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Bill Densoyle

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lwien said:
While I agree that links to quoted studies helps validate those studies, I also think that it's a bit of a stretch to imply that someone is just making this shit up or that the study doesn't exist just because they didn't include a link.
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I just call em like I see em. S&B is unparalleled. I have nothing personal against those who wish to apply lipstick onto the pig that is the REST of the vaporizer industry. But I do like to defend S&B against the criticisms of such folks on the FC forum.

Perhaps this would be a good time for me to bring up another idea I was considering: Thickness of vapor is not a proper measure of quality of vapor. Any home-made device could get really hot without burning, and make a thick vapor mist. But S&B takes it to a whole nother level by scientifically keeping the entire heating chamber at the desired temp without having part of it closer to the heat and part further away, without inaccurate temperature measurements, without inconsistencies that require stirring, and without any chance of human or mechanical error.

Oftentimes the better medical delivery of vapor will be LESS thick and more invisible, because its keeping a constant warm throughout the filling chamber, instead of making one spot too hot and one spot too cold. The airflow is such that it provides a thorough and accurate extraction, because its pushing thru the whole chamber at one solid rate of speed, and constantly holding the desired temperature.

Well, I may try to rewrite that idea better later. But there ya go.
 
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lwien

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Bill Densoyle said:
I just call em like I see em. S&B is unparalleled. I have nothing personal against those who wish to apply lipstick onto the pig that is the REST of the vaporizer industry. But I do like to defend S&B against the criticisms of such folks on the FC forum.
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So you think that by making a statement that another vape (the Mini) was also tested and proven to be the Volcano's equal in many regards is tantamount to criticizing S&B?
 
Krizzle

Krizzle

Hi Very high
This vape is da shizzle bam snizzle :razz: Worth the monies for sure! Gotta love the app and the sweet vibrations! I might have to say this is the cleanest high I have ever experienced from a vaporizer. I have never tried a Volcano before, so this is my first S&B product and I am very impressed, it puts all my previous vapes to shame, German engineering rocks :rockon: This thing looks like it get can get kicked around for years and still pump out the goodness. Can anyone tell me how the bottom screen and bowl area is removed and cleaned please?
 
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Bill Densoyle

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lwien said:
So you think that by making a statement that another vape (the Mini) was also tested and proven to be the Volcano's equal in many regards is tantamount to criticizing S&B?
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Iwien, please either provide a link to the study or stop repeating this unfounded claim.:horse:
 
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Vape-Nation

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Just downloaded the iPhone app and set the temp on my new Crafty and thought "Damn, that was too easy!"

Very well done. Love that you can see the actual temp of Crafty on the app display as it heats up! Know exactly when it will be ready. Very nice and easy to use app.

I was thinking Mighty was my go-to, but now that I've customized my Crafty I'll report back with more updates!
 
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Bill Densoyle

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RUDE BOY said:
It's Only "unfounded" to you. You should do your homework yourself. MinnBobber knew what they were talking about and so could you with a minimal amount of research.
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I must disagree with you, sir, on the basis that one should not bring uncited claims into a discussion. It was MinnBobber's obligation to provide the citation for his claim, and I was only pointing that out. It is an unfounded claim as far as this forum discussion is concerned, because the person who made the statement has not cited any link as evidence. It is not my job to do his homework. Good day.

But lets see here, let me guess.. You and Iwien, the only forum participants who took issue with my request for a citation, do not have or have never used the Crafty, let alone any S&B vaporizer? Uhuh, I rest my case. And notice how there has been no response from MinnBobber to my request for a link to his alleged study. Even though it was an off-topic comment that he made in the first place. But like i said, nothing personal.
 
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lwien

lwien

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Ya know, S&B makes some very fine vaporizers and have a well deserved reputation of manufacturing some of the safest, best engineered product on the market, but the fact remains is that irrespective of price, some of their vapes are not for everyone but this S&B fanboyisim really has a tendency to tarnish a product that has no problem in standing on it's own reputation without being bolstered up with some of the nonsense that has made it's presence known here.

Over and out from me on this particular subject.
 
RUDE BOY

RUDE BOY

Space is the Place
@Bill Densoyle
No, I disagree with you. All you gotta do is read through the miniVAP thread like the rest of us. We know what he said is true because we've Read it ourselves. If you venture out of the S&B threads you may actually learn something.


YES, I have actually used a volcano and a plenty. Have you used any vapes other than the 'Cano, plenty, mighty or crafty ?
 
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Bill Densoyle

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RUDE BOY said:
@Bill Densoyle
No, I disagree with you. All you gotta do is read through the miniVAP thread like the rest of us. We know what he said is true because we've Read it ourselves. If you venture out of the S&B threads you may actually learn something.
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Well yeah, perhaps you folks should keep talk of Minivap studies on the Minivap thread, then I won't have to call you out for failure to objectively provide information to the many other participants and observers on the S&B threads.

I guess one thing about me is, on the internet forums, I don't shy away from confrontation when it comes to calling out bullshit.
 
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mestizo

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Bill Densoyle said:
Well yeah, perhaps you folks should keep talk of Minivap studies on the Minivap thread, then I won't have to call you out for failure to objectively provide information to the many other participants and observers on the S&B threads.

