Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel

[Trypsy Summers]

" Peace" is the signature I was referring to, not the GSC graphic.
Interesting that, for me, living in the now is the path I try to follow to keep from being dragged down by the world around me.

Sorry for off-topic and if too deep a swim in the pool. Now back to the shallow end, No Diving, and definitely No Kayaking!

I really do hope for speedy recovery of your vapes.

Ya know what? Ya just gotta smile, thanks for reminding me!
Ps Thanks for the like and for your kind understanding, at my annoyance at S & B, and the fact I cannot vape whilst out on my country walk!

 

[ktmstick]

" Peace" is the signature I was referring to, not the GSC graphic.
Interesting that, for me, living in the now is the path I try to follow to keep from being dragged down by the world around me.

Sorry for off-topic and if too deep a swim in the pool. Now back to the shallow end, No Diving, and definitely No Kayaking!

I really do hope for speedy recovery of your vapes.

Ya know what? Ya just gotta smile, thanks for reminding me!
Ps Thanks for the like and for your kind understanding, at my annoyance at S & B, and the fact I cannot vape whilst out on my country walk!

That was really great to see guys! Too many times you see minor things get blown into pathetic slagging matches on forums. Well done lads!

Vape on!

 

[Astedra]

Crafty number 4 crapted out at 144 hours of use. Good thing to, because my warranty will expire at the end of the year.

 

[Crafty Vaper]

Crafty number 4 crapted out at 144 hours of use. Good thing to, because my warranty will expire at the end of the year.

I will start to excessive use my 4th
Crafty. My warranty will end in December too. 131 hours on the clock!

 

[Michel]

Crafty number 4 crapted out at 144 hours of use. Good thing to, because my warranty will expire at the end of the year.

I will start to excessive use my 4th
Crafty. My warranty will end in December too. 131 hours on the clock!

I'm in the same boat, currently I have 164 hours on my 2nd replacement and the warranty period ends in December, too!
My goal is to achieve 200 hours before it dies but the battery doesnt hold a charge for no more than 2 bowls.
Luckily I still have a mighty (after its 3rd RMA)

 

[droog77]

Hey everybody. I just wanted to report on my warranty experience so far.

I had a Crafty I purchased in Dec. 2014. (Original fw version, I think). The battery life had dropped to about 15 minutes per charge, and I was getting a message, via the app, that the battery temperature was too high. This was happening with every use. I had about 65 hours on the unit.

So, with just two months remaining on the warranty, I decided it was time to send it in. I requested and received an RMA, and mailed it to SB America last week. I live in Canada, so it took a week to get to Oakland. I finally receive notification, via Canada Post tracking, that my unit was delivered yesterday, at 12:23pm. Much to my delight, my RMA status was updated at 2:01pm, to say that my unit had been repaired or replaced, and that I'd receive a tracking number once it had shipped. Impressive!

So I'm assuming that I'll be receiving a new unit. I can't imagine they actually performed a repair in the time that elapsed between the delivery and the update of the RMA.

Have there been any confirmed hardware revisions since I bought my first one? Or am I going to receive identical hardware, but with newer firmware? I guess what I'm asking is if I can expect the new unit to last longer than the first one.

I'll update again, once I receive the replacement, to let you know what I received, and how it performed.

(Edit) I forgot to add; I've been using a Zeus Smite (re-branded Flowermate I bought as a backup) since I sent my Crafty away. It gets the job done, but it sure makes me appreciate the Crafty. The Crafty is so much better, in so many ways (and it should be, given the difference in cost).


Thanks!

 

[Mr. Me2]

Hey everybody. I just wanted to report on my warranty experience so far.

I had a Crafty I purchased in Dec. 2014. (Original fw version, I think). The battery life had dropped to about 15 minutes per charge, and I was getting a message, via the app, that the battery temperature was too high. This was happening with every use. I had about 65 hours on the unit.

So, with just two months remaining on the warranty, I decided it was time to send it in. I requested and received an RMA, and mailed it to SB America last week. I live in Canada, so it took a week to get to Oakland. I finally receive notification, via Canada Post tracking, that my unit was delivered yesterday, at 12:23pm. Much to my delight, my RMA status was updated at 2:01pm, to say that my unit had been repaired or replaced, and that I'd receive a tracking number once it had shipped. Impressive!

So I'm assuming that I'll be receiving a new unit. I can't imagine they actually performed a repair in the time that elapsed between the delivery and the update of the RMA.

Have there been any confirmed hardware revisions since I bought my first one? Or am I going to receive identical hardware, but with newer firmware? I guess what I'm asking is if I can expect the new unit to last longer than the first one.

I'll update again, once I receive the replacement, to let you know what I received, and how it performed.

