Cannabis Hardware (formerly NewVape) FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer
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Oogendoogan
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If the showerhead gets discontinued I’ll buy as many as I can before so my friends who are saving for flowerpots can have them. It’s by far the best head for fast flower extraction. The extra mass compared to other heads and the way it works effortlessly with any draw carbed or not makes it stand out for flower use which is what anyone I know wants a flowerpot for.
Most of my friends dab a lot more than vape flower and have no need to mix both at the same time, and just want the best device for flower they can get. It would be a shame if the showerhead was discontinued because it is the best device for flower I have used. The fact is the weed eater doesn’t quite replace it because it lacks the mass and requires a much higher PID temp.
I think if anything the weed eater was a bit of a waste of time..
the showerhead already did the job and if you want to dab you can on the titanium dish no reason to get rid of the option. Only thing the weed eater was good for in my mind was a cheaper option to get into the flowerpot system, never thought it was worthy of replacing the showerhead.
Most of my friends dab a lot more than vape flower and have no need to mix both at the same time, and just want the best device for flower they can get. It would be a shame if the showerhead was discontinued because it is the best device for flower I have used. The fact is the weed eater doesn’t quite replace it because it lacks the mass and requires a much higher PID temp.
I think if anything the weed eater was a bit of a waste of time..
the showerhead already did the job and if you want to dab you can on the titanium dish no reason to get rid of the option. Only thing the weed eater was good for in my mind was a cheaper option to get into the flowerpot system, never thought it was worthy of replacing the showerhead.
If the showerhead gets discontinued I’ll buy as many as I can before so my friends who are saving for flowerpots can have them. It’s by far the best head for fast flower extraction. The extra mass compared to other heads and the way it works effortlessly with any draw carbed or not makes it stand out for flower use which is what anyone I know wants a flowerpot for.
Most of my friends dab a lot more than vape flower and have no need to mix both at the same time, and just want the best device for flower they can get. It would be a shame if the showerhead was discontinued because it is the best device for flower I have used. The fact is the weed eater doesn’t quite replace it because it lacks the mass and requires a much higher PID temp.
I think if anything the weed eater was a bit of a waste of time..
Have you owned the VROD and Weedeater?
Oogendoogan
Well-Known Member
Owned a Vrod shortly and I’ve tried a weed eater once. The Showerhead works better for me. Vrod was close but I personally got the dark ring that’s been discussed and also it seemed like a stir did a lot more for the v rod in general than the SH where stirring is basically unnecessary for me with the SH. I did not get enough time with the weed eater to be 100 percent honest but I did not get nearly the same great results and the temp was way higher.
This is 100 percent my opinion and I’ve learned a long time ago that vaporizers really are a thing of personal choice. Some of the vapes others love I hate, some of the “end game” vapes that everyone loves don’t do it for me. On the other hand I’ve never really had it go the other way except for maybe with the GH but plenty of people obviously LOVE vapes I can’t stand. So I’ll say that your opinion about discontinuing the SH is valid and may actually be correct. I just don’t agree.
I also think the ability to use any 20mm coil effectively, without any tolerance issues or any worry about the coil not fitting absolutely correctly is amazing. The weed eater and vrod both require the coil with one more wrap than most available 20mm. Actually the coils are such are rare size even a great member here who specializes in coils couldn’t find a steady supply of them..
My last point for keeping the SH is the ability to dab. I don’t dab from my FP. I have many bangers and glass rigs as well as an enail set up that I would rather use but for a lot of people who don’t do that the titanium dish of the showerhead is not intolerable and does the job of a ti enail. I think the value of a ti enail added to the value of the SH for flower makes it a much different and In my opinion better option for dry herb user than the weed eater. Just because someone doesn’t plan to dab from the FP doesn’t mean the feature isn’t appreciated or will never come in handy. It forsure isn’t worthless enough to discontinue and not for that reason alone I truly do believe the SH vaporizes just flower slightly better than the VROD and pretty noticeably better than the WE. Although as I said if I had more time with the WE maybe I would have a brighter opinion of it. I do know it is not as effortless and powerful as the SH. Had enough time for that conclusion.
Once again this is just MY opinion. No ill will to anyone who disagrees. I just love the SH a ton.. I don’t post here often and actually prefer to stay off FC and other forums for the most part these days but I just had to voice my opinion about this one as I think it would be a shame to see the showerhead discontinued.
