Camouflet Convector XL

[SlickHenry]

What would be the best model for microdosers? The OG or the XL?

VAS is acting up

The clue is in the name.
With the XL although it is possible to just cover the screen to do small amounts, it both works better with, and inevitably leads to, the packing of full bowls of up to 0.2g of material. The OG is approximately half the bowl size so would be the better option for microdosing.

I would really recommend these vapes for phenomenal taste and effects. Perhaps the greatest strength is the really fast heat up and cool down times. Particularly if you go for titanium. You won’t regret it.

 

[coolbreeze]

What would be the best model for microdosers? The OG or the XL?

VAS is acting up

Probably the OG. You can do smaller loads with the XL but the screen area (which you'd need to cover) is at least twice the OG's. The XL is awesome but the OG is more the right size and it's about as great.

 

[Kozzmozz]

Thanks @SlickHenry and @coolbreeze
It seemed a stupid question, but when reading it seemed as if the xl had more even extraction hence my question.

Cheers!

 

[coolbreeze]

Thanks @SlickHenry and @coolbreeze
It seemed a stupid question, but when reading it seemed as if the xl had more even extraction hence my question.

Cheers!

Not a stupid question and you're right, it is easier to get even extraction from the XL. But with careful heating the OG can be extracted evenly as well.

I had to test to see what kind of microdose you could do in the XL. I filled it to cover the screen enough to work:

Turned out to be about .05g, or half a Dynavap bowl:

I replaced it, tamped it very lightly for evenness, gave it a good blast with the Firefox and probably could have let it cool just a bit for a more even roast, but it was a big, tasty lungful. It could have been more even but I think it's just a little more challenging with a screen-covering and I wasn't as careful as I usually am. Worked great as it is, will work better with more care:

 

[SlickHenry]

Thanks @SlickHenry and @coolbreeze
It seemed a stupid question, but when reading it seemed as if the xl had more even extraction hence my question.

Cheers!

Absolutely not a silly question. I've never done such small amounts in the XL so good to see it is possible from the reply from @coolbreeze.

I had no idea of the claim the XL is a more even extractor. Presumably it is to do with the wider cap so more airflow? Instinct would be that is negligible and mainly apply if you are fully loading. I often stir between hits on the XL to make it even more consistent.

Personally I would still stand by my advice that if you are looking for a microdoser to go for the OG. The obvious feature of the XL is the larger bowl. If you are not going to be utilising that save yourself some money and get the OG.

 

[coolbreeze]

Absolutely not a silly question. I've never done such small amounts in the XL so good to see it is possible from the reply from @coolbreeze.

I had no idea of the claim the XL is more even extracting.

Generally, I think so.

Presumably it is to do with the wider cap so more airflow?

Exactly. This and the relative depth vs the breadth of the load.

Instinct would be that is negligible and mainly apply if you are fully loading.

You're correct here too. Evenness with the OG is tougher the more you fill it; also with the XL if you really fill it. But this shouldn't discourage anyone because this overstates the problem to illustrate the point.

Personally I would still stand by my advise that if you are looking for a microdoser to go for the OG. The obvious feature of the XL is the larger bowl. If you are not going to be utilising that save yourself some money and get the OG.

I think you're right here, too. I went ahead and tested just in case it was a matter of wanting mostly microdosing with the occasional big bowl. But maybe the OG back-to-back would be a better solution there.

 

[Kozzmozz]

An again, thanks my friends. FC does not disappoint, I get a full documented research on the microdose capabilities!

Cheers mates.

Edit: maybe one more question: do the tips fit dynavap stems?

 

[Mndeadhead]

dumb question...i know that the tips fit into Dynavap stuff, but what about the o-rings? should they be compatible? I ask because I feel like putting these tips back on any stem - the native one included seems to mangle my o-rings, regardless of how much i lube them up for putting them in a stem. i was hoping the dynapvap o rings would work, because i have a ton of them, but they seem to maybe be a bit thick? Or is that just a feature? Is Camouflet the only place to get the replacement rings from? being in the states, it would be nice to have options. getting to the point where i want this to live on a cannabis hardware dynavap adaptor for my haze pipe, but just can't get a proper fit on anything.

