It amazes me how many on a fuckcombustion forum are demanding or concerned with thick clouds. Thick clouds come from combustion, smooth vapor from the best ingredients of flowers does not billow into thick clouds. Most of the vapes being hailed as thick cloud producers are moderate butane torches. The fact is EVERYONE here including MYSELF are past, maybe present, combustion smokers, so feeling smoke = good hit...not needed with a vaporizer...with ascent..pack tight, give the flower time to release its oil in the low vape temps, draw consistent and slow because your intake is not needed to help a leaf burn, and wham! I've had 100 people use my super vapezilla and after a hit, everyone who combusted before in their life says immediately, "I didn't get anything." So I'd let them keep hitting it, til they crushed themselves retarded. Similar to the super vapezilla, This ASCENT has more precise temp control than ur Han Solos, clouds, pax etc. with the exception of the defected ones ( thesoloman wtf is up with that burn off?!), im surprised how many can't get this thing to hit. Read slim's, stick's posts about how to use this thing and wah-lah, works every time.