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What does your Cannabis-friendly doctor think (legal regions only)?

Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by EverythingsHazy, Apr 14, 2017.

  1. EverythingsHazy

    EverythingsHazy Well-Known Member

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    It'd be cool if someone could ask their dr, or ideally their neurologist, what they think about the risk of brain damage / negative brain effects from daily use, and report back here.

    Daily use for nothing other than pleasure, that way there isn't the "it's better than the symptoms/prescription meds you'd otherwise deal with", context.
     
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  2. Farid

    Farid Well-Known Member

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    My neurologist said that any regular intoxication has potential to cause brain damage, but when used consistently and with a tolerance the effects on memory and cognitive abilities is negligible, as is the intoxication.

    My other doctor, who specializes in cannabis reiterated this, and said that anybody, medical needs or not, can use cannabis without brain damage if they are using small doses. She's actually an associate of Dr. Sulak who is an expert in using cannabis in this way.
     
  3. Alexis

    Alexis Open minded philosopher and realist.

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    Bob Marley smoked a LOT of ganja! He was a fucking genius. If that is what cannabis induced brain damage does, GIVE ME SOME!:D
     
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  4. C No Ego

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    if cannabis were some foreign object forever changing brain structure then yeah... it's not though because of the cannabinoids and instant metabolic break down of those g-coupled ptoteins

    Rastafarians smoke massive amounts of cannabsi their entire lives... their brains are fine and enlightened
     
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  5. EverythingsHazy

    EverythingsHazy Well-Known Member

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    I'm aware of the fact that Cannabis doesn't necessarily seem to damage most users (even heavy users) brains to the point of being significantly handicapped in comparison to the average person, but any brain damage does in fact lower their cognitive potential (ex. Regardless of how smart Bob Marley was compared to the average person, he might have been even smarter than he was had he not been a consistent Cannabis user.).

    That's what I'm interested in, in regards to Cannabis induced brain damage. It's negative effects on the individual "potential" of one's brain.
    We aren't used to such high doses of such chemicals, though, which is why we get the effects that we do from ingesting Cannabis in typical doses.
    I wouldn't necessarily consider them enlightened, nor would I assume that their brains are in as good shape as they would be without having smoked cannabis at all.

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    What causes me to believe that whatever potential brain damaging effects exist are mild, is the fact that people do consume the equivalent of several grams of Cannabis, every day, compared to consuming say a gram (or less) a day, and if there are negative effects, they should have them multiplied to a point of being very noticeable, but they don't.
     
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  6. MinnBobber

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    Cannabis overall seems to have a positive effect on the brain. Human trials are in their infancy but there is an interesting experiment with lab rats and memory. They mimic the human cycle, where brains deteriorate with age BUT much quicker. The older rats have diminished memory etc.
    When cannabis is given to the "old rats", not only is their memory loss halted, they go back to higher levels of memory associated with the juveniles.
    When cannabis is given to the "young rats" their memory performance is slightly diminished.
    The memory test is interesting, a water tank with one small underwater island that they can rest on. Their memory is tested by how quickly they learn where the island is.

    Human trials are certainly needed.
    Also, even though big pharma has spent billions to try to find a "neuro- re-generator" , cannabis is being shown to accomplish this with damaged brain cells, a truly remarkable feat !!!!! A neuro protector and fixer whereby boxers and football players etc should be on a daily protective dose instead of it being prohibited.

    From all the information/ studies/ experiments/ trials I'd say that cannabis has 1000 good elements for every 1 negative aspect.
    Almost all the US cannabis studies were biased/trying to find all possible negatives for cannabis use, but they failed in their seedy objective :)
     
  7. chris 71

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    ive quoted my self below . as i did mention this in your cannabis effects on the brain thread , but thought id post it here too :rofl:


    like i said the mri i had wasnt to see if there was any differences between my brain (as a heavy cannabis user ) and some virgin brain lol . but it was to look for any abnormalities as i was having some symptoms that made my doctor want to have a look . and as i said all was normal .

