Arizer Solo

Pipes

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Hi Fernand I tried at 7, yet to want to roll a regular joint, so thanks a lot for the tips!!! I m going to go 7 for a week or 2 and I ll see how it goes from there. Should I grind more finely for best results?

I m also going to force myself to use the e cig. I'm on my third day, hope to go for the long run
I like the attitude. Keep it up, you'll win out.
Have you tried to wait an additional 20 seconds or so after the unit reaches temp? Wait til the light comes back on a second time after reaching the set temperature.
I'm just wondering if you are getting too anxious and the oven is never having enough time to pass the heat to the load correctly. I made this mistake back with the T1.
 

hish

New Member
I like the attitude. Keep it up, you'll win out.
Have you tried to wait an additional 20 seconds or so after the unit reaches temp? Wait til the light comes back on a second time after reaching the set temperature.
I'm just wondering if you are getting too anxious and the oven is never having enough time to pass the heat to the load correctly. I made this mistake back with the T1.

Thanks for the support :)

I usually try to wait minimum 30 seconds after I insert the stem, sometimes I put the stem before it reaches desired temperature and then wait 10 seconds after it gets there.

I also discovered that 2/3 of a stem bowl is enough and gets vaped more evenly. I don't think I'll be getting any screen as so little amount gets through.

Can't wait til my taste buds get better... ;)
 

OF

Well-Known Member
Opened up the battery on a 3/14 unit from awesome dealer. Whats the little green strip doing i cant get any difference in measurement? I put a watt meter on it both ways and have awesome data. Charges at 0.86a just like OF posted.

Under power it bounces around 2.8a first spike then mellows down slowly 2.5....2.1....1.5....0.35. back up to 1.5a. Seems to jump around as the heater turns on and off. My watt meter is a low quality tool so these are just fun hobby style measurements. I love playing with stuff. A vaporizer is just another toy/tool. Not trying to be a jerk or bog the thread down with useless info to the average dude looking to buy a vape. The Solo kicks butt i would recommend it to anyone.

Awesome report, thanks very much. It confirms the suspicion that the new version is basically the same beast with different software. No magic or major changes. That's basically what I found on the 3 or 4 'original style' units I hacked into.

The little green strip is the protection circuit PCB (it's just upside down, the fun stuff is under it). You can see it in the photo below. Under normal conditions you should not measure anything by way of drops. In the event of a problem (battery failure, over or under charge) the circuit springs into action and disconnects stuff from each other, that's when you see differences. Good observation. BTW, having built a couple of packs with new PCB I can warn you you need to 'prime' or turn the board on (it starts out in protect mode since the 'batteries' start at zero Volts as seen by the board (before you connect the batteries). It's in fault mode before installation, you need to charge the battery first after installation (even if it's fully charged) before you can discharge. It took me a few tries (and two different PCB types) to figure that out.......

Folks should know that the current strings above also reverse directions. That is while that 2.5 Amps (only when cold, decreases as the metal in the heater changes resistance with heat) comes out of the battery to heat, the .8 Amps from the charger 'goes the other way' (recharging the battery) when the heater is coasting. The net gain, over the session, is about zero. You put it in but within a minute you've taken it back out.

The old PA scheme provides the full power from outside, the battery isn't involved. In fact you can take it out and still run PA mode, unlike the new one. In the new design when the battery dies, the unit is useless until it's replaced.

Thanks for the great post.

Edit: Just read OF's comment about this. Kinda similar to what Im saying

Similar, perhaps, but IMO a different 'take' on the theme. And very well expressed. Very useful.

Even if it was more nearly identical I still think it's a great contribution to the topic. People are all different, sometimes a 'slightly different way of putting it' easily gets the point across to the reader where prior attempts have failed outright. And that, communication of the idea to the next guy, is the whole reason for communication. The only measure of success is the passing on of the idea.

Thanks very much. Such efforts help our fellows even if most of them don't notice it..........

Do you guys ever wonder whether or not its safe to use the solo upside down for like 3 hours when using a bubbler and on level 7? .
Under a critical battery failure scenario I'm pretty sure the batteries would just start to vent. Not sure what kind of stress they would have to be under to actually explode and make the Solo a frag grenade or something.

