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Vaporbrothers VB2

Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by Vitolo, Oct 18, 2013.

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  1. lazylightning

    lazylightning It's an obsession but it's pleasin'

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    Thank you so much for all the information! On average I've been replacing 2-3 heaters per week so I'd certainly welcome any improvements in heater longevity. I'll continue sharing any observations since I seem to be going through heaters faster than anyone else on the forum.
     
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  2. Cannabis Connoisseur

    Cannabis Connoisseur I LOVE LIFE

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    Did my first heater replacement yesterday took 10min with me taking my time being very precise! Wow I have an entirely new outlook and respect for the VB2!!! The thing is practically 90% GLASS! I don't know why i never realized the entire body is Glass!! @vaporbrothers May I suggest that you all send out a couple(more than one) heater replacement. It would kick ass to able to have it back up running in a couple of minutes! Then once i install my last heater i can request a back-up and have it by the time the next fails!
     
  3. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    Waiting for 130 vaporizers to be returned to us by the Police Department.
    They have an order from the Judge to give our property ALL back.
    In the meanwhile I am lucky to have a VB2 to use in the meanwhile.
    I get the best dab action of any person I know! (except for those who visit me.)
    Here is an oldie but goody:
    Click to play YouTube Video
     
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  4. Cannabis Connoisseur

    Cannabis Connoisseur I LOVE LIFE

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    Using mine Right now Brother
     
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  5. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    This is the process I went through to create "Volcano Reclaim Shatter".
    Some of these images were posted in the Share that dab stash thread, and some in the Volcano thread...
    ... it is the process I followed from step 1 through the end, where I hold the Volcano Reclaim Shatter you see
    I let it sit and cure a week longer, and I have some hard delicious Volcano Shatter.....
    My problem now was which tool would be the optimal tool to use for the consumption of this rarity.
    I decided upon my VB2 Concentrate Converter.
    Click to play YouTube Video
     
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  6. vaporbrothers

    vaporbrothers Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    Thanks to everybody who's supported us. @Vitolo your videos helps people so much!

    News.... If yall would like to see VB2's successor it is VB2.5

    VB2 still has its merits- clean white ceramic heater, designed to be on forever without overheating (you can get your auto-off modified or disabled during service), works in a car drawing only about 150W. The VB2's main issue is the ability of the ceramic heater to withstand cracking at the temperatures we demand of it.

    VB2.5 is a monster, controls its temp precisely with a thermocouple, takes only 30 sec to heat to full power. The heater is indestructible Silicone Nitride. You just have to deal with the fact it draws 700W, is not able to stay on more than 10 min at a time, costs more.

    We build VB2 and 2.5 only to order now. Focusing as a company on new FDA concerns and our long term survival despite record amounts of cheapstuff smashing the market. Luckily, our primary product (vapor box) should be grandfathered by the FDA and will never be challenged as a "tobacco device."
     
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  7. lazylightning

    lazylightning It's an obsession but it's pleasin'

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    I'm curious how many people are waiting on warranty repairs for the VB2 right now. Vapor Brothers received my returned unit 5 weeks ago and I still have no idea as to when it might be returned to me.

    Over the weeks, Linus has given me a couple time estimates that have come and gone. Apparently they are struggling financially and lost the lease on their old shop. Linus said that building high performance machines like the VB2 has drained their funds to zero. Now they are renting something like a storage unit and setting up shop again.

    A few weeks ago Linus mentioned that they would be setting up the VB1 production before they started on my warranty repair. Now he is saying he'll do my warranty repair first, but he has no time estimates for me after 5 weeks of waiting. I guess they are still setting up the storage unit shop.

    I was patient for the first few weeks, but when I keep getting put off and don't get responses to my emails when promised it really starts to get upsetting. The VB2 is an expensive machine and I'm a paying customer. I rely on my VB2 for pain relief and expect timely warranty repair when it is necessary. If I were running the company I'd make sure to take care of my paying customers. If necessary, I'd do repairs on a desk in someone's house instead of having my customers wait a couple months for a whole new shop to be set up.
     
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  8. jhartbarger

    jhartbarger Active Member

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    They have my VB2.5 and I am waiting on heater replacements for 2 of my VB2's. They as of two weeks ago I was told finally got setup and were setting up the new repair area, station, etc.

    Be patient they have been around a LONG time and you don't sustain that longevity by shafting your customers and sometimes we all stumble but I believe they bounce back and we will all get our gear back working soon.
     
  9. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    Be patient.
    Linus is on the job!
     