    i personally think that some of us get a little too worried im guilty of this too . from all the brain washing we have been inundated with our whole lives by the war on drugs , that has mistakenly takin up the fight against cannabis . we all know that most of the studies done in the past on cannabis have basically been looking for the harms of cannabis . instead of looking at the whole picture . i think that it can cause some of us to be a little to paranoid about there brains and such lol

    just dont do what they did to these Monkeys and you should be ok lol

    Click to play YouTube Video
     
  8. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    the fact that we have co evolved ( with sea squirts) since a few billion years ago I'd say it's all good... in fact, without those signalling metabolites ( cannabinoids) we would not exist as we know ourselves today and could not sustain a homeostatic, stable body for self expression...

    just saying something foreign to us in not healthy and causes brain damage... What about any foreign food we eat, air we breathe etc... they are all foreign to us yet in some way can enhance or hinder our existence... We are literally eating ourselves constantly so as not to completely wither away and we must consume our world too as we go along...

    a few notes here.... high concentrations ( 90% thc) of (trichome glandular resin oil ) RSO, RSHO, etc.... some people have been ingesting 3 grams of pure thc oil for years daily.... they look younger, healthier and even threw off cancerous accumulation from their bodies with aid of the oil.... I differ to the signalling metabolites here ( cannabinoids) as the science has shown the entire active process from ingestion to metabolic breakdown to final elimination... all that is left is COOH after FAAH...

    too, the 1980's study on Jamaican mothers who used cannabis during their pregnancy time period.... the researched babies were super healthy, their brains perfectly formed etc... they grew and learned faster/better than other study children etc... that alone says that cannabinoids from cannabis can supply aid in a humans life time from gestation onward.... Plus mother's breast milk is 80 to 90 % endocannabinoids ( they are that important to us!!!)....

    Sadly, we are ingesting/sustaining ourselves with dead, non-biologically active food... Were every human ingesting more bio-active materials ( psychedelics etc.... ) as the daily norm then people inhaling plant matter would not even be needed as we would be lifted- physically,spiritually,mentally all the time just from daily eating practices... think vats and vats of holy anointing oil for every person to soak in all day long if so desired while ingesting copious amounts of monotomic Gold and green super foods... after a few thousand years of living like that then ask where the harm is from in ingesting bio-active life forms

    edit- adding this link here... just reading it and realized it relates to the subject matter ( brain matter!) on hand

    https://www.cbdmedicaljournal.com/e...-suggests-marijuana-is-good-for-brain-health/
     
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  9. EverythingsHazy

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    I fully understand that we evolved with Cannabinoid receptors and endocanabinoids, etc., but I don't believe that our bodies were ever used to such high doses of those chemicals (especially ones from outside sources like Cannabis plants. We've evolved to use and even need, many chemicals, but in high doses, manby of those can harm or even kill us.

    I don't believe that we are in homeostasis while we are feeling any form of a buzz from Cannabis use. In perfect natural balance, we tend to feel no inebriation. It's when homeostasis gets thrown off, that we feel things strongly, like depression, mania, being buzzed, etc..

    That's not to say that I'm sure Cannabis is bad for us, because I don't really believe that is a serious danger, however, I wouldn't write it off as just part of human existence, because we definitely don't need it to survive in perfect homeostasis. That's why we produce endocannabinoids.


    Does anyone else have any input from their Dr's in legal states, about daily use? Not that anyone here was wrong or didn't give good responses. Just looking for more than one source, to get different perspectives from medical professionals.
     
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  10. Alexis

    Alexis Open minded philosopher and realist.

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    What we do need nowadys is medicine! Cannabis just happens to be a super powerhouse of exactly that. These are testing times for our physiology- we are under increasing toxicological and technologically assault, most of which is very deliberate.
    So cannabis it's probably more vital than ever before in our history, our bodies are even more out of balance now and we need extra support from the plant medicines, which have been under such longterm sustained attack and suppression.

