hotmeals
Serial vapist
LMAO unbelievable. It's literally a Convector XL made out of a different material.It definitely reminds me of the PHASE3 ELEMENT but it seems pretty cool
Camouflet Convector XL
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I'm interested in buying the ceramo xl, im not 100% sure what to expect to be honest. Also should i order the super capacitor with it?Anyone springing for these?
Super Capacitor
*Estimated shipping date for Super Capacitor Pre-order is late February. Refunds are not available for Pre-order items. Please only place your order if you are willing to wait for the items to ship when they’re available. Super Capacitor Features: Pure Stainless Steel Construction for optimal...camouflet.com
Ceramo XL
*Estimated shipping date for Ceramo XL Pre-order is late February. Refunds are not available for Pre-order items. Please only place your order if you are willing to wait for the items to ship when they’re available. Ceramo XL Features: Pure Black Zirconia Construction No O-ring Construction for...camouflet.com
I'm still waiting for my xl
Testersinc
Member
@Camouflet is ceramo xl and super capacitor compatible with wand? If so, can you give us approximately how long it would heat to temp the ceramo xl and super capacitor?
SlickHenry
Well-Known Member
Pretty sure the Ceramo XL will work in the Wand as it uses same Camo XL cap. The listing just mentions that the chamber won't get hot as it's not metal so wont get heated by induction heaters. Pretty excited about this as it will mean much easier heating with the Wand.
Not sure about the super capacitor, I'd imagine yes, it will be able to be heated by induction, but not sure how feasible for the Wand.
These products are at a great price ATM so I just jumped on it and ordered them both. I was considering a new cap anyway so now I have two on the way and a sexy new stem.
Does anyone have any suggestions for a good mouthpiece to go with the XL stem? Says the stem has an 8mm bore for mouthpieces.
Not sure about the super capacitor, I'd imagine yes, it will be able to be heated by induction, but not sure how feasible for the Wand.
These products are at a great price ATM so I just jumped on it and ordered them both. I was considering a new cap anyway so now I have two on the way and a sexy new stem.
Does anyone have any suggestions for a good mouthpiece to go with the XL stem? Says the stem has an 8mm bore for mouthpieces.
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StringTheorista
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Seems like any of the newer style dynavap mouthpieces that press fit into the stem would work. The hyperdyn mp is dark grey, so would look especially sweet. I have an M7 XL mp and an omni mp, will probably use one of those. (Oh yeah, I jumped on the preorder. Always been a fan of zirconium for vaping devices--the zirconium airpath was the only thing I liked about my Davinci miqro. Had been waffling on ordering a XL, glad I waited.)
StringTheorista
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Why do you say that? The zirconium itself is cooling, so the whole larger interior of the stem will have a cooling effect, instead of just the interior of the ceramic insert. I assume it will cool better because the hot vapor will be exposed to more cooling ceramic. (Just my guess, admittedly).
Plus, the option to fill it with boro or other material balls for more cooling and turbulence...
Plus, the option to fill it with boro or other material balls for more cooling and turbulence...
Because the stem looks hollow. So just a tube. To think that would cool a 0.2g bowl goes against everything I've experienced. That's why I'm confused. I'm asking because I'm surely missing something, and want to know what it is.
My question is sincere. Not a veiled attack.
SlickHenry
Well-Known Member
That is a good idea about using boro balls to cool like in the Vaphit X. I understand Zirconium is great for flavor and cooling so it sounds good to me. Maybe there is also scope to use a condenser and intercooler too?
I can understand your concern as iirc you weren't the biggest fan of the XL's stem. Personally I mainly use it natively and do not find it too hot so no reason to believe this one will be. Someone posted before about the perceptive cooling that a MP can have, narrowing the draw so as not to have a wide blast of warm vapor hitting your throat. It maybe worth giving that a go - I am certainly going to try with my XL for now. Regardless its hard to know with this new device until its release but I am sure it is designed with native use in mind.
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TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
Yes, this is what I understand as well. The direct quote from the website just has a bullet point that reads
- Ceramic provides direct cooling
I think these are both possibilities. The description of the stem is that it's one single piece of zirconia with a friction fit screen. I don't see why you couldn't add the ceramic condenser from the regular XL inside it if you wanted more cooling or better yet, add quartz or corundum rubies inside and keep them in place with another friction fit screen.
Edit: I don't know the diameter of the XL bowl but just having a zirconia bowl and stem with a 14mm connection is cool. I wonder if any heaters out there could use it as an injector bowl if you want an alternative to the titanium XL cap?
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The titanium CXL bowl works great with the Injector. Since it works with the original cap I’m hoping that the Zirconium body works just as well.