(Edit) I forgot to add; I've been using a Zeus Smite (re-branded Flowermate I bought as a backup) since I sent my Crafty away. It gets the job done, but it sure makes me appreciate the Crafty. The Crafty is so much better, in so many ways (and it should be, given the difference in cost).


Thanks!

Hey droog!

My warranty claim ended with a new Crafty and the casing has been beefed up ever so slightly. And the cu fits a little different. I attribute that to me being so used to my old one, and it being warn in. And the new one is sparkling clean, of course!

I'm sure you'll notice the difference, but come to love your new Crafty just as much as your original.

Let us know you did get a new one when it arrives.

 

[vapviking]

Hey everybody. I just wanted to report on my warranty experience so far.

I had a Crafty I purchased in Dec. 2014. (Original fw version, I think). The battery life had dropped to about 15 minutes per charge, and I was getting a message, via the app, that the battery temperature was too high. This was happening with every use. I had about 65 hours on the unit.

So, with just two months remaining on the warranty, I decided it was time to send it in. I requested and received an RMA, and mailed it to SB America last week. I live in Canada, so it took a week to get to Oakland. I finally receive notification, via Canada Post tracking, that my unit was delivered yesterday, at 12:23pm. Much to my delight, my RMA status was updated at 2:01pm, to say that my unit had been repaired or replaced, and that I'd receive a tracking number once it had shipped. Impressive!

So I'm assuming that I'll be receiving a new unit. I can't imagine they actually performed a repair in the time that elapsed between the delivery and the update of the RMA.

Have there been any confirmed hardware revisions since I bought my first one? Or am I going to receive identical hardware, but with newer firmware? I guess what I'm asking is if I can expect the new unit to last longer than the first one.

I'll update again, once I receive the replacement, to let you know what I received, and how it performed.

(Edit) I forgot to add; I've been using a Zeus Smite (re-branded Flowermate I bought as a backup) since I sent my Crafty away. It gets the job done, but it sure makes me appreciate the Crafty. The Crafty is so much better, in so many ways (and it should be, given the difference in cost).


Thanks!

hey @droog77 it sounds like a happy ending is in the cards. Great timing on the warranty, and I'm going to venture to say that one big reason you're getting almost automatic replacement is because the original casing was changed to a slightly more substantial design, around the top near the bowl. This change was an obvious concession that the original design had a weakness, and so lots of units were replaced w/out question. Other folks (like me!) got an updated unit, but then on the next failure I had to buy a new battery...
I'm just saying it could easily have gone that way for you but didn't, this is why I believe the housing change worked in your favor.
Enjoy!

 

[Vaporcussion]

if I can expect the new unit to last longer than the first one.

50/50 chance it will last longer. None of my replacements lasted as long as the first unit. (I finally went over to Mighty.) Enjoy it while it works!

 

[droog77]

Well my hopes for a quick turnaround are rapidly diminishing.

I received a USPS tracking # yesterday, but it didn't show up in the system until today, and so far all it says is that USPS has received pre-shipment information.

So, two days after my RMA was updated, and my unit hasn't even left S&B yet.

Can you tell I miss my Crafty?!?!

Ah, well. At least I have a backup vape (even if it pales in comparison). Fortunately, I have not had to resort to combustion!

 

[Delta3DStudios]

Evening All!

I wanted to drop by and let ya'll know I haven't forgotten about the Crafty! Due to the popular demand of my Mighty CU-Mod, I have given the Crafty's Cooling unit an upgrade as well

Allow me to introduce the Crafty CU-Mod

(As with my Mighty CU-Mod, this adapter does NOT require any modification of your vaporizer or the cooling unit. Simply remove the top half of your CU and replace with this silicone piece!)

 

[Hawk]

About to try my Crafty with oil. Never vaped oil before. Do you need to use high temp?

 

[TboneToker]

I would try 385 degrees or higher for oil

 

[droog77]

My Crafty has arrived!

So, my warranty return has resulted in a brand new unit, in a sealed box with all accessories, including a pair of dosing capsules, as well as an extra CU.

Total turnaround time was 14 days.

Happy to have a Crafty once again!

Edit: Rain delay in the ballgame, so I have time to write more.

New unit heats up quickly. Less than a minute to 180C. Old one was close to 3 minutes. Battery meter didn't move after my first session. Old one would have dropped 2-3 bars. Vapor was smooth and tasty and the extraction was excellent. New unit has FW v 2.10.

I'm pretty happy with S&B right now!

 

[Kentucky Wax]

My Crafty has arrived!

So, my warranty return has resulted in a brand new unit, in a sealed box with all accessories, including a pair of dosing capsules, as well as an extra CU.

Total turnaround time was 14 days.

Happy to have a Crafty once again!

Edit: Rain delay in the ballgame, so I have time to write more.

New unit heats up quickly. Less than a minute to 180C. Old one was close to 3 minutes. Battery meter didn't move after my first session. Old one would have dropped 2-3 bars. Vapor was smooth and tasty and the extraction was excellent. New unit has FW v 2.10.