YaMon
Vaping since 2010
This is at least the second time I have seen the 'mass' cited as a reason the ShowerHead excels over the WeedEater. I own both and cannot ascertain any difference in performance.
The carb cap and the ability to dab cleanly on the SH are the only operational traits which distinguish the SH from the WE and you don't dab,
Brah, if you've not used the WE, how can you weigh in on keeping the SH. The WE is still in it's first iteration. If they add a profile to accept the VRod crab cap, or the add some new fangled hinged carb cap it will equal the SH, there would be no reason to have the SH in the lineup (D-Cup, WE and VRod) would cover all the bases and if you own a VRod there is very little reason to own a WE. (Note I do not now a VRod, but the consensus in this thread is the difference between the VRod and SH is negligible.)
Totally understand your perspective. I just feel like everybody that wants the Showerhead to stay already has one, and I think that's cool, it reminds me of an old sports car that will continue to increase in value and desirability, even after production ceases.
IMO the Vrod is a little easier to use than the Showerhead, for me the vapor is smoother, airflow/draw rate more steady, lower temp extraction, better vaporization surfaces options for concentrates, better carb cap, sleeker aesthetics. Does the Showerhead vape flower a little better? I think so too, at least for one hit high temp crushers - but to try and explain its benefits across the rest of the line-up on a webpage to someone who knows nothing about NV products seems challenging. It's easy for us vape nerds to understand these differences as we've been rocking with NewVape since the beginning.
As far as I know that whole thing about the coils being a rare size was just a misunderstanding blown out of proportion from some bad measurements? The standard 20mm Auber coil appears to fit all of the NV devices fine?
IMO showerhead vers weedeater.
sh- tightens down on 4 wrap coils
we- only tightens down on 5 wrap coils
all around performance is better with a 5 wrap coil.
sh- has dish for dabs (albeit ti)
we- lighter and better balanced (is what I like most)
my general opinion on performance is there basically the same. the we does require a little more temp because of the reduction of mass.
Moving the SH to pasture (clearance tab) only means removing it from the main flowerpot parts page, and bundles page to reduce the confusion for newbies to the website. I'm committed to always have a small inventory of the SH parts.
sh- tightens down on 4 wrap coils
we- only tightens down on 5 wrap coils
all around performance is better with a 5 wrap coil.
sh- has dish for dabs (albeit ti)
we- lighter and better balanced (is what I like most)
my general opinion on performance is there basically the same. the we does require a little more temp because of the reduction of mass.
Moving the SH to pasture (clearance tab) only means removing it from the main flowerpot parts page, and bundles page to reduce the confusion for newbies to the website. I'm committed to always have a small inventory of the SH parts.
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Baron23
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I agree with all of your points about the SH. Caveat, I have used a Vrod and for just flower only I still prefer my SH. I have not used a WE, but the main points in favor of the SH for me are not dependent on that....e.g. I too like that the SH will tighten down on pretty much any coil. WE not so much. I don't need to use the WE to know that.
The balance issue that Edwyn brought up is a non-issue for me. I don't see any issue with the balance of my SH and all of these heaters are going to have a 4-5' long cable attached to the back end of the coil...right? So, where is balance with that? Now, I have to admit that I'm a competitive clay target shooter (well, I was competitive, now I'm just old) and have spent a LOT of money in pursuit of proper balance of a shotgun. But my FP...meh. LOL
In any case, I have a SH, I expect it to last a lifetime (can't really see how to hurt it without a 15 lb sledge), and @NewVape710 has committed to keeping SH supply support so I'm cool with it all.
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Happy sunday @Baron23 IMO the lighter WE head seems to come off and on the bowl easier. Perhaps it just the reduction of weight that gives me that feeling. Not that it makes a bit of difference but the SH won't balance with the cordless coil at the same CG point. She's bow heavy. I stand behind my previous recommendation there's absolutely no performance benifit to upgrade to the WE from the SH. The WE is also .625" shorter which puts the heat a little further away from my face. The WE seems a little less intimating because of the smaller size.
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Baron23
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Hi Edwyn, happy Sunday to you too!!
I'm sure that the WE will be a big hit (if not already). I've just become very parental in my defense of the SH! hahaha jk!!
I know some have had issues getting heads off of bowls and the stand but I must be luck in that regard as I haven't noticed anything (and I'm a grouchy old curmudgeon and def notice anything annoying! LOL).