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  10. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Wishing @vaporbrothers all the best getting relocated and back in action . . . :tup:
     
  11. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    Me too.
    @vaporbrothers has worked hard, and stayed true to his ideal.
    He deserves great recognition and support.
    The products are all superior, and well backed.
     
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  12. lazylightning

    lazylightning It's an obsession but it's pleasin'

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    Well, I did get my VB2 back after 5 weeks of waiting. I didn't realize how much I'd come to rely on it for pain management. It lasted for 3 wonderful days and the heater died. Since no extra heaters were included I'm without a VB2 again. Seems like lots of patience is a prerequisite to VB2 ownership. Like the previous posts said, I have complete faith that if I wait long enough I'll have a working unit. I just wasn't counting on so many weeks of waiting on repairs every year when I purchased my unit. I probably would be more patient if I didn't rely on it for pain management.
     
  13. vaporbrothers

    vaporbrothers Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    Hi all, thank you so much for your patience, I haven't gotten back to FC until now. I appreciate being looked after here, and appreciate the trust you're giving!

    We have SO much going on- the company is needing to adapt to the new world- Yes, we moved workshops, and also downsized to bare bones. The reality with the FDA, dispensaries selling cheap shit, smoke shops closing and everyone moving to portable / pens means that we are going into a sort of hibernation. The other VB products that helped finance VB2 development are not sustaining the budget. We've had to stop any new VB2.0 production, and will make only a small amount of 2.5's when we can.

    In the case of the member above, he is a hardcore VB2 user, and we know he relies on it.. A bunch of delays from rebuilding our workshop caused his repair an inordinate amount of time, along with engineering work and my own delays. I also wanted to put his vaporizer back on the test bench for more burn-in time since he has this insane burnout problem with his VB2.0 heaters, and his VB2.5 was showing wear. Several other VB2's with simpler issues were turned around quickly. So the time for future VB2 repairs might vary a lot.

    A few VB2's are still waiting for the electrical engineer to come back, and if I'm right, @jhartbarger 's 2.5 is fixed and going out after I finish burning in a few extra 2.0 heaters for him to replace in VB2.0's at home.

    So anyway, we will keep servicing VB2 customers as timely as possible, although turnaround time may vary a lot depending on the issue. I hope not to have any more delays on the level of @lazylightning. (much apologies)

    -Linus
     
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  14. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    As most now know, Photobucket has broken links to forums, and has now begun to charge 399 a year to "link" hosted photos to forums etc.
    I am not short on ideas about what services to use moving on, and am not here to open a discussion about services to use, as I believe all free services will start charging in short order.
    I am here to give any of those that wish to see all images I have posted in this thread the link to see them.
    You are welcome to look at them all, and I hope they are useful.
    http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/VitoloVaporizes/library/VB2
     
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  15. MileHighHuman

    MileHighHuman Well-Known Member

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    Does this VB2 is taste better than the DNAIL Sapphire Dish?
     
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  16. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    Been privvy to the "dish"
    VB2 tastes infinitly more clean and pure.
    The inserts are of magnificent.
    I can not say enough good things about this device that has kept me functioning as a human for these past years!
     
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  17. lazylightning

    lazylightning It's an obsession but it's pleasin'

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    I think maybe the first question would be...do you prefer high temp or low temp dabs?

    The VB2 isn't built to do low-temp dabbing so IMO the flavor doesn't compare in the lower temp range. The VB2 hits nice and hard at higher temps but at lower temps the dab puddles into the ceramic and you have to turn up the unit for a few minutes to burn off the smoking dab.

    I haven't tried sapphire, but the SiC dish in my Liger tastes amazing. Really though, it's the low temps that make the biggest difference in flavor. I found much better flavor than a VB2 even with a $150 Auber enail controller and included universal Ti nail. The key is capping the nail with a carb cap to built up heat and lower pressure. That creates a little oven that allows temps more in the 550 - 600 degree range.

    The VB2 dabbing surface has a lot of incoming air flow that can't be controlled so you won't get the same tasty low-temp dabs. Instead you'll get some great higher-temp dabs that vaporize completely and require no post-dab Q-tipping of the nail.
     
  18. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    Much respect to,a fellow vaporist, but I am forced to disagree.
    the mid-range setting is low temp dabbung, AND... @vaporbrothers has already given onstructions here for "tweaking" the device to your temperature.... low heat preference.
    Again...true, however the tweaking can duplicate.... in fact surpass this performance preference.
     
  19. lazylightning

    lazylightning It's an obsession but it's pleasin'

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    If you say it's possible you may have figured out something I didn't. However, I owed mine for 1 ½ years until the owner cancelled my warranty because I was burning through a heater every 3-4 days. I've used it way harder than most...just ask Linus. I tested it every which way I could, including VB's recommendations, but I never approached the flavor I can get with a basic Ti enail and carb cap.

