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[MarsellusWallace]

I don't own the Do22, but I have been through several 187's (both GB and FC). I really like the 187's. The Do22 second chamber, referred by to by some around here as "the tumor" may add some extra smoothness at the expense of flavor. Either wet or dry. @ataxian is a big fan of the Do22, maybe he can comment.

Interesting. Since one of the high praises for the E-Nano seems to be its exceptional flavor, I may want to go with the 187 to preserve that flavor as much as I can. Then again, I'm all about the smooth hits. Ah, choices...

Thanks for the info.

 

[HSIHP]

I'm eventually getting an E-Nano and I am deciding between two DHgate pieces: the D022 and FC-187.

Can anyone who has used the D022 comment on the function of the "double chamber" it has? I'm a glass noob and I have no idea whether that would add any benefits like a smoother hit or whatever.

I would consider the UFO as well. I have the MF Orbiter and it is the best way IMO to use the nano.

 

[DieHard]

Interesting. Since one of the high praises for the E-Nano seems to be its exceptional flavor, I may want to go with the 187 to preserve that flavor as much as I can. Then again, I'm all about the smooth hits. Ah, choices...

Thanks for the info.

My favorite dhGate pieces for best flavor retention are the FC-710 and the Kathy Toro Knock Off (TKO). Both are very small.
Edit to add TKO link.
http://www.dhgate.com/product/black...sh-catcher/183729712.html#s5-12-1b|2319204742

 

[MarsellusWallace]

Wow the TKO piece looks very nice. It definitely is small though.

Would you happen to have a link to a video of that thing in action (with a vape or not)? I can't seem to find any sort of model number or code in order to search on youtube (e.g. FC-187, D022).

 

[Frederick McGuire]

I think your friend wasn't doing it right. The nano will milk up bigger pieces really quickly, I'll post a video if I can get over my privacy issues. The vapour is thick but (this is a dumb way of describing it) it's more Solo thick than Evo thick if that makes sense. I use it with the 186 & 187 from yingmin. It works really well in both of them but if I was only buying one for it I'd go for the 187 style.

I only ever used the nano with small to medium pieces, but the impression I got of it was just that of a nice log comparable to a UD or HI. Great performance that's obviously nothing to be sneezed at, but still - it's a log...
It seems to get heavy praise, I just don't really see what sets it apart from any other high quality log...

But we should probably take that discussion to another thread as it's getting a bit off topic now

OMG tell me someone has tried this: http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/12-pcs-lot-16cm-hand-made-curved-sweet-puff/195789362.html

Im tempted. It's just so unique...

I haven't tried it, but there's not much need...

It's just a single hole disc perc.
With the amount of water he's got in there, I'd imagine there's a fair bit of drag, and it will be 100% chug city...

I'd assume it'll retain a fair bit of flavour, as there's so little diffusion going on.

There's nothing functional about the wheel as far as I can tell...
The single hole perc is just offset to one side so that the exiting bubbles will hit one side of the wheel and spin it.

IMO;
If you want it purely as a show piece and you like the spinning of the wheel - go for it.
If you want something spinning parts that's also highly functional, then join me in hoping eventually we will get some kind of propeller perc piece produced at some point

@cwheezy
The FC-1000 is the largest piece of the 3 you mentioned.
IME it works better the more airflow you can give it, but I was happy using it with my solo, so it should still work fine with the nano. I might not recommend it as being a one-and-only piece with the nano, purely because it is so large, but I really love it's function. Of the 3 you listed it is my favourite, but possibly not the best suited to the nano?

The FC/GB 186 - first off, I prefer the bubbler neck of yingmins GB-186. It looks janky as fuck, but I prefer the ergonomics and the view it provides.
Stevens FC-186 seems better built, and possibly thicker.
The GB186 seems to smooth out the hit a little bit more but they both function virtually identically.
Again this perc likes a bit of airflow to get it going, probably a bit more than the fc-1000.
It's close in scale to the fc-1000, but not quite as big

The straight fab is the smallest of the 3.
This one makes the most sense to me to pair with a log like the Nano.

I actually personally prefer the matrix pillar and stereo matrix over the straight fab, they are all really nice pieces and You should be happy with any of them.
Possibly also look into the FC-Cake, FC-187, and GB-187. They are all essentially just matrix perc rigs, so they all offer a nice amount of diffusion with minimal drag. They're small-ish and relatively simple so they're a bit cheaper too

 

[grokit]

http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/2015-new-fashion-bong-glass-water-pipe-colorful/238970274.html
In case you are really itching to throw a lot of money away...here's a regular old bong. I have one like it I'll let go for 1/3 the price.

