Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO

[maremaresing]

Can you not? I was noticing something similar, where it looks like that is no longer an 18mm gong. Shame, because there are many things that are not hydratubes that work fantastic on the EVO.

I'd take a faster heat up time, but would really like to have a smaller device. Like a device half as high. The EVO (and the cloud before it) are really incredible devices that get you where you want to be whether macro or microdosing. I just want that in a smaller more stable form factor. Making it bigger and more stable isn't what I'm after!

 

[JOHN GALT]

Can you not? I was noticing something similar, where it looks like that is no longer an 18mm gong. Shame, because there are many things that are not hydratubes that work fantastic on the EVO.

I'd take a faster heat up time, but would really like to have a smaller device. Like a device half as high. The EVO (and the cloud before it) are really incredible devices that get you where you want to be whether macro or microdosing. I just want that in a smaller more stable form factor. Making it bigger and more stable isn't what I'm after!

Go through all the time and added expense to update a small, almost stealth product only to end up with something twice the size then offer it in almost fluorescent colors so it's the first thing you notice when you walk into the room.

 

[maremaresing]

Exactly! It's hilarious. I'm actually sad that they didn't design that bodykit to be an accessory. $60 bit of silicone and plastic to put on your device if you want, leave the rest the same. I'd probably buy one so I could use the whip without being worried about knocking the whole thing over and breaking the bamboo.

As you said, a lot of time was spent creating that, even if it's the same EVO at it's core. I can think of 20 different ways you could make it much smaller. Not like it needs such a long bamboo before the heater, right? Sure there is a power supply in there but a lot has changed in the last 10 years since the first Cloud.

You could say that log vapes are what I'm looking for, but I truly love what the EVO brings. It's hands down the only desktop vape I want for any foreseeable future. The baskets are gold, and the device itself is beautiful, understated (as you said), with a small footprint.

Mine lives 100% of it's time behind my computer monitor, ready to pull out when I need it.

 

[ataxian]

Exactly! It's hilarious. I'm actually sad that they didn't design that bodykit to be an accessory. $60 bit of silicone and plastic to put on your device if you want, leave the rest the same. I'd probably buy one so I could use the whip without being worried about knocking the whole thing over and breaking the bamboo.

As you said, a lot of time was spent creating that, even if it's the same EVO at it's core. I can think of 20 different ways you could make it much smaller. Not like it needs such a long bamboo before the heater, right? Sure there is a power supply in there but a lot has changed in the last 10 years since the first Cloud.

You could say that log vapes are what I'm looking for, but I truly love what the EVO brings. It's hands down the only desktop vape I want for any foreseeable future. The baskets are gold, and the device itself is beautiful, understated (as you said), with a small footprint.

Mine lives 100% of it's time behind my computer monitor, ready to pull out when I need it.

The travel of the vapor being reduced make the unit hotter?
I have different machines for CANNABIS enjoyment!
The 2-devices I have taste decent & not bad at all.
Kind of like it? (EVO)

 

[maremaresing]

The travel of the vapor being reduced make the unit hotter?

I'm pleased to inform you, my friend, that this isn't how any of this works. I'm also too lazy to talk about it further with no rewards. Gimme my short squat EVO, dammit!

 

[.brew]

Not like it needs such a long bamboo before the heater, right?

When my bamboo broke the after handling/fees total was going to be around $150. I was offered a new unit for $200 instead so I chose that option. I emailed Seibo to ask him whether they could send me a spare bamboo and I'd just put it in myself.

He explained they were carefully designed, hand-blown, and then fitted into place via a special jig of some sort. He said it couldn't be done DIY and implied there was a lot more R&D than meets the eye to both how it's blown and fitted into the unit. I wouldn't be so sure the length is easily changed.

I wasn't asking for a discounted price, either, I just didn't want to pay to ship my EVO to them, pay them a handling fee, and then pay to ship my EVO back so I figure if it could have been done he would have sent me one.

 

[maremaresing]

I mean I get all that, but that doesn't touch on the design. The bamboo isn't some true golden ratio, it's just a design that works with the whole. Everything can be reformatted. That's just engineering.

 

[.brew]

I mean I get all that, but that doesn't touch on the design. The bamboo isn't some true golden ratio, it's just a design that works with the whole. Everything can be reformatted. That's just engineering.

Your response doesn't make any sense to me. You're effectively arguing that it's engineered in a specific way and that therefore it could certainly be engineered in a different way--ie, a completely different product.

That's a non-sequitur since I'm willing to be there isn't a single person in this thread arguing the design is intrinsic to the Evo. Certainly the design of the vape is engineered around all of the elements I detailed (among others) and it's not simply a case of any old length of bamboo can be stuffed into any old shape of container. It's much more complicated than you're allowing and hand-waving it away with, "that's just engineering" isn't sufficient.

You alluded to having specialized knowledge that would substantiate your claim that the engineers of this product can simply change the length of the bamboo at will without regard to other design goals but refused to support those claims. I'm failing to understand the value of this tangent of the discussion.

