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What does your Cannabis-friendly doctor think (legal regions only)?

Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by EverythingsHazy, Apr 14, 2017.

  1. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    Nothing like blaming the patients, eh?:hmm:

    Look, I'm NOT getting into this with you. You seem like a nice fella and I enjoy most of what we exchange in posts. But you also seem a bit obsessive-compulsive and as a matter of fact I quit reading your wall of text above after the first outrageous and incredibly patronizing line which I quoted above.

    Actually, you lost me completely after that opening line for which my initial response started with a big (edited to keep @vtac smiling) :doh:

    Please make no mistake, I did not and am not inviting you to offer your uneducated medical opinion on my cardiac condition or treatment or how its really all my own fault for not following the "biohacker" lifestyle. :bang:

    As for cooling my jets....come on mate. I just hope nobody on this board with cardiac disease is stupid enough to act on your views.

    Cheers :wave:

    Edited to add another glaring example:

    That has got to be one of the most patronizing statements I have seen here or anywhere else. I'm pretty sure that this took me immediately back to (edited to keep @vtac smiling).
     
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  2. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Cheers for the support bro as ever! You know a lot more about all of this than me Im sure. I dont envy you! I already know too much, and Im just a poor damaged mortal living in Bedfordshire! :lol:
    It kills me though, because my ideas and statements are founded so solidly in many cases, and my basic intution is right, but my brain function and memory is incapable of being convincing about anyhting.

    The book and the cover, bigtime! Im really not arrogant. Just convicted and wiser than most people realise. Ultimately I have a duty to report the truth.
    (Edit- disclaimer, what I "believe" to be the truth of course.)
    And guys, I am pretty stoned now so Im sure Im talking shit.

    But hey, we ARE all on the same side right? We want the best world and total happiness for everybody! So we must keep this perspective in mind, and be willing to forgive each other and learn.
    I am sorry myself for being insensitve at times. It is never intended, I just over empthasise things to make a point (hyperboli?), and make brash statements.
    (this isnt directed at you Biohacker, or anybody- just a thought for the community.:tup:)
     
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  3. biohacker

    biohacker Cannasseur

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    @Baron23 This all started with you jumping to conclusions and misperceiving @C No Ego quote with a knee jerk reaction, and it's no different than your misperception of my posts. You're getting way too defensive and taking things personally when that was not my intent. I've seen your posts during (several) edits, and that speaks volumes right there. Seriously man, don't get so worked up over something you have no control over, and perhaps focus more on your own health, as your reaction clearly indicates you need to. Hope all is well man, there are plenty of great ways to reduce blood pressure and stress via non-pharmaceutical methods, and perhaps re-read @Alexis posts, because he sums it up impeccably.

    It's not what one says, it's how it's perceived, and your perception I have no control over. Calling my views stupid just proves my point even further. Especially after Vtac's post. Good luck, and good night. :peace:
     
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  4. Aimless Ryan

    Aimless Ryan Came to read about grinders; fucked combustion

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    The truth does hurt. I suspect I gave myself what doctors call multiple sclerosis (to make people think they have a fucking clue what it is). I have eaten like shit my whole life. What's the one thing people around here know about me and food? Pizza. For me to know what I know about pizza, it required baking and eating thousands of pizzas.

    And I do blame those who raised me. Somewhat. Teachers, too. Instead of teaching me how great I am because I'm white and American, they could've taught me something useful and true; something like, "Hey Ryan, the food you eat is not actually food." Perhaps before I was brainwashed to think it is. I love pizza. Pizza is not food.

    I used to drink a fair amount of pop. Thankfully, living like a bum forced me to drink pretty much only water. Now I can't believe I ever drank that shit (although I still enjoy a can of Dr. Pepper about once a year). It's nothing the body needs or wants. I was brainwashed into drinking that poison. Imagine if I had had that revelation 30 years ago, when I still had a relatively non-toxic body (and a chance).

    There's a lot more I could say here.
     
  5. vaporist4LIFE

    vaporist4LIFE Well-Known Member

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    @Alexis thank you for that post....more people need to open their minds and fucking put down the pills, pharms, fluoride , heavy metals , etc.
    We are nature .we need it.always remember when speaking get of doctors /that industry ...
    There is no money for them in a healthy person. No money for them in a dead person. $$$ comes from right in the middle between healthy and dead.and it sad to say but so many of us in this world are in that in between .many never know or understand .
    Plants provide us with such a bounty . Yet we say destroying the earth is worth it for a burger or steak made from a living breathing animal with a soul that will rot and spread disease in our bodies.
    Fuck that !!!
    :peace:
    ---hey Ryan . Change your outlook bro.dont blame anyone for anything .that's bad energy in you .be mad and release it. Stress/negative thoughts are so damaging to our health!!
    To change you have to make a start.trust me when you put good in your body it will tell and show you how good it feels. Go get some kale !!! :)
     
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  6. EverythingsHazy

    EverythingsHazy Well-Known Member

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    To preface this post, and all my following ones...