As usual, the Q man has his finger right on it. Normally any heat generated in the battery area is routinely removed by cold air around the outside of the oven (in the vent holes on the cap), up the inside and out the vents on the bottom (now top while inverted). This also cools the walls of the outer tube (aluminum) so heat conduction down it is under control. Inside is about as warm as the outside since the metal is thin at that point, so 'warmer, but not hot' is the deal?

These types definitely vent, you can see the openings around the positive end. Basically none ever do, there are too many levels of protection. There's also a thermal switch (60C) that shuts the show down long before anything inside can boil, it's the white thing:


The only way to make a bomb out if it is to seal up the vents, defeat the safety switch and really abuse them. Or maybe throw it in the campfire? But unless you seal it up first, even that won't make it a bomb.

Not to worry, as Q man suggests, it just gets in the way of your enjoying it.

OF
 

fernand

Well-Known Member
@OF you've been doing this for a while, and your head is intact, and I appreciate that. Can you explain why you think the specific Konstruktion of the SS pad that the Volcano Volk sell is superior to a random fine Stainless Steel wool, or any number of home-made topologies e.g. SS Wool with the wires aligned to be pointed at the oven floor, and clipped, or ? What exactly do you think the S&B pad improves and how?

Second question if you allow. Do you find that with that S&B SS pad material in a Solo there is zero metallic taste, at all times and at all temps?

Third. If used with a clear CO2 oil or best BHO, does the pad if used in a Solo need to be torched? How often? Why?

Thanks!
 
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OF

Well-Known Member
Sorry, I scanned back a few pages but missed it.

No need to apologize, you are to be commended for having looked IMO. Searching on the show name works. You might start at post 25080, IIRC there's a video link there following it (I don't watch the show so I didn't pay much attention).

Can you explain why you think the specific Konstruktion of the SS pad that the Volcano Volk sell is superior to a random fine Stainless Steel wool, or any number of home-made topologies e.g. SS Wool with the wires aligned to be pointed at the oven floor, and clipped, or ? What exactly do you think the S&B pad improves and how?

Second question if you allow. Do you find that with that S&B SS pad material in a Solo there is zero metallic taste, at all times and at all temps?

Third. If used with a clear CO2 oil or best BHO, does the pad if used in a Solo need to be torched? How often? Why?

I have before, but to repeat the pad is made from small, uniform round wire. Not random shavings. We can assume (I think safely) that they researched optimum size. But round has the lowest surface area for volume (therefore lowest heat transfer to uselessly heating the metal rather than making vapor). It also tends to stay cleaner, being largely self cleaning. There's also the shedding issue and material safety in there. This (heat transfer) also favors SS over most metals as it has a lower 'specific heat' (heat per pound per degree) and lower conductivity than most metals.

I won't say zero (and neither should anyone, IMO), but I don't find any objectionable taste. It's an individual call. One thing sure, in 'blind testing' hot SS is going to be less and issue than Brass........ No oxide scuffing for openers.

I torch screens and pads when they get fouled. That depends on lots of things, it's just an easy and fast way to clean, there are others. When you decide to clean (and how you do it) is a personal call IMO. You see lots of 'dirty' stems being bragged up around here.

OF
 

Pipes

Addicted DIY Enthusiast
Accessory Maker
First off, welcome to the fun.
That is just normal clear piping. You would find it very rigid with little give to flex over anything. I suppose it would be safe enough if away from the oven heat but not really for what is needed.
I know the proper high temperature is a little dear to buy specially with shipping. What you can do is go to your local medical supply outlet, usually located close to a major pharmacy, (where they sell/rent wheel chairs, medical aids etc.) and ask for their silicon tubing. Not always on display but can get it. It is the yellowish looking stuff. Not a really high temp rating but much better than the plumbing tubing and is very flexible. Comes in a couple sizes. 1/2" ID is good.
Good luck and most of all, have fun!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Clear-Tra...t=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item3f240bef84 If I got 13mm internal diameter do you think it would still fit on the 14mm stem?

Now that sure looks like the high temp stuff. I do not see a rating though. Pretty expensive once you populate the fields for the correct size which indicates the "good stuff". You could contact the seller and ask.?
 
