricky if just figuring things out, but I've found the changes usually take a while to occur - tho it's not usually a gradual thing. I don't keep track of all this, but seems when they change a little it's pretty much all at once. And, after plenty of practice none of it is hard to deal with. I always get vapor and haven't roasted a VC load myself in I don't know how long if sober. Friends I'm not paying close attention to, or me shitfaced drunk can be a bit different.

 

[phattpiggie]

Sorry had to be done, lyrics are well suss for the time.

 

[sativasam]

I went through the 'best of thread', it was helpful.

I used my Titanium Omnivap numberous times this evening with no charring problems. Seem to be getting the hang of it.

Using a single torch lighter I keep the cap about 1cm from the tip of the flame when heating. Mainly heating in the middle trying to keep away from the base of the cap.

This seems to take a bit longer in terms of heat up time, but then the result is vapour and not charring. Less weed rather than more weed; and loose rather than densely packed, seems to get best results. I'm getting the same kind of results I wood with my Lotus.

Yesterday I hated this thing. Today I'm happy to have such a unique little device in my arsenal.

 

[ScrewGuy]

Went from loving my M with single flame butane lighter to pure bliss with a triple Vertigo. I see a Omni XL in my future. I just get the best results from this vap.

 

[GreenHopper]

I went through the 'best of thread', it was helpful.

I used my Titanium Omnivap numberous times this evening with no charring problems. Seem to be getting the hang of it.

Using a single torch lighter I keep the cap about 1cm from the tip of the flame when heating. Mainly heating in the middle trying to keep away from the base of the cap.

This seems to take a bit longer in terms of heat up time, but then the result is vapour and not charring. Less weed rather than more weed; and loose rather than densely packed, seems to get best results. I'm getting the same kind of results I wood with my Lotus.

Yesterday I hated this thing. Today I'm happy to have such a unique little device in my arsenal.

Glad you found the 'DynaVap best of' thread useful, it's a fairly new thread so it's really cool to see it's helping out.

Sounds to me like you've got a good rhythm going. This is one of those Vapes that just gets better and better as you try out different techniques.

So the aim is to keep the cap in the outer larger section of the flame and above the inner brighter flame.

If you haven't seen the 'how to heat a VapCap' vid 02:56mins by @VapCap I highly recommend it. George does a great job demonstrating the best form.

I fill about 1/2 to 2/3 of a bowl loosely with medium ground decent well cured material and its working for me.

Going to have a play with fine grind for some fun but I think it's probably going to be too much effort for daily use. Fun to mix things up every now and then though and the VapCap responds really well to switching things up, it's easily the most versatile device I've come across.

Went from loving my M with single flame butane lighter to pure bliss with a triple Vertigo. I see a Omni XL in my future. I just get the best results from this vap.

It's awesome when you get it dialed in.

 

[jambandphan03]

I had fun making this one...

 

[GreenHopper]

That was perfect!

 

[Summer]

@flotntoke , the most important line you said in that entire post, and one that I will always heed is "Important part is to respect the click(s) no matter how they're acting."

Yesterday I hated this thing. Today I'm happy to have such a unique little device in my arsenal.

...So the aim is to keep the cap in the outer larger section of the flame and above the inner brighter flame.

"in the outer larger section of the flame and above the inner brighter flame." WHAT! in & above? I'm a newbie & I have no idea what you mean. English, please, teacher.


In my search I came across a post by @Joaon in another thread (post below). Didn't see that he ever posted these pics here so I decided to because his pics are stellar & I wanted to share with you guys. AND the last pic of his custom woody is outstanding. Best wood stem I've ever seen so far because of the intricate design & precision carpentry. I'm assuming that's an @Ed's TnT ? Width-wise it's looks like a vong??? If it is, of course, no one would ever would dream of using it as such. ! Don't know what wood it is, but love the dynastash in that last pic. *Be sure to click on the pics to enlarge. The concentrate pic is great!

@IAMALWAYSBALLINIf you want to keep it simple, I would suggest you the Dynavap vaporizers. Here on the thread, it seems that for those who have done concentrate with, it was their best experience. Ever. ...

 

[kushkush]

@flotntoke , the most important line you said in that entire post, and one that I will always heed is "Important part is to respect the click(s) no matter how they're acting."





"in the outer larger section of the flame and above the inner brighter flame." WHAT! in & above? I'm a newbie & I have no idea what you mean. English, please, teacher.


In my search I came across a post by @Joaon in another thread (post below). Didn't see that he ever posted these pics here so I decided to because his pics are stellar & I wanted to share with you guys. AND the last pic of his custom woody is outstanding. Best wood stem I've ever seen so far because of the intricate design & precision carpentry. I'm assuming that's an @EdsTnT ? Width-wise it's looks like a vong??? If it is, of course, no one would ever would dream of using it as such. ! Don't know what wood it is, but love the dynastash in that last pic. *Be sure to click on the pics to enlarge. The concentrate pic is great!

Just wanted to say that you @Summer are utterly helpful! And your posts are so interesting. And best of all, the questions you ask are mine too so I don't have to.

So from my very heart, thanks for all that!

 

[GreenHopper]

"in the outer larger section of the flame and above the inner brighter flame." WHAT! in & above? I'm a newbie & I have no idea what you mean. English, please, teacher.

See how the flame has a dark blue halo, keep the cap in that.