That's $63 each including shipping, not great but not bad. I'd buy ONE

 

[herbivore21]

I'm really tempted to get one of those pukinbeagle propeller rigs! Apparently they are really, really hard to get a hold of at the moment though!

 

[zaphod42]

I'm eventually getting an E-Nano and I am deciding between two DHgate pieces: the D022 and FC-187.

Can anyone who has used the D022 comment on the function of the "double chamber" it has? I'm a glass noob and I have no idea whether that would add any benefits like a smoother hit or whatever.

I've got both with the nano and the 187 is really my favorite of the two. More volume and I like the 'purr' of the matrix perc. Plus the glass is much thicker.

I don't really see much benefit of the second chamber in the D022. It's certainly not a bad piece though. But I definitely prefer the 187.

 

[digigator]

No need to apologize
It's just better to keep things clear
Percs and such can get confusing to keep track of...


Someone (sorry can't remember who) mentioned Steven had mentioned a V2 to them...
I personally didn't like the sound of the changes, but no-one has really discussed them further as far as I know... There may be design reasons for certain changes that I'm not aware of, but ATM they sound like a step backwards
I'm going to contact Steven later today to ask about it


I have all 3 of those pieces.
I'll do a quick comparison post of them for you soon
My first thought is that of the 3 the straight fab might be a bit of a better fit because its the smallest of them.
Can the nano really keep up milking a bigger piece? I only got to try a friends nano a few times and wasn't as impressed as I thought I would be based on its rep around here...


It could just be because they've been doing those techniques on recent pieces?
I know for sure I've seen a coin rig (or whatever that mid section is called) from one or two sellers recently, and the fab eggs have been exploding all over dhgate...


IKR...
At least the 1000 is nice

EDIT:
I just counted the slits on a few of my matrices:
FC-1000 Matrix Perc - 21 Slits, 2 bands
FC-186 Stereo Matrix - 18 Slits, 2 bands for both percs
Yingmin Stereo Marix - 25 Slits, 2 bands for both percs

Hey I was the one that mentioned Steven has a V2 FC-1000 coming. Here's the picture he sent me:

I disagree with most of these changes. I can see how shortening the pillars would reduce the initial drag some what, but that doesn't bother me enough to warrant the change. I'm a huge fan of my V1!

 

[Delta3DStudios]

Interesting. Since one of the high praises for the E-Nano seems to be its exceptional flavor, I may want to go with the 187 to preserve that flavor as much as I can. Then again, I'm all about the smooth hits. Ah, choices...

Thanks for the info.

I had the FC-187v1 by Steven and the GB-187-S by Yingmin5. Sold my FC-187 and use my GB-187-S every day with the Nano.

For what it's worth - both 187's use a matrix perc - it provides a moderate level of diffusion.

For higher flavor, you want a bubbler with less diffusion, not more. Pieces like my D020 provide less diffusion and therefore more flavor than my Matrix Perc bubblers.

(But I still prefer my GB-187-S matrix perc because it provides just the right amount of diffusion for me personally)

 

[XeroRespect]

I had the FC-187v1 by Steven and the GB-187-S by Yingmin5. Sold my FC-187 and use my GB-187-S every day with the Nano.

For what it's worth - both 187's use a matrix perc - it provides a moderate level of diffusion.

For higher flavor, you want a bubbler with less diffusion, not more. Pieces like my D020 provide less diffusion and therefore more flavor than my Matrix Perc bubblers.

(But I still prefer my GB-187-S matrix perc because it provides just the right amount of diffusion for me personally)

I have the FC-187v2 from Steven (my 1st piece from DH Gate). I have since purchased numerous pieces, and always come back to the FC-187v2 as my go to piece for the Underdog. Seems to have the perfect diffusion/flavor for me, and the right size can to milk.

@Ratchett , what was it about the GB-187 that you liked better than the FC-187?

 

[Delta3DStudios]

@Ratchett , what was it about the GB-187 that you liked better than the FC-187?

Build quality

My FC-187v1 perc was absolute shit, fired through literally only 1 slit when using with my Nano.

My GB-187-S however is perfect, everything properly aligned, matrix perc perfectly cut. No cracks or defects in the piece, and the perc fires properly entirely around the piece.

