kokolokokolokon
Well-Known Member
@Cannabiker That’s true. I was talking about just quality but that is a good point too
SpacelyJetson
Well-Known Member
Lmfao. I said it before if you have the single bore don't ever take it out. Otherwise you'll hate yourself. Just roll/twists some parchment paper and douse it in alcohol and spin it around inside the to clean it. No need to disassemble if you have single bore.Some similar thoughts around here. The condenser is hard af to introduce in the stem. I hope i won’t need to take the condenser off never.
I have to add the tip would be better with something to dispel the heat, since it is a good device to make multiple heatings. The cap gets cold very fast, and that’s nice, but the tip dispel all the heat to the stem, so half stem gets very hot. This wouldn’t be a problem if it is titanium and have a longer size. But it is a short device and made of SS.
It is a relative hard to tame device if you want big hits, but it can be meek if you want some light tasty hits. When you get a big hit it is great and flavorful, but you need a lot of technic to replicate it several times (and no to be super high xddd).
About ih’s: i think the convector works better with an aggresive ih like the wdlx (orion knock off) introducing just the top of the cap to get a fast convection hit. It works with the wand but i feel it is too slow for what the device can offer to you (back to back fast heating hits).
The convector needs a easier stem assembly, stem/tip dissipation and more homogeneous results, but still being a good little device with a very interesting “heater” wich gives good clouds and good flavor from convection in a simple way.
Irrelevant. It is clear the vape needs to be more refined, but being made in china doesn’t make a product have a bad quality and being make in the US doesn’t make the product have a good quality.
Actually i think the B tip from dynavap have a poor quality af, and the stem is cheap and ugly.
It is good not to associate where is made or if it is an artisan product with good product.
Objectivity
The quad bore though. .lmfao. good luck. May the force be with you lol
Choices
Well-Known Member
So I’m not sure this was an advisable choice but I used my Healthy Rips Fury 2 as a heat source and put the Convector in the oven cap and all. Used 385F and would inhale with it sitting in the oven and pull it out of the oven on occasion as well. Works pretty well! Hopefully others might have both on hand and give it a go!
Perfect_Speed4069
I am the beetle in a box that only you can see
This is why this place is so excellent.
DocNicksche
Well-Known Member
After a few days of use and getting the feel of it slightly better, I still like the convector 
Since I only have a Tip and Cap in a dimpled glass stem, I can't comment a lot on build quality... For me and my use it's fine. It's nothing fancy, but it does perform pretty well IMO.
My only real con right now is, that I can't get a even roast through my load
i pack it around 1/2 to 2/3 full and pretty light. Almost no tamp. After about 3 to 5 heat cycles and nice hits (not huge clouds, but also nothing whispy), I end up with a dark brown top while the bottom is almost still green. It helps to stir, but I have to admit, I'm not a fan of stirring and especially not in a bowl as small as this.
Any Tipps from fellow FC members?
For reference, I "Pack" the bowl like I do with my anvil, when I'm not trying to RTL, but get a nice tasty hit from it (yes, that is possible
)...so pretty loose already, I would say.
Since I only have a Tip and Cap in a dimpled glass stem, I can't comment a lot on build quality... For me and my use it's fine. It's nothing fancy, but it does perform pretty well IMO.
My only real con right now is, that I can't get a even roast through my load
i pack it around 1/2 to 2/3 full and pretty light. Almost no tamp. After about 3 to 5 heat cycles and nice hits (not huge clouds, but also nothing whispy), I end up with a dark brown top while the bottom is almost still green. It helps to stir, but I have to admit, I'm not a fan of stirring and especially not in a bowl as small as this.Any Tipps from fellow FC members?
For reference, I "Pack" the bowl like I do with my anvil, when I'm not trying to RTL, but get a nice tasty hit from it (yes, that is possible
)...so pretty loose already, I would say.
Perfect_Speed4069
I am the beetle in a box that only you can see
What kind of torch are you using?
DocNicksche
Well-Known Member
I tried different single jet torches...nothing too big or powerful
...inner blue flame set to appr. 1cm to 1.5cmEdit: I have a ronx dual flame too, that I use for the anvil...but that seems a little overpowered to me
Perfect_Speed4069
I am the beetle in a box that only you can see
Same torch style/length as me. I wonder if draw speed influences extraction? I'm quite gentle in my inhalations/ sips especially after I accidentally combusted by starting my inhalation gently and then over compensating by breathing in too fast/strong.
DocNicksche
Well-Known Member
...valid point!I have to experiment a bit more on this front. ...possible my inhale speed/ force increases over the draw
but I would also say, that I draw pretty slow and constant.Do you get an even roast through your bowl? How far do you take your extraction, in terms of avb color?
Perfect_Speed4069
I am the beetle in a box that only you can see
I'll take a photo when I get home
A reminder to press your Camo cap onto the chamber tight enough to pass the "shake test" before putting it away. @floribud We'll follow up with you via PM.
*TO BE NOTED* - If your cap gets stuck onto the chamber, use a twisting motion to detach the two parts. Do not try to pull or pry them apart with tools risking damage or injury. See video below. Greasy pizza fingers were used during the making of this video.
