Nothing like blaming the patients, eh? Look, I'm NOT getting into this with you. You seem like a nice fella and I enjoy most of what we exchange in posts. But you also seem a bit obsessive-compulsive and as a matter of fact I quit reading your wall of text above after the first outrageous and incredibly patronizing line which I quoted above. Actually, you lost me completely after that opening line for which my initial response started with a big (edited to keep @vtac smiling) Please make no mistake, I did not and am not inviting you to offer your uneducated medical opinion on my cardiac condition or treatment or how its really all my own fault for not following the "biohacker" lifestyle. As for cooling my jets....come on mate. I just hope nobody on this board with cardiac disease is stupid enough to act on your views. Cheers Edited to add another glaring example: That has got to be one of the most patronizing statements I have seen here or anywhere else. I'm pretty sure that this took me immediately back to (edited to keep @vtac smiling).