Firewood Vaporizer

JCat

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So the Firewood X has definitely caught my attention (especially that I'm using flower these days not concentrate). I do have some questions though ....

There seems to be mention of a 1/2" bowl as well as the 3/8" bowl ... but don't see any mention of this on the Firewood site; so a little confused there. Does the FW X take capsules as well or have they gone back to their traditional non-capsule system only?

Thanks!
 
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There seems to be mention of a 1/2" bowl as well as the 3/8" bowl ... but don't see any mention of this on the Firewood site; so a little confused there.
That's just one member's confusing way of talking about the shape of the bowl. Mine has no pronounced taper really at all.
Does the FW X take capsules as well or have they gone back to their traditional non-capsule system only?
Yes, thankfully it is very much like the FW7 bowl. I never wanted to mess with removable chambers or capsules so I skipped those.
 
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I'd argue the person who makes the thing is more than merely a "member".
I have never seen Marc call anything "3/8 and 1/2 heating chambers." I have however seen one member talk a lot about their own experience with non-firewood dosing capsules .
 
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Octavia

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I have never seen Marc call anything "3/8 and 1/2 heating chambers." I have however seen one member talk a lot about their own experience with non-firewood dosing capsules .
They actually were mentioned earlier. I believe the initial FWX had the tapered oven chamber (3/8”?) and the current iteration has the straight chamber. Sounds like @WhyWhyWhy? asked for both chamber types to test out their capsule plan?
 
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I have never seen Marc call anything "3/8 and 1/2 heating chambers." I have however seen one member talk a lot about their own experience with non-firewood dosing capsules .
Was literally in the initial email early adopters got from Marc before the tapered bowl was ditched in favour of the current one, with early adopters being given the option to choose which one they wanted.
 
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Was literally in the initial email early adopters got from Marc before the tapered bowl was ditched in favour of the current one, with early adopters being given the option to choose which one they wanted.
I stand corrected. So that one mentioned in the last few pages was one of those earlier bowls rather than a confusing way of talking about my non-tappered one. Thanks!

@JCat , sounds like you might be able to email Marc if you are looking to deviate from the current standard.
 
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I stand corrected. So that one mentioned in the last few pages was one of those earlier bowls rather than a confusing way of talking about my non-tappered one. Thanks!

@JCat , sounds like you might be able to email Marc if you are looking to deviate from the current standard.
Just dug back through the thread and found the text of the oven size change email (not sure how to link to the post, but email text is quoted in the original post I’m quoting below):

Well it looks like the tapered bowl is no more. I just received this update from Marc regarding the FW X. I opted to wait for the change to be implemented.
 
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That's just one member's confusing way of talking about the shape of the bowl. Mine has no pronounced taper really at all.
:shrug: Upset. Do you really think that I came up with my names 3/8 and 1/2? If you don't know what the point is, ask me and I'll tell you what I meant. All the terms "3/8" and "1/2" are taken from conversation with Mark. The 1/2 bowl is in the shape of an even cylinder, it is suitable for my capsule. The bowl is 3/8 tapering towards the bottom. for the first buyers, it was possible to choose the size of the bowl (heating chamber).

I took a comparative photo of 2 chambers (I bought them just in case) and attached a conversation with Mark:

Also... I was planning on shipping it tomorrow, however I came up with a small last minute change over the weekend and I wanted to give you the choice to wait for that or get your order without the change.

The change is a small tweak to the bowl. I previously said that there would be a taper at the bottom of the bowl to make it easier to unload. I am now thinking it might be better not to have the taper. Basically the taper does seem to make it a little easier to empty however it also means that it uses a 3/8 inch screen instead of a 1/2" like the fw7 did. This seems to add a little bit of draw restriction and also makes the bowl a tiny bit smaller. In addition the screens don't fit as tight and can come loose initially.

I think the tapered bowl might be better for micro dosing, so that may be one reason to prefer the tapered bowl. Otherwise I'd recommend waiting for the un-tapered bowl, which I will be able to ship in a few days, and which will be the normal production version.

Please let me know what you'd prefer. If I don't hear from you I'll ship the un-tapered bowl in a few days.

Thanks,
Marc
 
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I received my FWX back this week, after getting the repairs Marc emailed owners about last month (i.e. the glass oven lid replacement and temperature recalibration). Happy to report a) the oven lid slides easier and b) the new temp calibration is WAY more on point, and brings the performance in line with the FW 7 IMO. For instance, I'm now getting full/solid vapor at 350 degrees, and a darker/complete roast at 430. Plus the pre-heat time required has been reduced from ~10 secs before to like 4-5 secs now.

This case (shown below) also works great with the short Mistvape Beaded glass stem I'm using in the X.

 

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:shrug: Upset. Do you really think that I came up with my names 3/8 and 1/2?

I mean, you did come up with your own interpretation of physics and @Grass Yes referencing your capsule posts means that they saw that...