I'm pretty happy with S&B right now!

My experience mimics yours. I had 108 hours on Crafty #2 when it died . Less than 2 weeks later I have a brand new Crafty v2.10 and it really heats up much more quickly than #'s 1&2. I'm hoping this one lasts longer .

 

[Mr Mellish]

I'm feeling pretty good about S&B support right now. My Crafty s/n was < 500 and the firmware was 2.04. Only 37 hours of usage.

I created a ticket saying that my Crafty was taking nearly 4 minutes to get to first temp and explained I had very old firmware and wondered if newer firmware would resolve the issue. Given that my warranty was a month from expiring, I figured it was worth a shot.

They approved the RMA almost immediately. They received the unit today and I already have an e-mail that it was repaired or replaced. Given how long they had it, I'm cautiously optimistic that I'm getting a new unit. Can't complain about that!

 

[vapviking]

I'm feeling pretty good about S&B support right now. My Crafty s/n was < 500 and the firmware was 2.04. Only 37 hours of usage.

I created a ticket saying that my Crafty was taking nearly 4 minutes to get to first temp and explained I had very old firmware and wondered if newer firmware would resolve the issue. Given that my warranty was a month from expiring, I figured it was worth a shot.

They approved the RMA almost immediately. They received the unit today and I already have an e-mail that it was repaired or replaced. Given how long they had it, I'm cautiously optimistic that I'm getting a new unit. Can't complain about that!

Another member recently had similar experience with their very early Crafty.
My best guess is that the original change to the housing, strengthening area around the bowl was deemed by S&B to be an Oprah moment. "You're getting a new Crafty, and you're getting a new Crafty - you're all getting Crafty's!"
I really hope now that's the story in your case.

 

[TboneToker]

Wait so the new Crafty has better battery life?! Please someone chime in what the new battery life is about? I may choose a crafty if it saves me a 120$CAD

 

[droog77]

Wait so the new Crafty has better battery life?! Please someone chime in what the new battery life is about? I may choose a crafty if it saves me a 120$CAD

If you're referring to my post, I was comparing the performance of a brand new Crafty against one that was two years old. The battery life on the old one had degraded significantly over time.

I don't know if the batteries used in new units are any different from the early units made in 2014. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. For all I know, the battery life on my new Crafty will be just as bad, in two years, as it was on the original unit, which it replaced.

 

[rrnarewatt1]

Hey guys!
Was hoping you guys had some advice for me. I'm trying to decide between getting a mighty or a davinci iq. I'm leaning more on the mighty but idk if the defect rate is still an issue and whether or not s&b may come out with a next gen portable vape. What do yall think ?

Thanks

 

[ktmstick]

Mighty is the only way forward for me. Can be a group beast with full chamber/capsule. But can also be a really good micro dose (<0.05g) with spacer/liquid pad in the bottom of capsules.

 

[Mr. Me2]

Hey guys!
Was hoping you guys had some advice for me. I'm trying to decide between getting a mighty or a davinci iq. I'm leaning more on the mighty but idk if the defect rate is still an issue and whether or not s&b may come out with a next gen portable vape. What do yall think ?

Thanks

We've been speculating here about if/when S&B will release their next gen portable vapes. But there's been no official news. It does seem that the Crafty/Mighty warranty claims have dropped some (based only on posts here at fc). And if you read the Mighty thread, people almost uniformly LOVE their Mighty's (and I admit I'm a fan of my Crafty).

The new DaVinci looks real nice (as does the pax3), but they're still conduction even though both have technology that MAY have them perform a little closer to convection. Of course, the Mighty isn't pure convection either...

Tough call. You may want both!

 

[vapviking]

Hey guys!
Was hoping you guys had some advice for me. I'm trying to decide between getting a mighty or a davinci iq. I'm leaning more on the mighty but idk if the defect rate is still an issue and whether or not s&b may come out with a next gen portable vape. What do yall think ?

Thanks

I love my Mighty and it has performed great for over a year now. My earlier Crafty's kept having problems, though I know not all of them do.
My opinion is that S&B will just incrementally improve the designs they have . This has been their long-standing pattern. Very encouraging was a recent member's report that his brand new Crafty reached 180C in under 1 minute. I believe this is unprecedented; historically Crafty's (new) have taken 1-1/2 to over 2 minutes for heat up. I think this speaks to the theory of incremental improvement.
For over a year I've been touting Mighty-over-Crafty but I'm ready to now say I'd recommend either one as a great vape, but still give an edge to Mighty for lasting longer on a charge, charging faster, things like that.
and,
Lighter use=Crafty; Heavier use=Mighty
sorry to not ring in on the Davinci iq...don't know that one

 

[zenmasterofzinfandel]

I recently got back a new Crafty from SB usa, 2nd RMA, but this was my 2nd Crafty I had to buy quickly to replace the orig that failed @30+hrs on the app. 2nd one failed @72hr, bought earlier this January. I cannot do any of those tips/tricks to prolong the life of the unit; as I push it harder than most here.