I guess one thing about me is, on the internet forums, I don't shy away from confrontation when it comes to calling out bullshit.
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@MinnBobber and @lwien comments have been on topic until you took it personal.

BTW @lwien has praised this vape before, but has said it is just not for him, it doesn't fill his needs, and some of us like S&B products too, that is the reason we are here, it is just not the right time for some of us to adopt them, yet.
 
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RUDE BOY

RUDE BOY

Space is the Place
Bill Densoyle said:
Well yeah, perhaps you folks should keep talk of Minivap studies on the Minivap thread, then I won't have to call you out for failure to objectively provide information to the many other participants and observers on the S&B threads.

I guess one thing about me is, on the internet forums, I don't shy away from confrontation when it comes to calling out bullshit.
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MinnBobber was responding to post #1294 in this thread posted by lwein, not off topic at all.
 
momofthegoons

momofthegoons

vapor accessory addict
Bill Densoyle said:
I guess one thing about me is, on the internet forums, I don't shy away from confrontation when it comes to calling out bullshit.
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Guess what? You can say the same about me. And, if you think that calling out bullshit on everyone here or confronting them is going to fly; you've got another thing coming. We have rules here about being nice. We also have a rule about reporting posts that you think are in violation instead of dealing with it yourself. Maybe a revisit to our rules page here would be in order for you? :cool:
 
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mestizo

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Ask and you shall be given.

I found this article online that makes the connection between
Dr. Arno Hazekamp, Board Member of Scientific Committee of International Association for Cannabinoid Medicine (IACM), Head of Research & Development for Bedrocan International and Ph. D from Leiden University - and Jorge Fernandez from miniVAP.

http://drnickberry.com/2012/06/30/subjective-review-of-the-medicinal-cannabis-masterclass-2012/

Edit: this is my last post on this subject since is clearly not on topic anymore.
To the Mods: remove post if you find it necessary.
 
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Bill Densoyle

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@momofthegoons

I will avoid dealing with posts I think are in violation, and be more selective what subjects I choose to engage in here on the FC forum in future. However, if you could please explain to me where I was wrong in deriving conclusion A based on logical premises 1 thru 6:

1)Someone made a claim based on an uncited study.
2)I requested a link to the alleged study.
3)I was told that I should do my own homework to find the study myself.
4)I tried to assert that proper etiquette is for the person who mentions the study to provide the link.
5)I was told to read the Minivap thread if I want to learn the source of the study.
6)This is the Crafty forum.

A) It is reasonable that the link should have been provided on this discussion thread by the folks talking up the Minivap on this thread. I get the sense that the subjective opinion of Iwien is okay, but my subjective opinion is treated as inflammatory.

Thank you for your moderation.
 
momofthegoons

momofthegoons

vapor accessory addict
@Bill Densoyle I see you didn't take the time to read the rules I directed you to prior to making this post....:cool:

If you had, you would have realized that you should have contacted me via pm to discuss this rather than trying to argue your point publicly.

However, since you chose to do this here, I will say it was your tone coloring your content that got you into trouble with me.

And, now that the member (who has been here much longer than you and thusly has earned some credibility here) has provided that link, this discussion is moot.
 
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Bill Densoyle

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momofthegoons said:
And, now that the member (who has been here much longer than you and thusly has earned some credibility here) has provided that link, this discussion is moot.
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Umm, sorry but the link that was provided is nothing more than a blog post that mentions both said University and the Minivap. The link to said study is still non-existent as far as I am concerned.

@stickstones It's an expression man, "putting lipstick on a pig," it means trying to make the worse thing look better.

Mod note: Since you insist on discussing mod decisions in public, you have now earned a warning point for it. And DO NOT erase this mod note again.
 
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Bill Densoyle

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No trolling. Please do not post any content that disrupts the peace and harmony of this board. Don’t post for or the purpose of starting a dispute.
Those folks got all up in arms because I asked them to cite a link, then after all that no one can provide the link. Guess what smells fishy is often.... fishy. I'll leave you folks to it then. Good luck!
 
Thcgos

Thcgos

Vape Addict
natural farmer said:
Got it!!! :whoa:

VAS over! :smug:

S&B better come with a better plastic for the mouthpiece soon though…
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I have been letting my cooling unit air out for 1-2 days now (in disassembled state) and given it a few minutes dry run again and it seems to be getting much better!

Although it is a bit of a pain, as I personally hate the taste of plastic (I don't allow many plastic utensils in my household).

It's not a big issue, as I know being S&B this is definitely temp/food safe plastic. And the taste is not as bad as others, I just hate plastic taste (I'm dreaming of a glass cooling chamber to be made for this and then it would be perfect in my books heheheh).

Bill Densoyle said:
Those folks got all up in arms because I asked them to cite a link, then after all that no one can provide the link. Guess what smells fishy is often.... fishy. I'll leave you folks to it then. Good luck!
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Buddy, I don't think it's what you asked, it's how you went about it. If you would have done it in a more polite manner, you probably would have gotten a better outcome.
I personally wanted to see that link too, so that I don't have sift through the entire minivap thread, but you have made it so bitter and personal that it has become an polluted topic here.
Honey catches the bee, not a steaming pile of ... (I'll stop there)...
 
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