ETA: and you did want to hack your as yet unseen FATX that was also your first firewood so you could make capsules work. Glad you've gotten your system to work, but yeah...
 
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So, I will describe in more detail my impressions and thoughts about FATX after actual use. This is going to be a long post, sorry. Spoiler : FATX is probably the best vape I've tried!


Warning – this is my personal opinion, I'm not imposing anything on anyone!

Preface – before FATX, I tried many different vapes and left only 2 in my arsenal – one from a well-known company that makes mechanical vapes with a click and the second electronic from a well-known Finnish company.

For me, these are top-class devices, due to the absence of plastic, but the main thing is the ability to work at high temperatures. This ranges from 220 °C and is capable of heating a flower up to 260 °C to the verge of pyrolysis, or even higher (for a short time).

Most plastic vapes have an upper threshold of 220 °C, and I think this is no coincidence, because heating up higher carries the risk of melting the device.

In addition, vaping at high temperatures is stigmatized (in my opinion) and is most often perceived as something not very useful, close to gorenje. I don't want to start a debate on this here, but I'm just trying to make my approach to choosing a vape clear.

PERSONALLY, MY EXPERIENCE suggests that vaping is best suited for me in one session with a single high-temperature heating to 240-260 ° C with a microdose of 0.02 grams of flower (high-quality raw materials) and one long puff. Lower temperatures lead to the need to increase the number of flowers by about 5 times (!!), and the effect is very fast in duration and there is a constant need to vape over and over again.

I do not know why it works this way, but I have repeatedly realized for myself that if a blow is needed, then you need to heat as quickly as possible to the verge of pyrolysis. At the same time, there will be no taste at all, that's right. But it will have a strong and lasting effect!

Given my extreme preferences, the capsules help me accurately measure the amount of material loaded into the capsule by weight, and standardize the amount of substance for each time. Like in a pharmacy))

Also, because I have a very low tolerance threshold, if I overdo it a little bit, I might really regret it, so I'm a microdozer.

Before testing FATX, I had doubts that it would suit me.…After all, his temperature has a limit of 226 °C. But also, I found out that it has an "unregulated heating" mode, which was the main hope.

Tests FATX. So, last night I used 3 metal capsules of 0.02 grams each. I set the task to figure out if this device is for me or not. To do this, it must be tested at maximum temperatures, which is why I made the preface above. I immediately decided to warm up for at least 30 seconds, considering that it takes longer to heat the metal capsule .

1) The first capsule was heated at a maximum of 226 °C (440 Fahrenheit). I pressed the heating button and after the "heated" signal, I held the button for 30 seconds and then started pulling, the puff was for 10-15 seconds, after which I turned off FATX. I immediately felt the beginning effect, which was average in strength and lasted about 15 minutes and then began to decline. The flower in the capsule was dark gold in color. I was a little dissatisfied with the result... I realized that the effect started out great, but it didn't last very long. The realization was maturing in my head that this level of heating was not mine…I started going through the list of friends to whom I can resell my FATX)))))

2) 30 minutes after the first capsule, I started warming the second capsule with 0.02 grams. But already in an unregulated power mode. I pressed the heating button 4 times and 5 more times and started holding it, I held the button for 30 seconds and then started pulling, removing my finger from the button. The puff lasted 10-15 seconds. I didn't feel much of an effect, it just "lifted" me up. The flower in the capsule was on the verge of pyrolysis.

3) 30 minutes after the second capsule, I began to heat the third capsule with 0.02 grams in an unregulated power mode, but WITHOUT RELEASING the heating BUTTON all the time while I take a puff. HE PULLED SLOWLY. The puff lasted 10-15 seconds. The flower in the capsule was on the verge of pyrolysis (pictured).


And here the unexpected began.... A strong effect has begun. . I muttered "oh oh oh" for about 20 minutes...... I started walking quickly across my lawn (it's common when I'm very "hot") and already started thinking about the following methods of sobering up -drinking tea or fizzy drink with vitamin C. I realized that I had received an unexpectedly strong effect, which I would rate as a "6" on a 5-point system, where "5" means "I feel good and don't need more yet," and "8" means "I'm afraid I'm going to pass out now."

After 20 minutes, the unpleasant manifestations of the effect went away and a stable, strong, pleasant and relaxing buzz effect came... the effect was so good that my mood probably improved significantly for the first month, and the nervousness that accompanied me all day evaporated. ..I had a delicious meal and then blissfully lay on the couch, enjoying those strong warm notes of the effect. Taking dinner did not bring down the effect, and moreover, the effect began to increase, and even after almost 2 hours (!!) I just lay on the couch realizing that I was very hot and I no longer needed to use the flower today))) the 4th capsule, which I charged into FATX just in case -so and she stayed lying in it. I took a picture of the FATX today with this unused capsule inside.


Thus, FATX is added to my top three devices! It is definitely in the first or second place in this top three in terms of effect strength, and in terms of convenience - in the first!