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Dr. Soxhlet

SOLO Vaporized Cannabis is my Best Medicine
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OF

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It probably won't kill you, but I'd look around for something medical grade. The problem is this stuff off gasses, especially when new.

Excellent advice. I guess it all outgasses a bit no matter, but unless it's medical grade the catalyst used that's a problem. Of course, health issues aside, the most attractive catalysts to use are not cool for us.

The missing spec, as Pipes points out, is the temperature one. Not all silicone tube is rated for high temperatures. That part is important to us if we want to be able to not worry about it as we use it.

My favorite tube is this stuff:

http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23884&catid=799

You have to buy ten feet, but it's cheap and has a long shelf life. I discard whips and stuff like that when it gets stained or otherwise unpleasant. It's easy for me to pitch out a dollar or two's worth of gear that's given good service and is simply worn out. Great peace of mind knowing there's no hidden dangers.

OF
 

Newcastle

Stoned!
I got the OK from my financial adviser that I could purchase a Solo. I kissed her and she went off to work.:love: Here is where things derail...lol..At no point do I blame anyone but myself and I love to tell on myself when I do something stupid....Here we go. I ordered through PIU and used the SOLOVC code for the Solo and vapecase for 190....Here is the ooops. I added another case thinking I picked the Solo now pick my case. It automatically adds the case. So been chatting a little this morning with customer service and I have faith one way or another it will get fixed. I just wanted to say two things...One don't add the case it will do it for you and the other was ......IM GETTING A SOLO!:rockon:and two cases if it shipped already.:shrug:
 

Dr. Soxhlet

SOLO Vaporized Cannabis is my Best Medicine
I got the OK from my financial adviser that I could purchase a Solo. I kissed her and she went off to work.:love: Here is where things derail...lol..At no point do I blame anyone but myself and I love to tell on myself when I do something stupid....Here we go. I ordered through PIU and used the SOLOVC code for the Solo and vapecase for 190....Here is the ooops. I added another case thinking I picked the Solo now pick my case. It automatically adds the case. So been chatting a little this morning with customer service and I have faith one way or another it will get fixed. I just wanted to say two things...One don't add the case it will do it for you and the other was ......IM GETTING A SOLO!:rockon:and two cases if it shipped already.:shrug:
Well, I guess you'll have the jump on it for your 2nd Solo. :lol:
I need another one!! Two would make life even better!
First hit of the day. Fresh blueberry bud. AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! !:smug:
 

stickstones

Vapor concierge
ataxian, old comrade.. i am in agreement with you on this one.
I still LOVE my solos. I have one that is two years in service.
The community loves their solos also.
Now all of a sudden, people are paranoid about accepting solos, and are getting other vapes instead.
"Is it an old one or a new one?" you can hear them nervously ask, when someone is passing along a Solo.
When someone talks of ordering one, they then ask the same questions, and try to keep a step ahead by figuring a sequential logic to serial numbers!
I stopped "watching" this thread many months back.
I love my solo, and all of it's wonderful accessories from PV and Eds.
The Solo thread was too active. Too busy to keep up with....
and then that thing happened.
"is it an old one or a new one?"
ataxian said what I have been feeling. Funny thing is, it was the first post I landed on when I decided to check in on this thread!

I am not disrespecting anyone here or the Solo either.
I am questioning the logic behind fixing something that works fine right now.
(new vaporist friends already have heard the hype, and already covet my original solos!!);)

The funny thing is, in this case I actually prefer the older ones...I wouldn't let go of my ceramic bowl Solo with Centizen's battery and Ed's stem for anything!
 

Darkl3lade

New Member
Excellent advice. I guess it all outgasses a bit no matter, but unless it's medical grade the catalyst used that's a problem. Of course, health issues aside, the most attractive catalysts to use are not cool for us.

The missing spec, as Pipes points out, is the temperature one. Not all silicone tube is rated for high temperatures. That part is important to us if we want to be able to not worry about it as we use it.

My favorite tube is this stuff:

http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23884&catid=799

You have to buy ten feet, but it's cheap and has a long shelf life. I discard whips and stuff like that when it gets stained or otherwise unpleasant. It's easy for me to pitch out a dollar or two's worth of gear that's given good service and is simply worn out. Great peace of mind knowing there's no hidden dangers.