    I'm not a blind believer in what society says, but I'm also not a conspiracy theorist that thinks there is grand conspiracy against us.
    No hard feelings, man.

    I'm not arguing that plants have a ton of potential in treating and curing us. Not at all. That's undoubtedly true. What I am debating here, is the point that nature was put here for us.

    Plants have been around for hundreds of millions of years before our species was even close to existing. To argue that they are here with the purpose of healing us, is nonsensical. They can be used to heal us, but their medicinal properties exist because they're of benefit to the plant, not because they are of benefit to us. It's similar to my rattlesnake comparison. They don't have venom to cure our cancers. They have venom for hunting and self defense. The fact that we can benefit from them is just a convenient coincidence. Cannabis doesn't have it's resin glands to help heal us. It has them because they benefit the Cannabis plant.
    I believe we should learn to use plants to our benefit, but I don't believe that we shouldn't alter things to better suit our species, in terms of efficiency/potential. Again...the venom issue. Naturally, it kills us, destroys nervous systems, dissolves our muscles and skin, etc. Altered, it can cure cancer.

    I was never taught that I'm great because I'm white and American... If your teachers and parents would've told you that pizza isn't food, you would still have been lied to. That's absolutely incorrect. I don't know what pizza your were eating, but when it's not found in a cardboard box in the freezer isle of your supermarket, pizza can be made from all natural ingredients. Flour, yeast, salt, sugar (minimal and optional), oil, tomatoes, herbs, cheese, water, and heat, are all food. Plants and meat in their natural forms aren't the only real foods... We can't just go around making up our own definitions for words that are already defined. That would throw language into a state of chaos.
     
  7. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Big respect and appreciation @vaporist4LIFE for your words!:tup: Im quite vulnerable at times and its always a true pleasure to be well received, especiallly when you mean only well.

    And Im really glad you can relate. We are talking plain sanity here! We are just exposing truths to shine more light on things. No bias, just plain truth. Unfortunately it is beyond most people's imagination, and comprehension! (Again, no reference to anybody here.)

    @Aimless Ryan , I feel for you man, and I admire your spirit and glow and lack of bitterness!
    Its hard man I know. I made loads of stupid mistakes when younger. I just didnt appreciate what health was, and know how to safeguard it. I have had Lyme disease for 12 years which has crippled my life. The tick bite was unlucky, but I coulda been in infinitely better shape to overcome it and not have such a severe case. Just a lack of education- crucially about sanity too!

    But like @vaporist4LIFE wisely says, dont beat yourself up. Just look forward. It is amazing what the body can withstand and heal from when the mind is strong!
    Miracles do happen you know, a real phenomena, we just dont know how to tap into it.

    We are actually on the evolutuinary verge of developing these inherent gifts. If you think about it, you know it makes sense in your heart and mind. I mean like psychic ability for example.

    But it is this spiritual development that we being deliberately held back from. They cant let the mice get out of the cage. So they assult us and trick us and render us incompetent and unconscious.

    So we suffer not just for nothing-we are trying to break free and spread wings like butterfly, and they pin is down to keep us prisoner.

    So stay strong man! One day at a time, but do clean up diet though. It is KEY bruv trust. Dont feel bad about the past and be positive. :)

    One thing, we are learning. We see things differently. We grow, mature, reflect, develop. This is the important shit!

    Many people dont get into this enough in this life. At least for the most part. It goes over their heads. Illness can bring a life rich with this kind of learning, so in that sense, it is a blessing.:nod:

    My biggest killer is that Im allergic to cannabis! I love my weed. One of my few pleasures in hard life! Cure this one problem and I swear, I take the rest in my stride!
     
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  8. Aimless Ryan

    Aimless Ryan Came to read about grinders; fucked combustion

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    @EverythingsHazy Go ahead and keep believing the shit you say. Chances are, you'll end up crippled like me. If you think either flour or cheese or sugar is food, get yourself a time machine, go back a few thousand years, and see how much flour and cheese and sugar you can find. We evolved without that stuff. Consequently, our bodies do not recognize it as food. Which is a big reason why my body attacks itself.
     