 

[coolbreeze]

An again, thanks my friends. FC does not disappoint, I get a full documented research on the microdose capabilities!

Cheers mates.

Edit: maybe one more question: do the tips fit dynavap stems?

Yes, they do. Iirc the standard DV condenser setup fits the convector stems as well.

dumb question...i know that the tips fit into Dynavap stuff, but what about the o-rings? should they be compatible? I ask because I feel like putting these tips back on any stem - the native one included seems to mangle my o-rings, regardless of how much i lube them up for putting them in a stem. i was hoping the dynapvap o rings would work, because i have a ton of them, but they seem to maybe be a bit thick? Or is that just a feature? Is Camouflet the only place to get the replacement rings from? being in the states, it would be nice to have options. getting to the point where i want this to live on a cannabis hardware dynavap adaptor for my haze pipe, but just can't get a proper fit on anything.

My biggest problem is losing them. Whenever I pull the tip out of a stem I have to check to see the the orings came with it. They and the condenser orings are the low point of these vapes, I feel. No biggy, just something to be aware of.

 

[Mndeadhead]

Yes, they do. Iirc the standard DV condenser setup fits the convector stems as well.

My biggest problem is losing them. Whenever I pull the tip out of a stem I have to check to see the the orings came with it. They and the condenser orings are the low point of these vapes, I feel. No biggy, just something to be aware

Yes, they do. Iirc the standard DV condenser setup fits the convector stems as well.

My biggest problem is losing them. Whenever I pull the tip out of a stem I have to check to see the the orings came with it. They and the condenser orings are the low point of these vapes, I feel. No biggy, just something to be aware of.

Good to know I am not alone. Once the adaptor gets delivered, i doubt i will be swapping it out much, so once i get it seated, should be good. I just have to prepare myself mentally for the fact that i likely have a little bulge coming out the side that wont affect performance, just my anal retentiveness.

As always, thanks for the insight Coolbreeze. You never fail to share your knowledge with the community.

 

[coolbreeze]

I can usually work them into the right place with a little wax and humid breaths into the stem, fwiw. Anyhow, hope you enjoy the adapter. I have one with an OG and one with an XL--permanently. ; )

 

[Mndeadhead]

I can usually work them into the right place with a little wax and humid breaths into the stem, fwiw. Anyhow, hope you enjoy the adapter. I have one with an OG and one with an XL--permanently. ; )

Didn't know the steamy breath on the stem trick - will gave that a try. that lil pipe turns out to be quite handy. i have my anvil WPA sitting in one of the 18mm adaptors, and a temptest head on a dyna adaptor already. its breathed new life into a lot of my old torch driven devices.

 

[coolbreeze]

Didn't know the steamy breath on the stem trick - will gave that a try. that lil pipe turns out to be quite handy. i have my anvil WPA sitting in one of the 18mm adaptors, and a temptest head on a dyna adaptor already. its breathed new life into a lot of my old torch driven devices.

These things are all a lot of fun. Desktop ballvapes are great, but sometimes this is where it's at: a small ballvape on a stem. Ballvape or not, it's hard to overstate what a great experience the XL is on a WPA. : )

 

[SlickHenry]

These things are all a lot of fun. Desktop ballvapes are great, but sometimes this is where it's at: a small ballvape on a stem. Ballvape or not, it's hard to overstate what a great experience the XL is on a WPA. : )

Still to use the XL on glass. Out of interest why would you take it off the stem and fit on a dedicated WPA?

The stem fits a 14mm female joint already, right? I think I read somewhere they recommended to remove the cooling insert to improve airflow if using with a bubbler. Is that what you mean?

I too noticed the o rings do move very easily so wanted to minimise the times I move them.

 

[Mndeadhead]

Still to use the XL on glass. Out of interest why would you take it off the stem and fit on a dedicated WPA?