I love to do dual capsule sessions, kind of 'shotgun' approach. Do the cycles where I turn off the Crafty when I can't tolerate the vaping anymore (I should get a portable bubbler for sure), turn it off long enough for the unit to cool down enough I can fire it up again before I get the dreaded battery too hot warning. Then on the last session on the 1st capsule, turn it off...then quickly replace with another capsule so that the residual conduction heat, warms up the 2nd capsule...maybe 1 min or 2, then start taking a draw off the mouthpiece<<<major terps inhaling before any vapor is visible. Turn the unit on and take very slow/long draws to get even more massive flavor, like you're vaping a freshly cut bud just harvested. By the time I get to the green light @356F I only get 1-2 more slow draws before I cannot taste much more...either too intoxicated to tell (kind of like you can't taste wine as well after drinking a glass over 30min) or the terps have all evaporated by then.

I wonder if any of you could devise a way to consistently measure the temps in the capsules. Seems to me that conduction with the capsules is increased over not using them. Even at default 356F temp, after too many draws, I could swear the heated air coming out is as hot as the 25F boosted temps when I'm not using the capsules. ABV on default setting is coming out like I'm on the verge of combustion, dark brown sometimes...more so when I use more liquidy rosin or terp sap/holy water mixed in with the herb

I do not have much high hopes in a version 2.0 coming out with improved/durable/more heat resistant electronics + a much better performing battery than the German made one they insist on using. Those two issues could make the Crafty a much better unit...oh well. My new unit I got in October as an RMA, ver 2.10, doesnt seem much faster to heat up, compared to the originals when they were new, 1:30 or about to 356F. They also killed the quick check of battery level by tapping on the power button. Now I must press on the power button and the unit starts heating & then I have to quickly turn if off; using up valuable battery life, just to check the battery level is full.

 

[vapviking]

I recently got back a new Crafty from SB usa, 2nd RMA, but this was my 2nd Crafty I had to buy quickly to replace the orig that failed @30+hrs on the app. 2nd one failed @72hr, bought earlier this January. I cannot do any of those tips/tricks to prolong the life of the unit; as I push it harder than most here.

I love to do dual capsule sessions, kind of 'shotgun' approach. Do the cycles where I turn off the Crafty when I can't tolerate the vaping anymore (I should get a portable bubbler for sure), turn it off long enough for the unit to cool down enough I can fire it up again before I get the dreaded battery too hot warning. Then on the last session on the 1st capsule, turn it off...then quickly replace with another capsule so that the residual conduction heat, warms up the 2nd capsule...maybe 1 min or 2, then start taking a draw off the mouthpiece<<<major terps inhaling before any vapor is visible. Turn the unit on and take very slow/long draws to get even more massive flavor, like you're vaping a freshly cut bud just harvested. By the time I get to the green light @356F I only get 1-2 more slow draws before I cannot taste much more...either too intoxicated to tell (kind of like you can't taste wine as well after drinking a glass over 30min) or the terps have all evaporated by then.

I wonder if any of you could devise a way to consistently measure the temps in the capsules. Seems to me that conduction with the capsules is increased over not using them. Even at default 356F temp, after too many draws, I could swear the heated air coming out is as hot as the 25F boosted temps when I'm not using the capsules. ABV on default setting is coming out like I'm on the verge of combustion, dark brown sometimes...more so when I use more liquidy rosin or terp sap/holy water mixed in with the herb

I do not have much high hopes in a version 2.0 coming out with improved/durable/more heat resistant electronics + a much better performing battery than the German made one they insist on using. Those two issues could make the Crafty a much better unit...oh well. My new unit I got in October as an RMA, ver 2.10, doesnt seem much faster to heat up, compared to the originals when they were new, 1:30 or about to 356F. They also killed the quick check of battery level by tapping on the power button. Now I must press on the power button and the unit starts heating & then I have to quickly turn if off; using up valuable battery life, just to check the battery level is full.

Idk what kind of physics is going on in there but the capsules work great! You are doing almost a heat soak on the second cap, so the thinking is better conduction, while many folks think the caps are improving convection (theoretically more air flow). What-the-heck-ever! I believe the caps help get the goods to release faster overall; session is over faster, with a more definite end. But I tend to do higher temps right out of the gate.
You are a prime candidate for a Mighty upgrade next time of of those two Crafty's goes down. I use water a lot (oh, yeah, I recommend it) most times over 200C. Mighty has only given overheat signal once in a year (I had four Crafty's die) and it shocked me! I don't even remember what the signal is!