 

[alltoreup]

Has the person that wanted the neck changed on the FC-1000 actually hit the current one? I'm waiting on my replacement fc1000 but my cracked one still hits great and I don't think I've ever seen any water pooling in the neck. Mine never even bubbles high enough to reach the neck except on a massive clear and even then most water hits the top of the can.
I just don't see why changing the original makes much sense.

 

[hweezi]

@cwheezy
The FC-1000 is the largest piece of the 3 you mentioned.
IME it works better the more airflow you can give it, but I was happy using it with my solo, so it should still work fine with the nano. I might not recommend it as being a one-and-only piece with the nano, purely because it is so large, but I really love it's function. Of the 3 you listed it is my favourite, but possibly not the best suited to the nano?

The FC/GB 186 - first off, I prefer the bubbler neck of yingmins GB-186. It looks janky as fuck, but I prefer the ergonomics and the view it provides.
Stevens FC-186 seems better built, and possibly thicker.
The GB186 seems to smooth out the hit a little bit more but they both function virtually identically.
Again this perc likes a bit of airflow to get it going, probably a bit more than the fc-1000.
It's close in scale to the fc-1000, but not quite as big

The straight fab is the smallest of the 3.
This one makes the most sense to me to pair with a log like the Nano.

I actually personally prefer the matrix pillar and stereo matrix over the straight fab, they are all really nice pieces and You should be happy with any of them.
Possibly also look into the FC-Cake, FC-187, and GB-187. They are all essentially just matrix perc rigs, so they all offer a nice amount of diffusion with minimal drag. They're small-ish and relatively simple so they're a bit cheaper too

Yeah I see what you mean about yingmins 186. You'd be able to watch the can fill up.

I actually have a d020-d already so I'm good on matrix percs but I am looking for another small rig with even less diffusion.

Seen this
http://www.dhgate.com/product/12pcs...lland-curved/196111920.html#s1-6-1b|953716597

Just a simple cup, but i'd love one that was 18mm.

 

[Frederick McGuire]

I'm really tempted to get one of those pukinbeagle propeller rigs! Apparently they are really, really hard to get a hold of at the moment though!

They do look pretty badass

Hey I was the one that mentioned Steven has a V2 FC-1000 coming. Here's the picture he sent me:

I disagree with most of these changes. I can see how shortening the pillars would reduce the initial drag some what, but that doesn't bother me enough to warrant the change. I'm a huge fan of my V1!

Yeah, it just looks wrong IMO...
Does anyone like the proposed changes?
If so please speak up because I'm not seeing the advantages...

@EverythingsHazy The slanted neck joint was your idea wasn't it?
Have you had any pooling issues with the V1?

Yeah I see what you mean about yingmins 186. You'd be able to watch the can fill up.

I actually have a d020-d already so I'm good on matrix percs but I am looking for another small rig with even less diffusion.

Seen this
http://www.dhgate.com/product/12pcs...lland-curved/196111920.html#s1-6-1b|953716597

Just a simple cup, but i'd love one that was 18mm.

The Barrel to funnel is one of my favourite smaller rigs
The FC-710 diffusion pump is an awesome little low-diffusion option too

And then there's the pillar cycler and the d-cycler as some cool higher diffusion options

 

[turdhole]

that mouthpiece is the ugliest thing i've ever seen, doesnt flow aesthetically for me

 

[Zufi Raj]

I have now pulled the trigger on the FC 1000 !!!

BTW: I sent Steven my suggestions as to modifying the FC707 and he says he could incorporate into the next batch.

They have stocks of the FC 707 & 1000 so would need to sell those before the new modified versions could be made and they have to fulfil some other bigger orders first.

Hopefully this means that the delivery will be relatively quick!

I would have gone for a modified FC 707 but he couldn't give me a date for when the next batch would be made.

The FC 1000 looks pretty awesome; I've asked Steven to test it and wrap it carefully; and am hoping it gets to me in one piece!

So far Steven has been very polite and prompt and helpful in answering questions and e-mails.

 

[pacifica333]

The Vertigo Pillar-Cycler Knockoff by CCG

Link to this piece? Can't seem to find it on CCG's store.

 

[EverythingsHazy]

@EverythingsHazy The slanted neck joint was your idea wasn't it?
Have you had any pooling issues with the V1?