The stem fits a 14mm female joint already, right? I think I read somewhere they recommended to remove the cooling insert to improve airflow if using with a bubbler. Is that what you mean?

I too noticed the o rings do move very easily so wanted to minimise the times I move them.

you are correct that it fits on glass with no issues. its just awully damn tall when I am using it on my haze pipe, and for $20, its an easy solve. ive used it through glass with no issues, but i have just found that I like my torch driven vapes better thru my blaze

 

[SlickHenry]

you are correct that it fits on glass with no issues. its just awully damn tall when I am using it on my haze pipe, and for $20, its an easy solve. ive used it through glass with no issues, but i have just found that I like my torch driven vapes better thru my blaze

Ah gotcha. Also thinking about it you need to remove the tip to then remove the insert.

It is much easier to just use the tip on a WPA then back to the stem if you want to use it natively. Saves messing around with removing the insert each time.

 

[coolbreeze]

Still to use the XL on glass. Out of interest why would you take it off the stem and fit on a dedicated WPA?

The stem fits a 14mm female joint already, right? I think I read somewhere they recommended to remove the cooling insert to improve airflow if using with a bubbler. Is that what you mean?

No real advantage over the stem with condenser removed, just a lower profile, sexy wood. May fit some glass easier.

I too noticed the o rings do move very easily so wanted to minimise the times I move them.

Yeah, the WPAs were a no-brainer for me, I rarely use it on a stem, so I got the WPAs and caps/tips for them. My original ones are on the stems and I do occasionally stick those in a pipe, but mostly it's native with those.

 

[zeebudz]

I often use the Convector XL for micro dosing. Here's 0.05 grams, single heat extraction with a torch:

 

[RedZep]

No real advantage over the stem with condenser removed, just a lower profile, sexy wood. May fit some glass easier.

Yeah, the WPAs were a no-brainer for me, I rarely use it on a stem, so I got the WPAs and caps/tips for them. My original ones are on the stems and I do occasionally stick those in a pipe, but mostly it's native with those.

On that note. Where did you get that wooden WPA I've seen you use on the CXL?

 

[coolbreeze]

On that note. Where did you get that wooden WPA I've seen you use on the CXL?

I got those from them, here's the cocobolo:

Exotic Wood WPA

These beautiful Cocobolo Wood Water Piece Attachments are compatible with the Convector Chamber, Convector XL Chamber and 3rd party 8mm parts. The WPAs are plain wood pieces without any lining inside the bore. *Each piece is handmade, so the grain, color, and finish may vary from the images...

camouflet.com

I guess they only made one round of the olive?

 

[zeebudz]

(snip)

I guess they only made one round of the olive?

This is the guy's website who made them: https://treeshardwarecorner.com/

He has also posted on reddit a tantalizing modular stem system that is coming soon.

https://www.reddit.com/r/vaporents/comments/1hhhuhm

 

[coolbreeze]

This is the guy's website who made them: https://treeshardwarecorner.com/

He has also posted on reddit a tantalizing modular stem system that is coming soon.

https://www.reddit.com/r/vaporents/comments/1hhhuhm

Nice!

 

[RedZep]

How is the cooling on the XL stem? The ceramic insert is a novel idea, and seems to keep the airflow wide open. How does it compare in cooling to other stems like the Revolve or Simrell stems for example?

 

[TedJones]

How is the cooling on the XL stem? The ceramic insert is a novel idea, and seems to keep the airflow wide open. How does it compare in cooling to other stems like the Revolve or Simrell stems for example?

Just revisited after trying a couple times when I first got it. I think it cools and works pretty well tbh with ceramic and simplistic design. 1/2ish bowl, one heat up, and a few nice drags until spent. It does have a little resistance which is good for the wide open head airflow. My wood stem with straight metal condenser was a little more harsh.

 

[Cacahuates]

I got one of these babies incoming. Do you need to clean before use? I always want to just fire up new purchases after waiting for them in the mail.