 

[maremaresing]

Design is just that, and you can change some parts of the design to compensate for how the rest of the design changes. Don't be afraid to dream a little biggerSmaller, darling.

 

[.brew]

Design is just that, and you can change some parts of the design to compensate for how the rest of the design changes. Don't be afraid to dream a little biggerSmaller, darling.

I've been a member of this community for over a decade and this is the first time someone has behaved as you have. Your response to me isn't clever, it isn't cute, and is, in fact, rude so this will be my last response to you.

You're wrong and argumentative. You initially claimed the bamboo could just be changed without regard to other design concerns. You then backpedaled that claim by stating you have information that would substantiate that claim but you opt not to share it.

While it's possible Hanu, or anyone else, could conceive of a similar vape with a shorter bamboo that isn't what you were asking them to do. It's simply not true that the bamboo can be changed irrespective of any other design changes. That is, it's false to claim the bamboo can be changed within the current design. If you knew even half of what you're alluding to in regards to engineering you would understand why what I'm saying is true and what you are saying is wrong. But that's not really the point for you--you just want to be argumentative so I'll leave you to that...with someone else.

EDIT: for everyone else, it's difficult to see inside of an EVO bamboo. If you want to see what I'm talking about you'll need to find a picture of one outside of the case. It's not a simple downstem. If it was a simple downstem then the length would be easier to manipulate at will. There is a tremendous amount of engineering in both how the bamboo is blown and how it's placed within the enclosure...so difficult that end-users can't do it at home, apparently. This isn't my opinion, it's the founder of the company's opinion.

 

[Cheebsy]

Well, I think it's the length is to "isolate" the air path away from the electronics. There are plenty of heater designs that don't need an elongated input to be effective.

I do agree there is no need for that rude and supercilious tone however!

 

[.brew]

Well, I think it's the length is to "isolate" the air path away from the electronics. There are plenty of heater designs that don't need an elongated input to be effective.

Yes, that's what I thought, too. When I asked Seibo if I could have a bamboo shipped to me to replace the one that broke he said it required specialized assembly given how tightly they engineered the air path.

It's not just the length of the bamboo that matters (although I agree that's certainly part of it). Here's a picture of an open EVO so you can see the internals. Two things to note:

There is void in the enclosure

The entire bottom half could be removed if not for the bamboo, which leads me to the second point:


the black grommet is the top. As you can hopefully see there isn't any room to shorten the bamboo without removing some of the functional differences between it and a standard downstem.

After his explanation to me, and me looking at the pieces, it seems to me that the bamboo was engineered first and the EVO enclosure was engineered around it.

This conversations presupposes the bamboo is just incidental to the EVO's function. I'm trying to explain how it (including its length) is an essential part of the EVO's function. Shortening the bamboo, even by half an inch as demonstrated by the picture, changes the way in which the air will flow through the bamboo.

 

[JOHN GALT]

Maybe the Cloud EVO is already the almost perfect, small, discrete, extraction machine and there's no need to "re-invent" it in the form of a new, improved EVO Petra.

Unless you have the need for a "KitchenAid mixer" type appliance, which I definitely "Do Not" need.

Small & discrete for me!

 

[maremaresing]

I've been a member of this community for over a decade and this is the first time someone has behaved as you have. Your response to me isn't clever, it isn't cute, and is, in fact, rude so this will be my last response to you.

I get that you've kramered back into the forum with your degree from dunning and kruger, and you are suddenly finding many people who you "won't respond to any further, sir!". I just want you to know you are my new favorite poster on this website and I encourage you to continue to spread your chaos.

Either way, we agree, you just wanted to be a bit extra. There are a lot of Important Design Things about the bamboo, with lot's of air moving in special ways, but thats only one way to do it.

The evo is as perfect as a desktop can be, but it's primary design draw is the hydratubes on top and the all-in-one nature. Having one unit be the waterpipe/glass and the vape, plus the flavor and ELB system, is why I've always loved it. I'd rather see stability reached by A) an inexpensive bodykit with arms for the EVO and extra customer support or B) make it a nice squat device.

Picture a Volcano form factor but 4 inches tall. Sure, you gotta put the power supply and heater and circuit in there, but a lot has changed in the last 10 years. This can be repackaged. Heck, look at how tiny the log vapes are!

 

[Justpassedu]

Bought this color changing usb base off Amazon for $10 , and glued a 18mm glass adapter to it to make a hydratube stand :

https://imgur.com/a/Lt8n91s

 

[ataxian]

Bought this color changing usb base off Amazon for $10 , and glued a 18mm glass adapter to it to make a hydratube stand :

https://imgur.com/a/Lt8n91s

Nice lighting!