I‘m waiting impatiently for both the new cap and Ceramo XL.
So is my misunderstanding that the stem
But my understanding is the single piece Zirc stem has no such insert, and does not require it for cooling. This sounds great to me, however I'm beyond skeptical it would cool enough if it's just a hollow tube.
I don't like thr XL stem because I'm not a fan of the ceramic insert. Creates too much restriction for my tastes.
But my understanding is the single piece Zirc stem has no such insert, and does not require it for cooling. This sounds great to me, however I'm beyond skeptical it would cool enough if it's just a hollow tube.
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
That's my understanding too, that the CeramoXL has no internal ceramic condenser because it's all ceramic to begin with.
The original titanium ConvectorXL gets by with a ceramic condenser as a cooler when used natively so it probably cools quite well. Ceramics are pretty good at that. The condenser may cause too much restriction for you but I'm guessing it cools well. This new CeramoXL doesn't need a condenser and might be better for you overall because of the increased airflow. You would still have the option of adding a spiral or cooling balls inside it but I wouldn't discount its native cooling without trying it.
Yeah I had already decided to sell my ti XL. Too much restiction on the stem, and I'm not a fan of the multiple heat cycle extraction. These issues are both subjective.
The new device and cap strives to solve both of those issues. I think I will wait and see how people enjoy them first.
EDIT I guess I will wait and see if specifically the new stem cools adequately when used with the super capacitor.
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I just realized after almost two months of daily use that I was shipped the wrong insert.
SlickHenry
Well-Known Member
It is perfectly possible to get a OHE on a single heating cycle. There are plenty of videos showing this. It takes some technique and is easier with a waterpiece. Also do not overfill or tamp the load as this does restrict the airflow. Fair enough if this is still not for you. Maybe the new model will be more to your tastes.
What insert did you get? I didn't think the OG condenser would fit in the XL? Wonder if that means that the single bore version would also fit. Is that potentially more open?I just realized after almost two months of daily use that I was shipped the wrong insert.
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the_hexx
Team Hash
Damn, Camouflet are killing it! I just got my CXL, first impressions are positive but still getting to know it. That pre-order looks like a great deal but seems to me that there’s quite a bit of an overlap between the CXL and the CeramoXL to jump on this right now.
Perhaps I’ll be proven wrong, definitely getting that new cap though!
Perhaps I’ll be proven wrong, definitely getting that new cap though!
I have a quad bore insert but it only came with two o-rings and has never fit properly from the first cleaning. Somehow, it seemed pretty solid until then. I purchased extra o-rings and messed around with it that way but it's never seemed like a proper fit. No matter how close to the end of the insert I place the o-rings, it has never come close to catching on both ends. It seemed like a design flaw to me. I've just kind of put up with it being loose as long as it doesn't fall into my mouth. I hadn't even noticed that there are two different quad bore inserts available until now.
I need to get the proper insert because this almost certainly affects the draw. I'll post a couple pics when I get home later.
StringTheorista
Well-Known Member
i didn't take it as an attack, I was also just asking. I guess it will depend on how thick the walls of the tube are--zirconium is quite good at sucking up heat
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
Yeah I just pulled the trigger on the CeramoXL. It's just too good a deal for a nice zirconia piece and I'm glad I waited because I had been considering the regular ConvectorXL. I'm also expecting good things as a Wand user
as the ceramic should provide decent insulation against robbing heat from the cap while also undesirably increasing bowl temp.You get a nice box and a torch too? No jury would convict me
.About the mouthpieces... I think this would shine with a ceramic mouthpiece to complete the ceramic package and the mouthfeel of ceramic is so nice and cool. The AVLP has a flat zirconia mouthpiece and it's great but doesn't fit.
I have a classic Omni mouthpiece to try as well as a wooden one from a GVB piece but I'd like to add a ceramic 8mm one to my arsenal if such a thing can be found... Perhaps glass is the next best thing.
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SlickHenry
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I did query this with Camouflet before and they clarified the following:
The dimensions of XL Ceramic tube are: 65.5mm in length , 6mm diameter.
Dimensions of the regular size Ceramic tube: 55mm in length , 4,5mm diameter.
The XL O-rings have a 9mm outer diameter and the regular size O-rings have a 6mm outer diameter.
Durbandream
Well-Known Member
You probably won't need more cooling, the Convector XL vapor is very cool already
Sorry, I still have ptsd with my interactions in the Tornado thread. Made me think I'm not good at communicating in text. I just wanted to be extra sure to clarify my intent.
I think I will ask Camuflet if they think the super capacitor will need more cooling than the Zirc stem. I guess that is a good place to start.
But yeah it seems I might be underestimating the stem as it goes.