    I dont think there can be any question that from a health and healing point of view, cannabis does far more good than harm.
    I'm not disagreeing with you hazy and the points you make, just sharing my thought of the moment.
    I really dont think most cannabis users, especially for medical reasons, are looking for a harmful side of weed. They just accept the whole package as overall good and positive and for many people it is a necessity.
    So basically people don't really have a great incentive to pursue this line of enquiry and report back in this thread.
     
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  11. C No Ego

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    Being orgasmic is absolute homeostasis! no plant to create that though :)

    joke but really though, it is all about diet... we are not activating our receptors via diet because of food choices etc... we need highly active sources to vibrate yourself higher in frequency... it is the only way I know to explain it and is why cannabis actives have such a response to our dulled receptors not used to firing fully
     
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  12. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    Food is nothing more than information from the external environment... if you are lacking electrons you require more "energy" from life-sustaining food, however I would personally say that it's all about LIGHT, WATER, and MAGNETISM... that's the foundation... if those building blocks aren't providing enough energy for the electron transport chain to the mitochondria, optimum balance cannot be obtained in homeostasis, and food comes after. Just my opinion, but there seems to be an overabundance of information and importance placed on diet (especially macros!) and exercise, and not enough on the foundation as i've mentioned, and of course SLEEP.

    It does pain me to see what people consider "food" when in reality it doesn't even come close to resembling that. Another thing to consider is circadian biology and chronobiology which is just now coming to light.

    We must also remember that cannabis is a medicine, and a drug, and like everything the poison is in the dose. It has IMO the ability to create a homeostatic equilibrium, but also disrupt it by creating a homeostatic imbalance.

    I have been speaking with several doctors lately, specialists, clinics, etc. and has been absolutely amazed at how well received cannabis has been in my experience. Only one psychiatrist has been against it, as he likes to push his own agenda/drugs, but another (specialist) was very much for it. Same with sleep clinics, all the doctors, i've been to, even ones from 2 years ago who didn't know much, now know so much more. Perhaps legalization around the corner is opening up their minds, but I still think they push drugs first, and if that doesn't work - they fall on cannabis because sometimes they just don't know what else to do.

    The tides are changing, the stigma is lifting, and we are entering a new era...enlightened! It's about bloody time!
    :peace:
     
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  13. C No Ego

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    Great post man! how have you been? yes, we need pranic ethereal juice (life force energy) to feed on the most but we have chosen heavy matter as our food... other beings, creatures, life forms etc are now our food= heavy...
    We only need align our pranic tube some to the heart space to receive that feeding universal light... thanks for reminding me man! I think with the heavy foods we are really just feeding the parasites and other hang oners that we have accumulated over time... our true essence just needs space juice!

    to quote you again.... our endocannabinoid production regardless if we have ever inhaled or consumed cannabis relies on the type of fat we consume from outside our bodies( in nature)... we turn that consumed fat into the cannabinoids through lipid metabolism. with none of those fats available we have a depleted endocannabinoid system which is what is showing up as oxidation related diseases as free radicals are effecting our cells instead of cannabinoids... one day we will have meters that can measure this so people know to keep fats in them to convert to the noids...I posted about this in the cannabis effects on your brain thread.... it is the arachodonic acid that converts to the endocannabinoids...
     
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  14. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    Hey now C No! I forgot to mention the biggest element - life sustaining oxygen! Mostly people are very shallow breathers, and i've attained much wisdom from Wim Hof and his breathing techniques. It's amazing how the endocannabinoid system can be triggered with breathing and exercise... this is why there is the "runners high"...
     
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  15. C No Ego

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    yes indeed, my delving into deep breathing exercises led me to know how stinky our technology is! cars, industry- means hold your breath lest you suck up the funk! LOL

    a conscious breather with a little clean water and air can go Far!
     
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  16. biohacker

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    Ah man this is so true! I try to be healthy by getting morning sun and long walks every morning, and even living in the country on quieter roads I still have to do the whole holding the breath thing when a stupid bus or truck zooms by spewing black shit..... oh and farm vehicles. It's like I just can't win lol Fucking gross.

