VaporGenie

The vaporbuddy sucks, and it gets exposed in the thread about portables.

I know what you mean. MyExtreme is in my office and I don't always want to hit it in there. Instead of dragging my Extreme to the living room I prefer to hit the Genie out there occassionally.

As for lighters, vapor tactician has a link in either this thread or the portables thread about butane that is helpful. I think any lighter will do. I've been using cheap bic lighters, but I think I will drop some coin for a butane torch lighter, if only for the uniform heat and consistency.

Oh fuck, hitting a vaporbuddy dry? Don't want to freak you out but that's not good.

Vaping at your drumset on the other hand, very good!

I hope you dig it! Take the time to go over the tips VTac put up from his friend...they helped me a lot.

You know what's sad? You actually had me there...hook, line and sinker!

Here's a link to my friend's VaporGenie tips.

Make sure you get the technique down before you go fishing. Maybe you should figure it out with a windproof jet flame lighter since you're going to be using it outdoors.

I've not used the VG outside but I can see it being a pain in the ass with wind blowing out your bic lighter...

Yup. You will actually do better with the butane, I think, because you can direct the flame inside the bowl better. You won't burn any wood.

stickstones, do you mean a jet/blue flame lighter? Since normal bic style lighters use butane as well...

CD, you won't burn wood, it's overheating and burning your herb that you have to worry about.

Yup. I'm talking about one of those torch style lighters, whatever you call them. Sorry for the butane confusion. BTW, I haven't used a torch lighter with this unit yet...I just think it will be a good upgrade someday.

I forgot to mention, I brought a butane torch over for him to try with it. He ended up scorching the herb on the second attempt and gave up. :/

I think the flame on my torch was a little bigger than optimal. Compared to a bic lighter it really heats it up fast, so you have to be extra careful and only do very short bursts till you figure it out. You could probably compensate by holding the torch flame farther away.

Another thing to consider, the jet flame doesn't bend like a normal lighter's flame so you have to point it down into the hole-- some jet lighters aren't really designed to operate pointing down, so keep that in mind if you're going to buy one.

You know, it maybe that you have to hold the torch far enough away that it ends up getting the wood in the burn radius. Thanks for telling me your friend didn't like it...I won't rush out to get one. Those tips from him that you passed on to me were fantastic.

I'll say it again...I really love this little unit. I get much thicker hits from this than the whip (I still haven't spent much time mastering the whip yet...I know, bad stickstones). I get some really thick hits off it and get plenty rocked!

A torch lighter is definitely superior to a standard lighter for vaping. Much steadier flame/temp and it won't leave soot like a standard lighter will. But like you say, some, like the Genie, present problems with the angle. I've got the Genie and have used it a little, but the straight stem is less than ideal for a torch unless your eyes are at the top of your forehead.

I used a torch the other night and it worked quite well. I aimed the flame directly into the bowl from above and didn't have any problems.

I don't know. I started with a normal lighter and migrated to the torch, so it was already heated up a little. The torch is hotter, so it would make sense that it would heat up faster. But the bottom line is that you don't want the temp too hot or you will combust. I suppose you could use the torch to heat up the bowl without drawing, thus heating up the bowl without heating up the herb. Then you could draw and get your vapor. I'm not sure of this, though, and will need to try it out.

Hmm, pre heating the ceramic? Sounds like it could work, you might be on to something there.

I've been looking around for some good mini torch lighters, hard to separate the hyped up crap from the good stuff. When I was younger I had a Colibri and it was pretty reliable... For use with the genie, I'm thinking you'd want one that operates properly and easily upside down and is capable of producing a really small flame. That way it wouldn't get so hot so fast.

I ordered mine from the manufacturer (www.vaporgenie.com), $55 shipped. Check out this VaporGenie review for some details. It's coming from the states so if you're in Canada it'll be going through customs and it's marked down as a tobacco pipe.

Personally I've always ordered direct from official websites. Less chance of screw ups and you're more likely to get newest revision and if there's been recent changes to the product.

Other than the customs issue, it's not really worth free plastic grinder to order from a reseller.

As for Vaporizergiant.com, I can't vouch for them but they look legit.

The ash is what most people have. The exotic is larger, has the "old man" pipe style and is less durable. I've also heard the angle on the ash is easier to work with.

I don't know of any Canadian online dealers that sell the Genie. I'd get the exotic. It's improved over what it used to be, and I think the longer length makes it easier to use. You'll have a better chance of getting your choice (yellow or brown if you go with the exotic) from the manufacturer's site too.