With Pipes' line of heaters try heating the Convector for 6 seconds max each heat cycle. This has worked well for us with the Portside mini.
When heating the Convector with the wand, we first recommend getting familiar with the heating position of the cap inside the wand coil. The cap mass will engage the heater coil inserted at an angle and not when directly in the middle of the coil. You can test this out by putting just the cap on a wooden toothpick or a similar thin long object and inserting it into the coil. Once the cap is in the coil(does not need to be inserted deep into the coil), tilt it until you see the wand lights change from blinking red to blinking yellow, indicating it is being heated. This is the ideal angle at which you should heat the cap at.I fully admit that it's a fiddly thing to heat it freehand with a Wand. You have to have steady hands to hold it right at the point where the induction heating gets triggered (yellow pulsing on the Wand) and no further so as to just heat the very tip of the cap. I should really just figure out a spacer so I can heat it hands free. That's my *only* (edit, I want a digger tool on the cap too) minor complaint with the Camouflet, otherwise job well done!
You can do the opposite with just the stem and chamber with no cap and test it in the coil. Move it around to get familiar with the angles/insertion depth that engage the chamber. You do NOT want to engage the chamber, we only want to engage the cap.
If you are combusting, you need to shorten heating times on your cycles. The first heat cycle will require the most heat, 10-14 blinks in the wand. Follow up cycles will require much less, 6-9 blinks in the wand.
Here are some additional tips for everyone to read up on:
The Convector works best if the material has some moisture and is not too dry. 58%-62% moisture levels are ideal. As long as it's not crumbly-dry and turning into power it should work fine. Also, the grind consistency should be medium to coarse grind. A fine grind can bunch up in the chamber easily and is more prone to combustion. You can use a fine grind but it requires more skill and closer attention to heating, we don't recommend it.
Make sure not to pack the material in the chamber. You want the material to be loose and "airy" with a good amount of airflow moving through the air path. Try inhaling with the chamber empty and the cap on, this is the same airflow/amount of restriction you want to feel when the chamber has material inside of it. If you're feeling more restriction when the chamber has material in it, it is packed too tight. You can practice heating the Convector empty with no material in it to get familiar with the device. Once familiar, only load the chamber 1/2 full, add more material as you progress and get more comfortable with your technique.
For flame/torch heating, try pointing the flame downwards and heating the top of the cap where the intake holes are located. For the first heat cycle, you can heat this area until the metal housing of the top of the cap starts glowing a yellow/orange color. This takes about 7 seconds. For subsequent draws, you'll want to apply less heat, 4-6 seconds. The material should be completely extracted after 2-4 draws, depending on how much material is in the chamber and heating. You can always remove the cap when cooled and assess the material before reheating.
Correct.
From our first post in the Convector thread:
Sourcing Information:
Stainless Steel - Machining done in China, material certified
Stainless Steel Heating plates - Produced in USA
Ceramics - Produced in USA
Sealing Rings -Sourced from USA Supplier
For those curious, the thin wall requirements for the Camo cap were rejected by several US manufacturers.
Timing/counting is helpful when learning heating techniques with the Convector. After a while, heating and timing become second nature and the ritual more innate. No timing or counting used in the demo video below, instead we rely on visual cues from the changing colors of the cap housing. Approximately 12 second heat-up time in video for those interested.
- Loose and "airy" chamber fill
- 1/2-3/4 full
- Heating only the top of the cap until it gets red hot - spread heat across surface area for best results
- 1-2 seconds cool down from red hot and get ready for take off!
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coolbreeze
Well-Known Member
Thanks for this demo. I tried this method and it works really well. It will change the way I use it.
Sour Dream
Blue Dream enthusiast
Here we have the Cammy Fusion
I was just fuckin around but it actually worked as a wpa lol
I was just fuckin around but it actually worked as a wpa lol
Here we have the Cammy Fusion
I was just fuckin around but it actually worked as a wpa lol
With the right size O-ring the Convector chamber can also be used as a 8mm to 9mm adapter, for anyone looking to get creative with their setups.
Link to the Convector through glass video on the Camouflet Youtube Channel for anyone not able to view the prior link.
Sour Dream
Blue Dream enthusiast
Yea I could definitely see it working without a problem with thicker o rings. I have some but they are too thick.
The tip about aiming the torch at the top made a noticeable difference for me
seriousTone
Well-Known Member
The only thing to do besides stir is to heat the actual bowl part of the tip for the last couple hits. Works very well and at least you still get pure convection hits in the beginning, for the top half of the load.After a few days of use and getting the feel of it slightly better, I still like the convector
Since I only have a Tip and Cap in a dimpled glass stem, I can't comment a lot on build quality... For me and my use it's fine. It's nothing fancy, but it does perform pretty well IMO.
My only real con right now is, that I can't get a even roast through my load
Any Tipps from fellow FC members?
