Gear D-nail thread

biohacker

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I find this statement from D-nail about their quartz bangers quite interesting:

"Nails of all diameters are made with 1.5mm wall thickness unless otherwise specified. Thicker conducts heat poorly, thinner is not strong enough."

It's caused me to re-think everything I thought to be true! :lol:
 

JCat

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They are probably more referring to speed of heat transfer, especially when using a coil.

heat retention is better with thicker side walls I would think but heat transfer would be better with thinner.
 

LesPlenty

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relatively poor thermal conductivity of quartz?
Would that not really matter after the rig has heat soaked and you get to the temp on the dab surface you have especially with a 150w or more coil running?
Any news on the full SiC Nimbus, I have not heard anything for a while...
 
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biohacker

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Would that not really matter after the rig has heat soaked and you get to the temp on the dab surface you have especially with a 150w or more coil running?
Any news on the full SiC Nimbus, I have not heard anything for a while...

If you take some dabs off of a gemstone using a coil, you will affect the temp of the insert and it will be a much slower response I would think, but again not my expertise nor interest since I don't use one, but it's much more complex than many people think.

Is there not a full Nimbus available already? Pretty cool with the threaded sic lug..
 

invertedisdead

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Think it has to do with the relatively poor thermal conductivity of quartz? I know @invertedisdead understands the physics, but that homie is pretty busy these days designing his industry crusher.

The thicker you go, the more insulative the quartz will act due to its low conductivity and the increased thermal mass.

Eventually you will reach a point where it’s so insulative that it’s impeding heat transfer. I’m of the belief that something with unlimited power delivery (like an enail) benefits from faster heat transfer over extra thermal mass.

When it comes to torched dabs, I consider thermal mass to be more relevant since it’s not got constant power delivery, but things get trickier when we consider insert usage, as thicker quartz can restrict heat transfer to the insert. Especially if the insert is designed for long heat retention itself.

This is one of those things that we as a community have tried to simplify over the years, but I think ultimately different banger sizes, different banger dimensions, different insert materials, etc, are all really dependent of individual dabbing style. The best setup for cold starts probably isn’t the same as the best setup for traditional dabs, or for insert use, or for enail use. Hopefully this type of distinction between all these different vaporization methods will be better understood in the future.

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biohacker

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When it comes to torched dabs, I consider thermal mass to be more relevant since it’s not got constant power delivery, but things get trickier when we consider insert usage, as thicker quartz can restrict heat transfer to the insert. Especially if the insert is designed for long heat retention itself.

Exactly the insert itself makes the biggest difference because with an insert designed for long heat retention (like gemstone) compared to quartz, the banger doesn't even make a difference because the gemstone is doing all the work. The only thing a 6mm puck is doing is slowing down the heat transfer, which i'm personally finding annoying as a torcher (they were designed for quartz floor dabs).

This is also why it's silly IMO to use an American banger unless it's for aesthetics/artistic or personal reasons because functionally it's not going to matter compared to a china banger if you're using a gemstone insert.

Thanks for confirming the complexity of it all! :D
 

damm

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Any news on the full SiC Nimbus, I have not heard anything for a while...

I tried the full SiC Nimbus unless D-Nail released something radically different than the S-Nail Beta. If you have the Cash, it is available for purchase (from me) as it is not used, and I have one brand new unused SiC Nimbus and an unused S-Nail. It was only heated up twice.

I don't believe it will blow your mind, but if you are alergic to Titanium, it's an all SiC option with a quartz spacer to keep from overheating your glass pipe.
 

damm

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Brian at Dnail told me to wait for the retail version and to skip the Beta version of the all SiC setup as it still had bugs to iron out.(that was months ago)
That's nice of him not to tell any of the customers who bought it. Only issue you might have is it gets hot. They have things to deal with that. Finger tight like before feels a little looser but nothing moves.