Yea, it was one of my original ideas. That was one of my early mock ups of the design. I also thought he should've remade the gb-186 with a bubbler style neck, and a slanted connection too, instead of the fc-186 style neck, but he didn't.
In the mockup pick it does look a little weird, but I don't think it'd be too ugly if done well.
I wonder who went along with that pic and asked him to make changes.

That said, I haven't had any problems with the v1. A little water does get up there there if you clear hard enough, but not enough to be a problem.

As for V2, tbh, I wouldn't change much, but if he is going to, I think the pillars could maybe be an inch shorter, and the top section, an inch taller. It's definitely not needed tho. I think anything else might take away from the aesthetics.

I messaged him personally, to see what was going on here, and this is what he said:

Current FC-1000 is too bigger and it is easy break during shipping,I want change smaller.

Steven

No mention of any other changes. I told him to try to send a pic of a sample before he makes a bunch, to make sure it's still good.

 

[John Lewus]

No need to apologize
It's just better to keep things clear
Percs and such can get confusing to keep track of...


Someone (sorry can't remember who) mentioned Steven had mentioned a V2 to them...
I personally didn't like the sound of the changes, but no-one has really discussed them further as far as I know... There may be design reasons for certain changes that I'm not aware of, but ATM they sound like a step backwards
I'm going to contact Steven later today to ask about it

Jane contacted me back and said that only the new version of the fc-1000 that is smaller is available. Coupon expires soon. What to do what to do.

 

[VJJJV]

wait

 

[flotntoke]

Interesting. Since one of the high praises for the E-Nano seems to be its exceptional flavor, I may want to go with the 187 to preserve that flavor as much as I can. Then again, I'm all about the smooth hits. Ah, choices...

Thanks for the info.

IMO the GB-187 (and probably 187-S) are great for the nano! Don't want to step on any toes here - I know some of you kids love all the pretty percs and bubbles - but for vaping less is more. IMO pillar percs, eggs, etc. etc. are fun to look at and play with, but are going to smooth the flavor right out of your vapor. Would think they'd be great for combusting and wanting to take huge rips without coughing your head off. Perfect if you're smoking one hits of schwag or doing QWISO dabs. But the more they "smooth", the more flavor they're taking from every hit, and leave me wanting if vaping a la nano.

There are a few that have cool vapor paths that do retain the flavor, but I think those are pretty few and far between. 2 of my personal favorites are the FC-710 and D-Cycler. Both continue to impress me with their lovely flavor retention. But, if I could have only one Chinese piece with my nano, it would be the GB-187. Don't even have to think about it.

If you're using a nano, and enjoying the fine flavor it brings - go for a simple perc, with little diffusion, and keep the water level just high enough for function. More bubbles, more diffusion, more water contact, will all lead to more water filtration and less flavor.

So less truly is more unless you're looking to make impressive bubble videos. And if I want that, I can just put a drop of dishwashing liquid in any of my glass and have bubbles galore! Yeah... it would probably taste like shit, but if you're washing out all of the flavor from your tasty vapors - why not just totally screw it up?

 

[MarsellusWallace]

@flotntoke

All great info thanks a bunch. The D-cycler looks amazing! At first it appears like the nano wouldn't fit--the place where you would place the nano looks like it is too close to the rest of the piece, but if you have experience with it I trust your words.

 

[Frederick McGuire]

Well that's kinda disappointing...

I'd probably eventually buy a smaller matrix pillar if it was a separate model, but it'd be a shame if they made the FC-1000 smaller just because they can't pack it well...

Saying it breaks in shipping means either they aren't wrapping them properly, or they aren't constructed properly...

This is seriously one of the only nice large pieces, I've seen coming from China, and now they want to friggin miniaturize them again?
Bleh
They've already got 48 billion mini rigs - let us have our large pieces too

 

[flotntoke]

@flotntoke

All great info thanks a bunch. The D-cycler looks amazing! At first it appears like the nano wouldn't fit--the place where you would place the nano looks like it is too close to the rest of the piece, but if you have experience with it I trust your words.

Yes. nano fits with no trouble on mine. Keep in mind you'll probably need an adapter because D-Cycler is 14mm male. 14mm F > 18mm F adapter gives it even a bit more clearance and allows for simple lift to clear easily. I really like this pairing, tho just a little less than my nano on the GB-187. Mostly because of GB-187's larger can and ability to hit it real slow and easy, keeping diffusion to a minimum.