    And then I see all the nice machinery spraying poison on the "healthy" veggies growing in the ground, right beside the "organic" farms beside the busy highway lmao
     
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  17. C No Ego

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    yeah man organic is a total Joke! natural non artificial is as close as we can get to healthy now in modern society.. we all as people need virtual air bubbles... or figure those darn Love Bubbles!
     
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  18. vaporist4LIFE

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    Organic is not a joke . Your opinion and mine .
    Count chemicals not calories !!!
     
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  19. EverythingsHazy

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    Personally, I'm more into nutrition and fitness than light and magnetism.

    Then again, despite not being very traditional, I'm still a lot more traditional than most people here.
     
  20. C No Ego

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    most farms the water supply to water the produce ( organic/non organic- both) is contaminated......... take your organic produce to your naturopath and have him test for chemicals... you will be amazed at how there is not much difference in the two
     
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  21. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    It depends, many organic farms are on the sides of busy polluted roadways, as well as beside "non" organic farms. Many are "labelled" organic when they still use some pesticides, or perhaps chickens that are allow to have a hole in their barn or something. Costco not too long ago was busted for selling non-organic chicken and labelling it organic. Best off eating local and supporting farmer's markets IMO. I think organic is mainly a marketing thing.

    Furthermore, when I go to Whole Foods and see the organic produce, it's usually wilted, rotting, and moldy. Much rather buy a fresh conventional instead of paying triple for what looks like trash.

    You may be, but your mitochondria isn't.
     
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  22. vaporist4LIFE

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    I grow a decent amount of the organic food I eat.water comes from our well and that water has been tested for contams . Any proof or tests for these chemicals ?

    ---bio --- the wilted aspect most likely had to do with how long it's been stored, temps etc .I highly agree with going local and that not only cuts down on costs associated with transported produce since most comes from 1000+ miles away but also is better for our health to consumes good grown in and around areas we live in .
    Seems everything is marketing these days eh .brings to mind the non gmo verified project .regardless conventional has a slew of nasty shit (pesticides, herbicides , other poisons ).
     
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  23. C No Ego

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    indeed, personal growing is not what I was speaking of. it is the mass grow farms that mingle with other non organic fields/water supply etc...
     
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  24. EverythingsHazy

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    I'm curious what any neurologists have to say about white matter lesions caused by frequent/high-potency Cannabis use. Studies show that it can cause "significant" damage/lowered integrity of white matter tissue (corpus callosum), and that such damage is not only correlated with Cannabis use, but also follows a "sliding scale" based on both frequency and potency, which lessens the chance that such damage is the cause of use rather than the effect.
     
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  25. chris 71

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    can you show us these studies ? i still think there are just too many variables to prove anything like this and these studies are probably biased toward finding the results they want .
    maybe as we progress with legalization around the world we will find the true answers . maybe we will find out for sure any harms .
    im guessing its defiantly gonna be found out , like i think it is starting to now , that its really not that bad . i mean like probably not as bad as coffee when takin in a harmless way . say like not smoking and definitely not as damaging to society or individual as alcohol and tobacco . and maybe even ice cream and hamburgers

    and is actully GOOD for you ...

    perhaps worrying about this all the time could possible be a sign of another issue ? and or maybe from being indoctrinated into a society that has pushed the war on drugs with scare tactics ?
    can i ask how old you are EverythingsHazy ?

    i remember all the ," this is your brain on drugs " commercials from when i was younger and actually ive still seen a few here and there recently . i remember in school going down to the gym for talks and presentation from people telling us how bad drugs were . which they can be , but they were wrong about cannabis so it seems . and undoing this public education is difficult when you have been indoctrinated into it .

    live is short and can be even shorter if you get hit by a bus or something .and its all over before you know it. and you could have possibly wasted a lot of time thinking and worrying , this is what i try and tell myself as i am a worrier too

    please dont take offence to anything i have written , i have only written here because i have been following a few of your threads with interest . its really just my opinion and thoughts . and you know what they say about opinions lol
     
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