I just don't have the same lung capacity I did a year ago, so dabbing concentrates even when I set this beast down to mid 400's roasts me. I am mainly doing edibles now because even vaping on my Flowerpot can be too much.
 

shredder

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I just don't have the same lung capacity I did a year ago, so dabbing concentrates even when I set this beast down to mid 400's roasts me. I am mainly doing edibles now because even vaping on my Flowerpot can be too much.

I'm in the same boat, unfortunately. Lately I do a few dabs at 470°F and no herb. But I have a wide range of edibles, and getting pretty good at making them.
 

LesPlenty

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That's nice of him not to tell any of the customers who bought it.
It is called a 'Beta Version', as he said, I am a noob and it would be best for others to iron out all the troubles first as it is a 'Beta Version'.
That's no good about your lungs not holding up to dabbing, I hope medibles are filling the void ok for you.:cheers:
 

damm

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I'm in the same boat, unfortunately. Lately I do a few dabs at 470°F and no herb. But I have a wide range of edibles, and getting pretty good at making them.

I'm getting fantastic with them. Between Flower Rosin that I press myself and Hash Rosin, I get a pretty good variety of effects. I got it down to the point where I don't make any smells in the process. I wish I had an I-502 license so I could sell it.
It is called a 'Beta Version', as he said, I am a noob and it would be best for others to iron out all the troubles first as it is a 'Beta Version'.
That's no good about your lungs not holding up to dabbing, I hope medibles are filling the void ok for you.:cheers:

I think most people would agree that if you paid 250$ for a Beta Product such as an S-Nail, you would expect updates. I know D-Nail did ship out updates. That's why I have the large quartz spacer that I have. Perhaps that is the bug you are mentioning (they used a 2mm spacer originally, which wasn't big enough).

Medibles have a more prolonged effect than vaping just take longer to kick in. Take a pill and vape on the flowerpot for a few bowls and when it starts to come down, the pill picks up.
 

biohacker

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Damn, if that SiC was quartz I would be all over this in sapphire halo form! Would be more affordable too!
 
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biohacker

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Wouldn't quartz be less of a pure flavor than SiC? That's at least what I know from experience is Quartz is the bottom, SiC is the mid-tier and Sapphire is the top tier.

Just IMO but as a dabbing surface I would want sapphire/gemstone over anything, but SiC vs quartz (especially opaque) isn't really that different and many actually prefer quartz over the SiC. Since we're not talking about dabbing surface, then absolutely I would prefer quartz over the SiC for the base joint, just like my quartz banger. I would buy this setup right away if it existed, however I assume it's impossible due to the retainer lug?
 
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damm

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Just IMO but as a dabbing surface I would want sapphire/gemstone over anything, but SiC vs quartz (especially opaque) isn't really that different and many actually prefer quartz over the SiC. Since we're not talking about dabbing surface, then absolutely I would prefer quartz over the SiC for the base joint, just like my quartz banger. I would buy this setup right away if it existed, however I assume it's impossible due to the retainer lug?

There are Quartz nails that have a coil wrap around them so clearly it's possible. The threading is going to be the money maker (or what drives up the cost). You can find Quartz with threading on it.

However, if you go there; why not have a Sapphire base? The same could be said for SiC.
 
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damm

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Cost... a full sapphire base would be insanely inexpensive, even before manufacturing.
Well, SiC has better heat retention than Quartz. So if you are trying to transfer heat from the base and the coil to the dish, SiC will do a better job than Quartz. I don't have the cash for a Sapphire Dish, as it would be interesting to feel the difference in how the heat transfers from SiC and Sapphire.
 
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damm

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The pics you put up show as whiteish powder looking on the male joint and on the retainer lug...maybe you should have not been a beta user either as you can't see a problem.

The white powder is from how I have been wrapping it. It's Cellulose fiber. A quick polish with the cloth included should cure that.

Additionally, there is no reason to take that tone if you want to have a civil conversation.
 
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