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  9. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Hazy makes the literal statement that pizza can be healthy.
    This is true. The same principle and recipe applies to all things. Start with the ingredients.

    ALL food is eithet- medicine, or poison. Good natural foods are medicine for some, poison for others, depending on our individual constitution. It is the form of the food though that is the key again.

    Natural, whole, unrefined. For a healthy pizza, you want:
    wholemeal flour (preferably organic, but almost better to have non-organic wholemeal than organic white flour ),
    If sugar- raw, unrefined sugar,
    Unrefined oil, ideally with high smoke point (ex V olive oil not best for high heat), but again, it is the refined man made fat that is pure poison and health destroying.

    Ideally some nice organic cheese, minus growth hormones and antibiotics, pesticides, also IDEALLY with only natural unrefined salt. Bad table salt is again,,total poison and responsible for the bad name salt has. And cheese is LOADED with salt. Less in mozzarella though!;)

    And yeast is a tricky one. There is wide debate about whether yeast is unhealthy fullstop. I am WELL allergic, so dont know about the diff types.

    Ideally I would love to see yeast free pizzas.
    And natural tomato, herbs etc, et, Voila!
     
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  10. vaporist4LIFE

    vaporist4LIFE Well-Known Member

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    Took the words out of my mouth Ryan ...animal cheese natural hahaha. Flour was the kicker hehe. Wow this community is awesome .so much love for you as a person @Alexis
    Last post was even better! Bummer you ate allergic .that's seriously sucks.i enjoy so much , to examine such a wide array of flowers .
    You are so right man.people everywhere are tuning into their Chakras, meditating more.eating more veggies and fruits, getting more sunshine, grounding themselves .beginning to push that boundary between physical and a higher state of consciousness .
    Anyone out there...start eating good amounts of cilantro , turmeric .think positive thoughts. Decalcify that pineal gland ! Much love @Alexis
    Then you said use organic cheese :(
    We don't need animal products . They cause disease and death...if there wasn't a demand there would be no supply .fuck animal agriculture and all the horrors it continues to cause .I'm done posting here .much love to all .love animals don't eat them please .
     
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  11. Aimless Ryan

    Aimless Ryan Came to read about grinders; fucked combustion

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    We evolved pretty much not eating any grains. There is no such thing as healthy flour. There is especially no such thing as healthy sugar. Dairy too.

    And I'm not preaching. No one on this planet has eaten more ice cream than me the last week.
     
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  12. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    Maybe some of you need to go to a Naturopath. That's who I go to, to renew my medical cannabis card. A good naturopath can get your health on the right track. Some folks probably can't get away from using pharmaceuticals but could work in tandem with natural remedies.

    I'm unable to renew my medical cannabis card through my medical doctor since he's with Kaiser Permante.
     
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  13. EverythingsHazy

    EverythingsHazy Well-Known Member

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    Now, "food" equals only what we ate thousands of years ago? :lol:

    Keep making up definitions to suit your arguments.
    1. Who said "animal" cheese?

    2. The real "kicker" is the fact that food is "any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth." Like it or not, pizza is food.
     
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  14. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Maybe not, but there is significantly less disease causing flour. And milk, and fat, and sugar etc etc.
    It is about at the very least, using the "non poisonous" version of each ingredient. Then ask questions about what to eat and eliminate.
     
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  15. Aimless Ryan

    Aimless Ryan Came to read about grinders; fucked combustion

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    Thousands. Millions. Take your pick. Point is our bodies do not recognize that stuff as food. We are made of what we eat. Most of us are made of what people are not supposed to be made of. Our bodies know this. Which is a very big part of why just about everyone has one or more illness(es) that didn't exist 100 years ago.

    But go right ahead and keep believing whatever you want to believe. Just like I did.

    EDIT: You know what happens when people start irrigating their crops with Gatorade?
     
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  16. Aimless Ryan

    Aimless Ryan Came to read about grinders; fucked combustion

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    • Not nice. 3-day reply ban administered
    Last night I thought I would apologize to whoever may have felt offended by things I have said in this thread—mainly @EverythingsHazy—because I realize my head has been overwhelmed lately, and it is out of order in a way. Having slept on it, though, there's not a chance. After I tried to help you by providing much better answers than the answers you were looking for, you ridiculed me. And you did it very arrogantly, as if your position is not absolutely fucking ridiculous. (It is. I'm helping you by saying that.)

    I came here to help you. @biohacker came here to help you. Other people who said similar things as @biohacker and myself came here to help you. You told us to fuck off for helping you; even after we went out of our way to explain things you refuse to understand.