Yes, I can see how this is an attractive product feature. Truly. Dab nail folks probably don't mind a really big honking hunk of hot metal in front of their face (I don't) but I can readily see how the WE just looks like a more manageable package and how that may increase its attractiveness for some customers. Also, the lighter weight and lower cost. I do indeed get why the product road map went in this direction.
I'm sure you are right and I don't believe that I have ever questioned the sincerity of your recommendations and communications. Its one of the many reasons that I love NV...you are an engineer thru and thru and and knows facts from opinion. I always afford your thoughts the highest degree of credibility.
Hope you are enjoying your weekend and (bit off topic), I'm very glad you are getting more Obsidian inserts from Josh for D-cup. Now, if we water board him do you think he will tell us his source? haha jk
Jblizz
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IMO showerhead vers weedeater.
sh- tightens down on 4 wrap coils
we- only tightens down on 5 wrap coils
all around performance is better with a 5 wrap coil.
sh- has dish for dabs (albeit ti)
we- lighter and better balanced (is what I like most)
my general opinion on performance is there basically the same. the we does require a little more temp because of the reduction of mass.
Moving the SH to pasture (clearance tab) only means removing it from the main flowerpot parts page, and bundles page to reduce the confusion for newbies to the website. I'm committed to always have a small inventory of the SH parts.
I’m slightly confused here, does the WE come with a 5 wrapped coil? Mine came with a 4 wrap. Works great but there is a “wiggle” with the coil inside the head as it’s not a snug fit.
Oklahoma
Member
Count both sides.
Is it a 5/4 coil or 4/3 coil?
If it's a 5/4 coil you might have to spread/open the wraps with a flat screw driver to get a snug fit.
If it's a 4/3 coil then yes it will be lose.
thevapist
Well-Known Member
I rarely get a dark ring with the VROD anymore. Seems like it only happens when I pack way too much or I'm drawing too slow for the temp setting. Carb cap with some terp balls also seems to help as was posted a few pages earlier.
I would buy a hinged VROD carb cap instantly.
I would buy a hinged VROD carb cap instantly.
Ramahs
Fucking Combustion (mostly) Since February 2017
I've been unsure for a year or more which Flowerpot I should buy, and even after following this thread and other popular sites around the intertubes for all that time, I still have no more confidence on which one I should buy than before all of this.
I'd thought I'd settled on the SH because I have rigs w/bangers & coils for concentrates and everyone seemed to share a consensus that the SH is better/more efficient for flower. Now everyone disagrees on that. And the guy who designed them seems to think that there is no difference between the WE and the SH in efficiency/function. So I'm lost again.
I'd thought I'd settled on the SH because I have rigs w/bangers & coils for concentrates and everyone seemed to share a consensus that the SH is better/more efficient for flower. Now everyone disagrees on that. And the guy who designed them seems to think that there is no difference between the WE and the SH in efficiency/function. So I'm lost again.
nodrog
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Get the Weedeater. It's lighter, with fewer parts, costs less, and seems to work identically to the SH.
@Ramahs I'm sorry if I confused you. What I meant to say is there's no reason for a person that already owns a SH to feel compelled to purchase the WE for performance reasons. Only ergonomics.
Can you specify your intended use?
100% flower = weedeater
50% flower & 50% concentrates (or both at the same time) = Vrod
100% concentrates = DCup
Can you specify your intended use?
100% flower = weedeater
50% flower & 50% concentrates (or both at the same time) = Vrod
100% concentrates = DCup
Ramahs
Fucking Combustion (mostly) Since February 2017
So, SH not even recommended at all anymore?
I must admit that worries me, as so many experienced users seem to be all-about the SH for 100% flower.
You said that performance is the same....which seems to be in opposition to what most other users have said.
I need to understand why so many who've used both seem to disagree with that statement.
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nodrog
Well-Known Member
Well, from my reading here, I think you're confusing existing SH owners' enthusiasm with an assessment of both heads. I think very few people extolling the virtues of the SH have actually tried the Weedeater. Has anyone here (other than NewVape, obviously) sat down with both heads and tried to see if one is more effective?
Ramahs
Fucking Combustion (mostly) Since February 2017
I'm mainly going off of the posts I remember reading from owners that had both. They mostly seemed to think that the SH extracts a little faster and a little more efficiently....at least from what I remember reading. Even if it's only a small difference, I don't think I remember anyone who compared them both say that they were equivalent in efficiency.