Summary of FATX Strengths :

1) The ability to operate at high temperatures to maximize the effect! It can be heated above 220 ° C , or 170 ° C to enjoy the taste.
2) Top-class performance! It can deliver a powerful blow at high temperatures, which will incapacitate you for a couple of hours (which is a very long time) or will please you with a taste at low temperature. At the same time, the Molicel P 30B accumulator shows 4 vibration tones at the end of the evening, that is, the maximum charge level (?!)
3) Lightweight and compact!! My other 2 top devices are one very heavy...,the second requires an induction heater weighing about 400 grams..
4) All-in-one system - there is everything in one small device, including a flower for the whole evening and more!! – not a single vape of my top two can boast of this!
5) Incredibly beautiful, the body is made of REAL wood, and the inner path is made of ceramics and glass!
6) The author's work, the craftiness of the device, excellent support from the manufacturer!
7) The possibility to use metal capsules (but complex modification of the capsule is required)

About the capsules. The capsule works as I planned - the shortened version of the Hyperdyn capsule fits perfectly into the FATX bowl and creates an additional conduction effect, allowing you to keep the bowl of the device CLEAN and control the amount of material used with high precision. But the capsule won't hold much material.. If you have a high tolerance, this will not work for you.

In terms of drawing technique, it solves everything! The temperature level is important, how long you keep warm and how much you pull! I assume that slow intake of air from the heating chamber will enhance the effect. This can be achieved by using the rod from the Dynavap components, when a free volume of air from the rod airport enters the puff, which does not pass through the FATX heating chamber, but is mixed at the outlet, at the mouthpiece. In this case, it turns out that the hot air from the heating chamber comes very slowly, as if it is captured by the flow from the rod airport .This will further enhance the conductive effect, and the temperature in the bowl will remain consistently high, extracting all full-spectrum cannabinoids. That is, you can make a Dynavap-type system, and anyone who uses a Dynavap capacitor that is adjustable in output will understand. But it needs to be checked and experimented with. This is just the thinking of a tireless engineer, even with a standard rod, FATX performs its functions perfectly.

Sorry for the long comment. I hope this will be useful to someone. Buying FATX is one of the best purchases that a lover of "flowers" can make.
 
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JCat

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I know this is somewhere in the thread (sorry), but what day/time exactly do they become available each week?
 
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I lucked into in the evening, but no clue what day or how long it has been up. I saw it was available and ordered as fast as I could. Good move on your part, I love it.

Only 2 complaints: I wish it used rapid charge, and I wish it had a poker tool that slid into the wood body. I would like dosing caps, but not enough to cut them down, and don’t know if I would like them on this. The herb storage on this makes it almost as convenient. I know Marc said only use the built in charger, but I’ve been using external on the FW9, and with the slow charge and rapid battery drain. I’ll be using it on this one too. Tip, if you get the 4 buzzes, put the battery in another device for a few seconds.
 

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I lucked into in the evening, but no clue what day or how long it has been up. I saw it was available and ordered as fast as I could. Good move on your part, I love it.

Only 2 complaints: I wish it used rapid charge, and I wish it had a poker tool that slid into the wood body. I would like dosing caps, but not enough to cut them down, and don’t know if I would like them on this. The herb storage on this makes it almost as convenient. I know Marc said only use the built in charger, but I’ve been using external on the FW9, and with the slow charge and rapid battery drain. I’ll be using it on this one too. Tip, if you get the 4 buzzes, put the battery in another device for a few seconds.
I confirm that it takes a long time to charge the internal charger in Fatx. I didn't believe the 4 vibration signals and put the Fatx on charge. It charged for at least 2 hours and then the LED stopped burning. But is it possible that the charging quality is high?

We wrote above about the modification of the lid-I confirm that the glass in the new lid does not cling to ceramics. I have an old lid, too, and it's clinging. In fatx, the glass in the lid moves slightly. When the lid is closed, the glass can be pushed into the device by a couple of millimeters.

Also, another thought about the mouthpiece is that if you use a mouthpiece with a narrow end (for example, from Hyperdyn), then there will be less smell from the device, because the hole will be very small. This is hello to lovers of high temperatures, like me -there is a smell from the mouthpiece. :rolleyes:And he's unpleasant.
 
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2) 30 minutes after the first capsule, I started warming the second capsule with 0.02 grams. But already in an unregulated power mode. I pressed the heating button 4 times and 5 more times and started holding it, and after the "heated" signal, I held the button for 30 seconds and then started pulling, removing my finger from the button. The puff lasted 10-15 seconds. I didn't feel much of an effect, it just "lifted" me up. The flower in the capsule was on the verge of pyrolysis.
30sec pre-heating in unregulated mode, waouh:o...i never tried that, I'd be afraid of damaging the electronics or the device🙂.
You've found your way, that's fine! enjoy
 
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