RedZep

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Just had my first bowl

Looks great. However i'm abit confused. I expected it would need another couple of heat cycles, as the produced vapour does not match the bowl size and level of extraction. Is this thing cooking the herb while it heats? I used the wand for 14 blinks.

EDIT, well the effects are hitting me now, and it does feel like I just did 0.2g for sure. The airflow on this thing on the stem is incredible. I've never seen a portable with that much open airflow before. It will stay in my line up for that reason alone tbh.
 
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coolbreeze

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Just had my first bowl

Looks great. However i'm abit confused. I expected it would need another couple of heat cycles, as the produced vapour does not match the bowl size and level of extraction. Is this thing cooking the herb while it heats? I used the wand for 14 blinks.

EDIT, well the effects are hitting me now, and it does feel like I just did 0.2g for sure. The airflow on this thing on the stem is incredible. I've never seen a portable with that much open airflow before. It will stay in my line up for that reason alone tbh.
I usually go a few rounds on it. I let it cool a bit from glowing and then kind of use my breath to mitigate the blast of heat and then coax more when the heat has begun to drop. With the XL you can fully extract without unevenness or going overly dark, but there's nothing wrong with getting it all at once either. Was your avb even to the bottom of the bowl?
 

RedZep

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I usually go a few rounds on it. I let it cool a bit from glowing and then kind of use my breath to mitigate the blast of heat and then coax more when the heat has begun to drop. With the XL you can fully extract without unevenness or going overly dark, but there's nothing wrong with getting it all at once either. Was your avb even to the bottom of the bowl?
I prefer one and done. I just had the impression this vape didn't do that. This makes me happy.

I forgot to check the whole bowl for extraction. I'll experiment with my next bowl. I will have to wait a bit because I had two full bowls back to back.
 

coolbreeze

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I prefer one and done. I just had the impression this vape didn't do that. This makes me happy.

I forgot to check the whole bowl for extraction. I'll experiment with my next bowl. I will have to wait a bit because I had two full bowls back to back.
Nice. Then I will instead go a little harder next time and see if I can replicate your success. ; ) Glad you're enjoying it!
 
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SlickHenry

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Just had my first bowl

Looks great. However i'm abit confused. I expected it would need another couple of heat cycles, as the produced vapour does not match the bowl size and level of extraction. Is this thing cooking the herb while it heats? I used the wand for 14 blinks.

EDIT, well the effects are hitting me now, and it does feel like I just did 0.2g for sure. The airflow on this thing on the stem is incredible. I've never seen a portable with that much open airflow before. It will stay in my line up for that reason alone tbh.
I usually extract in 2 or 3 hits using the wand but I am a cautious user!. One thing to be careful with is to ensure you only heat the very top of the tip otherwise you do risk cooking the material.

Looking at your photo I get the impression that maybe you are heating the whole bowl? I just do 12-14 blinks only on the very tip and then 2 with the whole bowl. My ABV is much lighter than yours and I get huge clouds.

Maybe worth experimenting more 🥳
 
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RedZep

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I usually extract in 2 or 3 hits using the wand. One thing to be careful with is to ensure you only heat the very top of the tip otherwise you do risk cooking the material.

Looking at your photo I get the impression that maybe you are heating the whole bowl? I just do 12-14 blinks only on the very tip and then 2 with the whole bowl. My ABV is much lighter than yours and I get huge clouds.

Maybe worth experimenting more 🥳
Yeah I put it all the way in. I'll try just the tip thanks.

EDIT. This was the problem. Just tried heating just the tip. Got much more vapour. My first bowls were also too smooth indicating induction and cooking the herb before drawing.

It'd a bit tricky holding the device at the correct depth on the wand. An adaptor would be much better.
 
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SlickHenry

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Yeah I put it all the way in. I'll try just the tip thanks.

EDIT. This was the problem. Just tried heating just the tip. Got much more vapour. My first bowls were also too smooth indicating induction and cooking the herb before drawing.

It'd a bit tricky holding the device at the correct depth on the wand. An adaptor would be much better.
Really glad it helped. Yeah, you only want to heat the plates which are in the top of the tip. It is a bit of a fiddle getting the depth right but you should get the hang of it.

I tried cutting a cork but I found it started to burn where it came into contact with the tip and also prevented deeper insertion for the two final blinks, which really encourages vapor.
 

RedZep

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After alot more use, I find I don't like the stem actually. I can't tell if it's too open or restricted. Either way, too much draw force is required for my tastes. However, many may not agree.

The CL head and cap on a j-hook or bubbler is AAA though. Airflow, taste being exceptional.

I'm finding it does suit multiple heat cycle extraction. I have too many devices more suited for OHE, so I don't mind adding a temp stepper to my rotation.
 

bridgesoid

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After alot more use, I find I don't like the stem actually. I can't tell if it's too open or restricted. Either way, too much draw force is required for my tastes. However, many may not agree.

The CL head and cap on a j-hook or bubbler is AAA though. Airflow, taste being exceptional.

I'm finding it does suit multiple heat cycle extraction. I have too many devices more suited for OHE, so I don't mind adding a temp stepper to my rotation.
In my personal experience and when asking friends not accustomed to vaping (vapor is drier than smoke) often on short vapor path devices the diameter of the opening of the mouthpiece has a strong correlation between perceived harshness of vapor (and where the vapor hits your tongue, this effects your olfactory system's perceived taste of terpenes also.

An excellent example of this in practice is the vapman, its a very short vapor path yet friends who are very inexperienced with this plant find it fairly smooth and definitely tasty. If I'm remembering correctly you have a vapman already. So I would recommend trying this before buying a new stem.

Take out the vapman mouthpiece. Take it and the XL stem to a large plumbing or hardware store and find a high quality grommet you can stuff the vapman mouthpiece into and that with some effort/elbow grease you can then jam into the XL stem. You working this grommet in and out for a while will reshape it to better suit the stem and mouthpiece. I coated the interior section of the grommet with stem reclaim for a snug fit and to ensure it doesn't impart any flavor. I would post pictures but I'm not sure how to do so anonymously, my apologies.

The narrow airpath created by the vapman mouthpiece makes the vapor significantly less irritating. Moreover the air path's size means that your pulls are a touch slower to cool your heating element so you can take a couple of quick tokes in succession while remaining in the goldilocks heatzone. This narrow path takes any technique out of inhaling (good and a bad thing, good for when friends who've only smoked joints before come in blind and can get a nice hit easily though). I do this when I'm out and about and want a more joint like experience. A little push from the side pops the mouthpiece assembly out and I'm good for dry/wet rig use.

A question for users.. Camouflet recommends popping the cooling unit out for running through glass.. I've tried this but I find it easier to one hit extract a large bowl with the CU in the stem (I'm probably overpowering the heater too quickly with it out vs in I guess?).

Has this been the experience of others who use a large flame with the XL? Many thanks in advance :-)

For those posters having issues with the ceramic cooling unit sliding out, painting reclaim on the outer of the orings fixed this issue for me.
 

coolbreeze

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I've used this technique but with a slightly angle so the top and the rim are being hit with the flame. Works great.
I also have used a large Eagle turned all the way up or a Firefox with a med flame blasted it straight down on the top of the cap until it glows, let the color die down, puff away.
 
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