YaMon
Vaping since 2010
Yes, and there is no difference in performance.. although you may need to raise the temperature a few degrees. A place for concentrates and a good fitting carb cap are the advantages of the SH.
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
My opinion is based on the input from @NewVape710 . In his comparison video, he stated the WE needed to be nearly 100 degrees higher than the SH for comparable performance.
You can adjust temps to compensate for the difference initially, but what if it's being used for big groups? All of a sudden that extra thermal mass might start to make a difference.
I agree, for 80% of the people, the WE will probably be the better choice due to price. But there will be a group looking for the high performance model if you will.
If I didn't have my SH right now, and were looking to buy between the SH and WE, I'd still personally go with the SH for my usage. I run my SH at 737, I'm not looking to keep my WE at 837 for comparable performance.
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Vaporware
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@Ramahs I can’t blame you for doing it, but you’re overthinking it.
Here’s a quick overview of the FlowerPot’s evolution:
“OG” FP - held a dish, but no metal surrounding it
Wrap-Around - put Ti under and up the sides of the dish
ShowerHead - larger trough for dabbing, more mass for better flower extraction, even more open airflow, but there were no dishes that would fit so it stayed Ti.
VRod - those of us with a shower head who wanted SiC or other surfaces for dabbing pushed for the ShowerHead to evolve and give us the best of all worlds, and the VRod brought a couple of small compromises but also brought improvements and basically delivered what we were asking for.
WeedEater - people who liked the new VRod style and didn’t care about dabbing wanted a version of the VRod without the dish, and this is it.
The top half also works on the bottom half of the VRod head, so they’re more of an integrated system, but really if you have a VRod there’s probably no real *need* for a WeedEater, it would just be a “nice to have” thing.
There are small differences between all 3 of the current heads, and if you used all of them you might have a favorite, but I really doubt many people who just tried one would be disappointed with any of them.
Personally I think if you want to do any dabbing on it the VRod’s the obvious choice, if you’re not then the ShowerHead or the WeedEater if you prefer its aesthetics or price.
You really can’t go wrong, but I’d personally go ShowerHead for flower only or VRod if you care about dabbing. If you prefer one of the others though, you’re better off buying any one of them than worrying about which is 2% better in some way.
Here’s a quick overview of the FlowerPot’s evolution:
“OG” FP - held a dish, but no metal surrounding it
Wrap-Around - put Ti under and up the sides of the dish
ShowerHead - larger trough for dabbing, more mass for better flower extraction, even more open airflow, but there were no dishes that would fit so it stayed Ti.
VRod - those of us with a shower head who wanted SiC or other surfaces for dabbing pushed for the ShowerHead to evolve and give us the best of all worlds, and the VRod brought a couple of small compromises but also brought improvements and basically delivered what we were asking for.
WeedEater - people who liked the new VRod style and didn’t care about dabbing wanted a version of the VRod without the dish, and this is it.
The top half also works on the bottom half of the VRod head, so they’re more of an integrated system, but really if you have a VRod there’s probably no real *need* for a WeedEater, it would just be a “nice to have” thing.
There are small differences between all 3 of the current heads, and if you used all of them you might have a favorite, but I really doubt many people who just tried one would be disappointed with any of them.
Personally I think if you want to do any dabbing on it the VRod’s the obvious choice, if you’re not then the ShowerHead or the WeedEater if you prefer its aesthetics or price.
You really can’t go wrong, but I’d personally go ShowerHead for flower only or VRod if you care about dabbing. If you prefer one of the others though, you’re better off buying any one of them than worrying about which is 2% better in some way.
buddingglasshead
Well-Known Member
Been meaning to weigh in but you nailed exactly what I wanted to say.
High temp SH users don't really see a benefit from the WE if they had to buy again.
Doktor Dub
Well-Known Member
My Flowerpot works so flawless that i can t really participate in this thread but i always read it... just want to point out:
Have a great day!
- This thread is great
- Still love my FP Showerhead, works so good, built so well, impresses all friends who say they dont like vapes ;-)
- @NewVape710 & @newvape918 please continue to be part of this thread and show us pictures, drawings etc., i love how you take input from users and how fast you develop new stuff and new versions
- @NewVape710 please do not learn to be more professionel with social media, no need for strweamlined people, i prefer some edges and personality
- again, still love my showerhead and that says a lot about quality - it is quite old now and there were so many new versions but tht doesn t take one bit away from it!!!
Have a great day!