Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel

[Vitolo]

I am pretty excited about the Mighty.
The Crafty has not yet interested me.
Some people enjoy gadgets.
I have a few remote control units around (like the Q's)
but never have used them.
It does not appeal to me to have to use two devices to vaporize.
Fill a unit, then step away to turn it on with a remote, only to walk a few steps back to the unit to get your vapor.
I feel similarly about the crafty, but see the point less.
With it's lower wattage, and reduced power, it's appeal seems to be the size... and the gadget!
It would not feel natural to me to pull out my phone to dial in my device, and then replace phone in pocket, so I can reach to other pocket and pull out the vaporizer.
I will of course watch here, and see the progress.
Perhaps I will see points I am missing.

Perhaps using external apps and microcircuitry was the only way they could get the size of the crafty down to where it is.

 

[Smknbud]

This will go on my 'most likely purchase' list when/if Apple approves the app. The fact that they have been 'reviewing' it since 9/17 of this year is disappointing to say the least....combined with the Storz & Bickel disclaimer gives me pause. It's ridiculous actually on Apples part.

 

[Vitolo]

Perhaps apple has a socio/political agenda by delaying approval.

 

[darkrom]

@Vitolo don't forget you don't need to use the app to vape. Just set your temp and boost temp and you can stay app free until you need more than just those 2 temps.

The app is just an extra IMO, since its a fully functional 2 temp vape without the app. That being said, I doubt I would have bought it if I didn't think tinkering with the app would be a good time.

 

[Roth]

I am pretty excited about the Mighty.
The Crafty has not yet interested me.
Some people enjoy gadgets.
I have a few remote control units around (like the Q's)
but never have used them.
It does not appeal to me to have to use two devices to vaporize.
Fill a unit, then step away to turn it on with a remote, only to walk a few steps back to the unit to get your vapor.
I feel similarly about the crafty, but see the point less.
With it's lower wattage, and reduced power, it's appeal seems to be the size... and the gadget!
It would not feel natural to me to pull out my phone to dial in my device, and then replace phone in pocket, so I can reach to other pocket and pull out the vaporizer.
I will of course watch here, and see the progress.
Perhaps I will see points I am missing.

Perhaps using external apps and microcircuitry was the only way they could get the size of the crafty down to where it is.

This is obviously an assumption, but I don't see myself having to pull out my phone every time I want to use the vape. Obviously the app's usage will be higher in the first month or two as I become used to the device. But once I find my preferred temps, I don't anticipate changing them very often.

The only time you'll really NEED to use the app, is if you want to vape at a different temp then what you have your two set at.

Plus, there is the possibility that people will hack the app, and be able to reprogram the buttons to have access to more temps.

But I do think you're right about the size being one reason the Crafty doesn't have a screen.

Crafty review by Vapesterdam

He doesn't seem to realize that hitting the unit resets the auto shut off yet. I posted it in a comment, but it hasn't been approved yet.

 

[oli]

Perhaps apple has a socio/political agenda by delaying approval.

Yep they probably want the market for themselves for their big launch of the I-VAP

 

[El Barto]

I appreciate that valid points have been raised about the Crafty and the need for an app to control temps. However, this has not been a problem for me so far and I don't see it being a problem in the future. You don't need the app to use the Crafty, just to adjust the temperatures, the LED, and the alerts. If you are the kind of user that needs to adjust those things each time you vape and don't like the idea of an app, the Crafty is not the best fit for you. For me, I don't need to adjust my temperatures every time that I vape (or very often for that matter) and therefore consider the preset temperatures to be a convenience.

 

[2clicker]

the app funtion should only be an option if wanted . a user should be able to change temps with or w/out the app. having to use the app to change temps seems like this wasnt thought through very well.

i can see this turning off a lot of potential buyers. including myself.

 

[stickstones]

I like it. It gives people flexibility the form factor wouldn't otherwise allow. I'm tired of being chained to the three or five static temp settings manufacturers think we want, when in reality I use my same two or three all the time. I like that if I don't like the set temps I can choose my own. Practically speaking, this gives users extra flexibility that they will probably only tweak a couple of times. It's a 'set it and forget it', instead of a 'use my temps and forget it'.