 

[CANtalk]

Enjoying the EVO again this weekend. It brings the goods with flower in the ELB and when I get to concentrates in the glass nail . My routine and ecosystem has been fairly static for a while, though recently I was able to further refine hydratube cleaning. Once a week using the leftover hot PBW solution from the small ultrasonic cleaner, I fill the hydratube and agitate. I then used to let it soak for 3-5 min on each side (often longer b/c multitasking), but now I simply fill it half way or so and agitate it for three or so 5 second bursts. And that's it. After three quick hot tap water rinses followed by three distilled water rinses (and a microwave dry), the hydratube comes out spotless. No fuss no muss

Is there no concern over using those brass bristles on our quartz tubes? No issues related to scratching or hazing?

I've seen a few people with the brass brushes and they report no significant issues with glass cleaning and the VapeXnails (fwiw).

I saw this on the Petra thread and thought it would be great info the the EVO owner community here. A direct comparison picture of the dimensions of the Crown hydratree vs a large OG and small Precision hydratubes. Thx for posting!

Anyone have the dimensions of the Crown HydraTree, it appears massive?

It's not massive. It's slightly smaller in diameter but taller than the other hydratubes:

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Anyone else enjoying the EVO recently? Have a great weekend.

 

[OldPotHead]

After many years, and finally sick of dealing with portables, constantly charging, break downs, I pulled the plug on a Cloud, as I only use carts out and about anyway. I opted for the fast shipping, so hoping here by Christmas. I've done the entire Arizer and S&B portable line up, as well as many others, and I'm really looking forward to this.

 

[Justpassedu]

After many years, and finally sick of dealing with portables, constantly charging, break downs, I pulled the plug on a Cloud, as I only use carts out and about anyway. I opted for the fast shipping, so hoping here by Christmas. I've done the entire Arizer and S&B portable line up, as well as many others, and I'm really looking forward to this.

You made a great choice , love my Evo and the fact it does both flower and concentrates so smoothly. It's also a fun vape to sit down and use.

 

[Berzzerkker]

I'm new to this community but am considering the same purchase since the "old" Cloud EVO seems a small and discreet unit that works well with both flower and concentrate. The newer version Petra looks promising but is just not small and discreet, especially the S&B color!

My only concern is I live in an assisted-living facility, in a state that has both rec & med cannabis, but I am always worried that a new owner might not allow cannabis on the property. I have heard/read that since the facility receives federal funds, Medicare/Medicaid, there could be a risk to licensing if allowing even medical cannabis on the property.

I have both a medical card and a Rx from primary physician.

Can any vaporizer be used indoors without attracting some notice?

My plan is to tell them it is used for "aromatherapy" but I fear being "evicted" if discovered!

 

[Relaxed]

The vaporizer itself can be used discretely, but the accompanying odor will be detectable. Not sure how you would get around that.

 

[Petetbay]

The vaporizer itself can be used discretely, but the accompanying odor will be detectable. Not sure how you would get around that.

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[His_Highness]

I'm new to this community but am considering the same purchase since the "old" Cloud EVO seems a small and discreet unit that works well with both flower and concentrate. The newer version Petra looks promising but is just not small and discreet, especially the S&B color!

My only concern is I live in an assisted-living facility, in a state that has both rec & med cannabis, but I am always worried that a new owner might not allow cannabis on the property. I have heard/read that since the facility receives federal funds, Medicare/Medicaid, there could be a risk to licensing if allowing even medical cannabis on the property.i

I have both a medical card and a Rx from primary physician.

Can any vaporizer be used indoors without attracting some notice?

My plan is to tell them it is used for "aromatherapy" but I fear being "evicted" if discovered!

Not sure I would call the EVO small and discreet. If its sitting on a counter, in your hand or especially if you're hitting it with glass.... it will be noticed. The unit will smell when not in use unless cleaned regularly AND it can whistle like a train when your hitting it. You might be better off with something smaller, portable with great battery life.

 

[ataxian]

I'm new to this community but am considering the same purchase since the "old" Cloud EVO seems a small and discreet unit that works well with both flower and concentrate. The newer version Petra looks promising but is just not small and discreet, especially the S&B color!

My only concern is I live in an assisted-living facility, in a state that has both rec & med cannabis, but I am always worried that a new owner might not allow cannabis on the property. I have heard/read that since the facility receives federal funds, Medicare/Medicaid, there could be a risk to licensing if allowing even medical cannabis on the property.

I have both a medical card and a Rx from primary physician.

Can any vaporizer be used indoors without attracting some notice?

My plan is to tell them it is used for "aromatherapy" but I fear being "evicted" if discovered!

Desktop = EVO if flavor = goal
Portable = many R decent however 4 low income non bling the old reliable SOLO provides taste & effect & a little less noticeable?
The PETRA I NEED 2 try?

 

[OldPotHead]

As I wait for my evo to arrive (tomorrow morning), I am trying to skim the thread, but that's not possible with all the information available here. I have a feeling, that after almost 45 years of vaping and smoking, I'm about to meet best friend. I'm not a glass guy, more about convenience and good tasty hits. I like to sit back on my couch / recliner and sip and rip. When I leave the house I use carts. I usually run about 2 grams of top shelf every day, through a variety of portables, but I am so sick of charging shit, it's getting really old.

I'll report back on what a long time pothead, and experienced vape head thinks of Evo.