For reference, I "Pack" the bowl like I do with my anvil, when I'm not trying to RTL, but get a nice tasty hit from it (yes, that is possible
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
After a few days of use and getting the feel of it slightly better, I still like the convector
Since I only have a Tip and Cap in a dimpled glass stem, I can't comment a lot on build quality... For me and my use it's fine. It's nothing fancy, but it does perform pretty well IMO.
My only real con right now is, that I can't get a even roast through my load
Any Tipps from fellow FC members?
For reference, I "Pack" the bowl like I do with my anvil, when I'm not trying to RTL, but get a nice tasty hit from it (yes, that is possible
I've been just tapping the cap against something hard and/or holding the cap while shaking the whole stem about halfway through the bowl. It's a crude form of "stirring" without pouring stuff out but it seems to work really well for me. Much more even ABV.
MidwestMelancholy
butane vape enthusiast
well. This right here is outside the box thinking. Was gonna post a review but now I have to try this first.
seriousTone
Well-Known Member
Nice, I'll have to try that
jardri
Vapor Dreams
Thanks a lot guys! i have managed to get kinda consistent hits from the convector.
Unfortunately, i still think this vape is not for me as i want something more consistent and reliable.
Whenever I use it my thought is that this tech (as in the grasshopper) fits much more in a regulated battery operated device and i hope someone implements it in a 510 form factor.
Unfortunately, i still think this vape is not for me as i want something more consistent and reliable.
Whenever I use it my thought is that this tech (as in the grasshopper) fits much more in a regulated battery operated device and i hope someone implements it in a 510 form factor.
Surprisingly this has been the most consistent heating method I have tried. Top layer of flower is extremely dark but has a lighter fade towards the bottom of the bowl with no combustion. Super thick and dense clouds that give a powerful hit. Been having fun playing around with it after shelving it for a while.
MidwestMelancholy
butane vape enthusiast
@Gdash I 100% agree with this!
After using this system fairly consistently after work in the morning before bed (night shift). Imo the learning curve is fairly steep but those techniques make it quite a bit easier. I have found that using a smaller torch helps widen the gray area of perfection and combustion. Bigger torches I found kick harder but definitely require more technique control. Consistency is key for this device and it is quite unforgiving.
1. Fill chamber 3/4 loose with no tamp down or full with a very very light tamp down. Air flow is a big part of this device.
2. pick a lighter that isn't adjustable.
3. pick a spot in the flame to always hold the tip.
4. Heat only the flat tip of the device.
5. heat to red hot.
6. wait 1-2 seconds (until red hot fades) this usally takes me the time to bring it to my mouth.
7. Your draw speed is trial and error. I find that a nice even inhale works best. I seem yo combust when I try and rip it. I would suggest using the quad hole as it cools better for me.
8. The cap isn't Dani or Dyna secure so my unit is held at an angle ( / ) like a pencil, rotated and lightly tapped on a hard surface while I watch my dogs play until I want another taste. This helps to stir whats in there, other wise the top gets scorched and the boty9m can still be green.
The clouds are pretty impressive when dialed in, Taste is very good and it does sneak up on you after a bowl or 2.
I like the camoflet as a take my time vape. I've not been able to clear a bowl in a hit or two without scorching/combusting and wouldn't want to at this point. With the attention to technique required, fast heat up and cool down along with smaller load size has cemented it in the take my time category.
I did get the bogo deal and have an extra. I've been throwing around the idea of putting the screens from the second unit in the one I use after work to see about better efficiency. Has anyone tried this?
After using this system fairly consistently after work in the morning before bed (night shift). Imo the learning curve is fairly steep but those techniques make it quite a bit easier. I have found that using a smaller torch helps widen the gray area of perfection and combustion. Bigger torches I found kick harder but definitely require more technique control. Consistency is key for this device and it is quite unforgiving.
1. Fill chamber 3/4 loose with no tamp down or full with a very very light tamp down. Air flow is a big part of this device.
2. pick a lighter that isn't adjustable.
3. pick a spot in the flame to always hold the tip.
4. Heat only the flat tip of the device.
5. heat to red hot.
6. wait 1-2 seconds (until red hot fades) this usally takes me the time to bring it to my mouth.
7. Your draw speed is trial and error. I find that a nice even inhale works best. I seem yo combust when I try and rip it. I would suggest using the quad hole as it cools better for me.
8. The cap isn't Dani or Dyna secure so my unit is held at an angle ( / ) like a pencil, rotated and lightly tapped on a hard surface while I watch my dogs play until I want another taste. This helps to stir whats in there, other wise the top gets scorched and the boty9m can still be green.
The clouds are pretty impressive when dialed in, Taste is very good and it does sneak up on you after a bowl or 2.
I like the camoflet as a take my time vape. I've not been able to clear a bowl in a hit or two without scorching/combusting and wouldn't want to at this point. With the attention to technique required, fast heat up and cool down along with smaller load size has cemented it in the take my time category.
I did get the bogo deal and have an extra. I've been throwing around the idea of putting the screens from the second unit in the one I use after work to see about better efficiency. Has anyone tried this?
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coolbreeze
Well-Known Member
This is an excellent bong vape. It's really simple and productive using the method in the video. Nice to just have at hand for a toke or two.