 

[2clicker]

I like it. It gives people flexibility the form factor wouldn't otherwise allow. I'm tired of being chained to the three or five static temp settings manufacturers think we want, when in reality I use my same two or three all the time. I like that if I don't like the set temps I can choose my own. Practically speaking, this gives users extra flexibility that they will probably only tweak a couple of times. It's a 'set it and forget it', instead of a 'use my temps and forget it'.

wouldnt a gradual dial and a lock feature work the same, but quicker and easier?

take the SSV for instance. it has a dial that is a gradual progression. so any temp in between the lowest to highest can be chosen. and if you find one you like the dial could be locked into place.

eliminate set temps all together

 

[max]

Perhaps apple has a socio/political agenda by delaying approval.

It may just be that they're being careful and making sure there are no issues. One of the pluses to Apple apps vs. android is that they make sure every one they make available is fully functional, reliable, and safe.

having to use the app to change temps seems like this wasnt thought through very well.

I'm not sure that's the case. It might have jacked their cost up too much if they'd made it adjustable through the vape itself. I'm just speculating there but I'd bet they've thought things through pretty well. I guarantee they've been working on these portables for at least a couple of years.

I think the way to look at the app controlled temp changes is to view it as an added bonus (that you CAN change the presets) rather than as a pain in the ass way to change temps. If a fully and easily adjustable temp change is a high priority for you, then some other model would probably be a better choice.

 

[green2brown]

I don't think S&B is your average vape company, overlooking any detail just to get the product out there quicker making the initial release more of a beta version than production model. Every product is designed and released with a target demographic in mind. It seems the Crafty is targeted toward those who want simplicity in a device with the option for detail. In this way it's similar to the smartphone demographic which is a smart move when you design your controls around a smartphone app.

 

[Nick Brand]

Using the app, you'll be able to watch the temp change as you hit the Crafty.
The Mighty would require a mirror.

As soon as I get the app I want to lower the brightness (couldn't they make the default half-bright
instead of full?). And c'mon, there's gotta be Storz und Bickel fans working at Apple.

I'm getting about 8-10 pulls from the Crafty before the batt goes blinky. I've got a USB battery-
powered charger to fit in another pocket for extended on-the-go power. But, when plugged in
the unit seems to take power from the internal battery instead of from the wall, so you still have
to charge it up again after use.

Great vapor quality. Another well thought-out product from S&B.

EDIT: I also swapped in the fine screen in the top.

 

[Roth]

Using the app, you'll be able to watch the temp change as you hit the Crafty.
The Mighty would require a mirror.

As soon as I get the app I want to lower the brightness (couldn't they make the default half-bright
instead of full?). And c'mon, there's gotta be Storz und Bickel fans working at Apple.

I'm getting about 8-10 pulls from the Crafty before the batt goes blinky. I've got a USB battery-
powered charger to fit in another pocket for extended on-the-go power. But, when plugged in
the unit seems to take power from the internal battery instead of from the wall, so you still have
to charge it up again after use.

Great vapor quality. Another well thought-out product from S&B.

EDIT: I also swapped in the fine screen in the top.

I'd wager that you still need to charge it up because the unit is drawing more power then can be supplied by the USB port.

The heater has a possible output of 27W, yet it can only be charged with a max of 10W at a time. The manual mentions at some point that the unit can be used while being charged, but there needs to be at least a partial charge in the battery.

So depending on how much heat the Crafty is having to output, it might be using more juice then it's getting at that time.

 

[invertedisdead]

And c'mon, there's gotta be Storz und Bickel fans working at Apple.
.

At my time there this was definitely the case.

 

[green2brown]

I'm getting about 8-10 pulls from the Crafty before the batt goes blinky.

Wait, so you're only getting 7-8 draws before the battery needs a charge? So now we've gotten reports of 3 bowls, 4 bowl, 8 bowls, and 8 draws? Talk about a lack of consistency.

 

[Roth]

Wait, so you're only getting 7-8 draws before the battery needs a charge? So now we've gotten reports of 3 bowls, 4 bowl, 8 bowls, and 8 draws? Talk about a lack of consistency.

Agreed it would be nice to have a concrete number, but you have consider how wildly usage habits can be between people.

One person could be taking massive draws, that equate to another person's multiple draws. One person could extend the session by preventing the autoshut off from happening for a while. Others might take multiple hits, in quick succession, so their bowl lasts 2 minutes. Others might take their time and keep the unit on for 5 minutes per session.

Knowing the mAh of the battery would be helpful.





Edit: Also, @Nick Brand might be talking about the first time the light starts to blink blue. Which looking at the manual happens when the battery gets below 95% when in operation. There are multiple flashes that correspond to different battery life values.