    Now I realize the only reason you started this thread was because you hoped people would reinforce what you already want to believe—to back you up—regardless of whether what you believe is anywhere near accurate. Which it's not.

    What you need to hear and understand is that most doctors are fucking arrogant idiots. We only consider them intelligent because they are good at remembering what they've been told. Which is not the same thing as intelligence. They do much more harm than good. If you know exactly what will save your life, most of them will make sure you cannot get it, simply because you didn't need them to tell you what you already know; what they will never know because they refuse to learn anything other than what they want to believe. Even though you already had video after video of proof that you know exactly what will save your life, and you didn't need them to do anything other than write a script for what you have proved can and has saved your life. They didn't care enough to let you finish your sentence. Yet they still like to think of themselves as scientists.

    I don't need any more of your shit. I know of at least one other person who doesn't need any more of your shit, either. And I bet there are more.

    I'm blocking you now, to avoid being sucked into any more of your bullshit.
     
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  17. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    We tried Ryan. It is our duty to speak truth. We can only do this, we cant control the outcome we did our bit!
    It is fantastic always to hear people like yourself who see reality the way it is and report it as such.
    Many people are simply products of the government, and they will never even know it. We are not products, but victims as are the asleep.
    I hope you get better in your health and in a better place mentally. I am also going through very trying times. I wish there was more I could do to help others like yourself.
     
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  18. biohacker

    biohacker Cannasseur

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    Nothing new here folks.... you've seen the Driving Whilst high thread, best to move on...nothing to see here ;) Respect to the both of you as always. Thank you. :peace:
     
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  19. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Well some of my buddies are here! Surely a better place for better people!? (While we was 'ere at least.)
     
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  20. EverythingsHazy

    EverythingsHazy Well-Known Member

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    i didn't say anythjng disrepectful in this entire thread, despite being childishly disrespected multiple times already. I simply called out your making up of new definitions for already defined words.

    The point of this thread was to have people with access to legally Cannabis-friendly M.D.s find out their opinion on certain issues. It wasn't to bash doctors.

    Just because I don't buy into your conspiracy theories and hate of modern medicine, doesn't make me wrong or disrespectful. Not everyone is going to agree with what you say. If you can't handle that without insulting others, you won't get very far in life. You're an extreme case and I'll be ignoring you from now. Everyone else has been decently respectful.

    Now it's just time for the mods to do their job, and give you the ban you desverve for being so rude even after one mod came in here to say not to do that.

    Good day.


    Now back on topic...
     
  21. biohacker

    biohacker Cannasseur

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    Now you're cherry picking, why? I'll give you a hint to make it easier, but it's the only post on this page without a single "like". That was extremely rude, right after that same mod post.

    You're getting the exact same reaction as you did in the Driving High thread, for good reason. Anyways, it's your thread dude, and you've already posted about the thread derail, yet continued to do so and kept throwing the bait.

    It just snowballed from there.... it's difficult in non-vape related threads, and I agree with @Aimless Ryan

    Good luck, and back to your topic. And I can only speak about where I live, but Cannabis friendly doctors are very $$$ motivated. In fact, mine won't even renew my script for that very reason. Fuck spending $300-500 for a prescription, while they give away free poison.

    Fucking quacks.
     
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  22. vtac

    vtac vapor junkie Staff Member

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    This discussion would likely have a better chance at staying friendly if participants stayed a bit closer to the question posed in the OP and refrained from discussing each other. Let's give it a day to cool down.

    Edit: Re-opening the thread for discussion. Please stick to discussing the question in the OP.
     
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  23. EverythingsHazy

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    It'd be cool if someone could ask their dr, or ideally their neurologist, what they think about the risk of brain damage / negative brain effects from daily use, and report back here.

    Daily use for nothing other than pleasure, that way there isn't the "it's better than the symptoms/prescription meds you'd otherwise deal with", context.
     
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  24. Farid

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    My neurologist said that any regular intoxication has potential to cause brain damage, but when used consistently and with a tolerance the effects on memory and cognitive abilities is negligible, as is the intoxication.

    My other doctor, who specializes in cannabis reiterated this, and said that anybody, medical needs or not, can use cannabis without brain damage if they are using small doses. She's actually an associate of Dr. Sulak who is an expert in using cannabis in this way.
     
  25. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Bob Marley smoked a LOT of ganja! He was a fucking genius. If that is what cannabis induced brain damage does, GIVE ME SOME!:D
     
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