OF
Thanks! :) Would a 1/2inch inner diameter tube fit fine on the solo?
 

GetToTheChoppa

Well-Known Member
The net gain, over the session, is about zero. You put it in but within a minute you've taken it back out.
Thats exactly what i was wondering!! I would guess the net gain is actually a loss.

I plan to vaporize a bowl with the watt meter hooked up. Will get a rough idea how often and how long the heater draws power from the battery during a normal session at level 3-4.

How do the chemicals inside the 2.2a Lithium Ion battery react to such a situation? Switching from a 0.86a charge, to a 1-2a load, back and forth several times a minute. Its like the chemicals never get a chance to stabilize and flow in one direction. Do they get "confused and tired"? Im picturing the Levi jeans commercial with two horses pulling in opposite directions.
 

OF

Well-Known Member
It automatically adds the case. So been chatting a little this morning with customer service and I have faith one way or another it will get fixed. I just wanted to say two things...One don't add the case it will do it for you and the other was ......IM GETTING A SOLO!and two cases if it shipped already.
Well, I guess you'll have the jump on it for your 2nd Solo.

Exactly so. Looks like a clear sign from the vape gods to me.......I sure wouldn't risk ignoring it.

Maybe you're being encouraged to get a silver one too? Go with your feelings here......the wife will understand when you explain it's for a holy cause......

Thanks! :) Would a 1/2inch inner diameter tube fit fine on the solo?

Yer welcome. Yup, half inch works great for me.

There's a trick to tighten up slightly loose tube in such cases, wrap a couple layers of tape on the outside over the part of the tube over the stem. Once compressed a tiny bit it grabs well.

OF
 

Quetzalcoatl

DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
I will be without the solo for a bit i sent it back on rma for the base cracking within a month of owning it :/
This is a known issue and we've come up with fixes for it. Basically you add a washer under the screws so that the force is distributed along the washers, and then add some felt to the bottom (with the appropriate holes cut out) so that the screws don't scratch whatever the Solo stands on.
 
This is a known issue and we've come up with fixes for it. Basically you add a washer under the screws so that the force is distributed along the washers, and then add some felt to the bottom (with the appropriate holes cut out) so that the screws don't scratch whatever the Solo stands on.

Good to know for the next one but having it crack how it did within a month and having it stored in a shock proof case + being extremely careful with it is not acceptable for me. On the plus side arizer support was very nice and waived shipping.
 

OF

Well-Known Member
Thats exactly what i was wondering!! I would guess the net gain is actually a loss.

How do the chemicals inside the 2.2a Lithium Ion battery react to such a situation? Switching from a 0.86a charge, to a 1-2a load, back and forth several times a minute. Its like the chemicals never get a chance to stabilize and flow in one direction. Do they get "confused and tired"? Im picturing the Levi jeans commercial with two horses pulling in opposite directions.

I managed to convince myself from the pre change numbers it depends on what heat level (and therefore duty cycle). I decided I'd about break even at step 4 based on the on and off times I see on mine. Good luck with the investigation, please let us know what you find? TIA

I've never talked to the chemicals to see how they like it. In theory secondary batteries (like these) work either way (they basically plate metal or corrode it away again). One side says 'this could be part of a cycle' (where purity will kill it eventually) the other side points to an old time plater trick, 'reflex plating' where a small fraction typically 5 or 10% of the time the current is intentionally reversed stripping off 'the high points' on the surface giving a better finish. Silverware is usually plated this way, as are light reflectors and such.

Some battery charges also use 'reflex', but the advantages are less clear. Such chargers are sure to have been tried with Li-ions, I think it's reasonable to assume it doesn't present and advantage of makers would do it?

OF
 
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Dr. Soxhlet

SOLO Vaporized Cannabis is my Best Medicine
I will be without the solo for a bit i sent it back on rma for the base cracking within a month of owning it :/
Yeah, that's one of the weird minor problems with this unit. My last one did that, my new one has done it too; in just a couple of weeks. I had thought of putting velcro on the bottom of the unit to protect it, but it was never abused or dropped, so I doubt if it would have helped.
I just ignore that though, if the thing works I'll just keep using it.
If I ever have it apart(maybe to replace the batteries); I'll put the washers on then.
 
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