From the manual:


7.1. Charging the battery
The battery charge status is signaled
by the blue light on the LED display.
Explanations on the battery display
during the charging operation:
Steady blue light:
the battery is fully charged.
Blue, slow-flashing light: the battery
is between 61 and 96% charged
Blue, rapidly flashing light: the bat
-
tery is between 31 and 60% charged
Blue flashing: the battery is up to
30% charged
Explanations of the battery display
following switch off:
Steady blue light: the battery is
between 64 and 100% charged
Blue, slow-flashing: the battery is
between 32 and 64% charged
Blue, rapidly flashing: the battery is
between 1 and 32% charged
Blue flashing: battery is completely
discharged

 

[green2brown]

Agreed it would be nice to have a concrete number, but you have consider how wildly usage habits can be between people.

One person could be taking massive draws, that equate to another person's multiple draws. One person could extend the session by preventing the autoshut off from happening for a while. Others might take multiple hits, in quick succession, so their bowl lasts 2 minutes. Others might take their time and keep the unit on for 5 minutes per session.

Knowing the mAh of the battery would be helpful.

I understand that. But those are some drastic differences. All vaporizers have variations in battery life from user to user, but I don't remember seeing any with that sort of disparity. I'll be finding out how long it lasts me shortly, though... hoping it leans toward the 8 bowls

 

[RUDE BOY]

i can see this turning off a lot of potential buyers. including myself.

It's kinda like I know the evo or lsv are bad ass vapes if you like water tools, if not(like me) they're not the vapes for you.

This seems the same in that the Crafty APP is an attractive feature for those who like to play with those type of things but not-so-much for those that don't. Some people will enjoy it more Due to wanting to play with new fangled tech, but how it stands right now No ones telling me i have to buy one while holding a gun to my head. And i won't be likely to ever want one to use myself but i'm sure for many people the App adds a certain amount of pleasure in itself so that ain't a bad thing. Is it ?

 

[luchiano]

@2clicker I just realized the app feature is actually a very intelligent idea. One, because it keeps the vaporizer small, and lite weight. Two, because it allows you to be more stealthy when being used. If you don't want attention, all you have to do is set the booster temperature to go up every 5-10 degrees, and just use your phone to do it. This way no one has any idea you are vaping. This is really good if you are in a movie or concert, and don't want any attention your way. Being that it has no lcd screen, no light will cause any suspicion, and the light that is there can be adjusted so it isn't too bright. Brilliant idea. Think about all the places that don't allow vaping like restaurants. With the crafty you can vape and no one has any idea, as long as you exhale the vapor slowly through the nose. All the cooked food will cover up the odor.


@green2brown The inconsistencies might come from different inhale rates. If someone inhales fast, more battery power would be needed to maintain the temperature. I would think if the temperature is high, it would need even more battery power.

 

[green2brown]

From the manual:


7.1. Charging the battery
The battery charge status is signaled
by the blue light on the LED display.
Explanations on the battery display
during the charging operation:
Steady blue light:
the battery is fully charged.
Blue, slow-flashing light: the battery
is between 61 and 96% charged
Blue, rapidly flashing light: the bat
-
tery is between 31 and 60% charged
Blue flashing: the battery is up to
30% charged
Explanations of the battery display
following switch off:
Steady blue light: the battery is
between 64 and 100% charged
Blue, slow-flashing: the battery is
between 32 and 64% charged
Blue, rapidly flashing: the battery is
between 1 and 32% charged
Blue flashing: battery is completely
discharged

That's good info to know! Thanks, @Roth!

 

[RUDE BOY]

@2clicker ...This is really good if you are in a movie ...

Don't use your phone APP at a movie where I live someone might shoot you.

 

[Gonzo]

Also, don't then throw your phone at someone in a movie because they could perceive that as a threat.

 

[Roth]

Don't use your phone APP at a movie where I live someone might shoot you.

Think you missed the point. You don't have to (and shouldn't) use the app in the the theater. You could turn the LED off via the app prior, and then you have a dark, stealthy vape when you want.

Unless you got that and were just making a joke...then nvm!

 

[Gonzo]

Think you missed the point. You don't have to (and shouldn't) use the app in the the theater. You could turn the LED off via the app prior, and then you have a dark, stealthy vape when you want.

Unless you got that and were just making a joke...then nvm!

I think having the two presets can be an advantage to some people. On the go and when trying to be stealthy, I could definitely see the benefit of turning the vape on already preset at my desired temperature and having a boost temperature already preset at the temp I want to finish the load.