    So not saying it's impossible, but for your average user specifically looking for flavor they'd probably want to go the easy route. An Auber RDK-300 with Ti enail and Highly Educated carb cap tastes better out of the box for $200 and you don't have to deal with frequent heater replacements.
     
  20. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    Respectfully disagree.
    My unit has been used daily and HARD (10-25 times a day since 2013), and has not needed replacement.
    Yes... I am careful with it, and do not abuse the tool.... but I use it daily, and all through the day (and have for 4 years)
    I did not in any way find the Auber RDK-300 with Ti enail and Highly Educated carb cap to taste more pure with a dozen different strains I tried and also with live resin.
    Fact is I gave it away to a low-income, terminally ill patient as soon as I completed my obligatory 1 week devoted tests.
    The VB2 (the original) is still here and being used daily for clean, flavorful hits.
     
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  21. lazylightning

    lazylightning It's an obsession but it's pleasin'

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    I'm not trying to argue with you @Vitolo and I don't use the cheap Ti nail either because there are better options...like my SiC Liger. I'm just relating my experience because I would have found it helpful a few years ago when I was doing this kind of research.

    I'm an older medical user and was extremely gentle with my VB2, yet I had to replace at least 2 heaters a week with my warranty eventually being voided by the owner because of the cost of heater replacement. If you've had a great run with your unit maybe you're lucky...or maybe I'm unlucky. I'm not disagreeing with you...just relating my experience.

    I believe in telling both sides of the story, not just the good as you mention. If you tell just the good, how is that supposed to help people make an informed decision?
     
  22. MileHighHuman

    MileHighHuman Well-Known Member

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    This is how i feel about my Herbalizer's vapor. Just so clean and pure. Maybe its because they both use ceramic heating elements?

    Anyways so because of this i can totally understand how it quite could be possible that this puts out better vapor than an enail.

    The frequent heater replacement isn't appealing as mine would be used a lot like you, but it would be taken care of so I'm really considering giving this thing a try.

    How's the maintenance / cleaning to get back to like new dabbing condition?

    Im fine with a bit higher temp. I actually do prefer the quicker vaporization / stronger effect. Flavor chasing is great for sometimes, but with being a medical patient, my #1 priority is the overall vapor quality.
     
  23. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    There is not maintenance to get back to like new dabbing condition.
    Once or twice a year, I take a razor blade and scrape clean the porcelain-like walls.
    The inserts burn themselves 100% clean after each session.
    If an insert gets old, they are inexpensive to replace.
    While I helped test 5 different materials, and wall configurations on inserts, I am only on my second one, as my 1st became a but dull in appearance after third year.
    Fact is I own 2 of these devices.
    One is used daily, and the other is for travel to let patients try it out.
    They both have been with me for a very long time, and neither has needed replacement, due
    to the instructions I give when I loan it out.
    I have tried them all.
    At least most of them that are out there, and still get rid of them after testing is done.
    @vaporbrothers gladly tells users how to teak the temp down for the low temp Dabbers out there.
    Just to keep facts all lined up well.... Herbalizer does not use a ceramic heating element, but rather uses actual Halogen bulbs to heat the herb. It is the only unit that uses Halogen technology... the reason the unit heats from Zero to 445º in 10 seconds.

    I had a patient that went through 2 replacements on his VB2.
    I went to watch him use it at his place.
    After a session, he would walk away leaving the insert and inside of VB2 Open.. (and under his cooler.)
    I had him start to use the white VB2 Top while unit was cooling down... I believed the cool air blowing on unit which was left open caused the element to cool too fast and crack.
    That was 2 years ago, and he has not had another breakage of his daily used unit since.

    Protecting the VB2 and the Inserts
     
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  24. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    Continued...
     
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  25. MileHighHuman

    MileHighHuman Well-Known Member

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    Low maintenance makes this sound even more appealing. I didn't know it was $1200, but i would be willing to spend that if its performance is better than an enail and worth it. Its currently sold out, but thats probably a good thing for my wallet. Lol.

    Not to derail. But thanks. I knew the Herbalizer used a halogen heating bulb, but for some reason i thought the halogen bulb was made out of ceramic. My mistake, not sure what i was confusing that with.

    But back on topic. 2 year VB warranty is ok. But id definitely want to continually buy another 2 years worth of protection for $150 with all the warnings and repairs. But at least it says that they pay for repair shipping charges. This is correct? And so the ceramic disk are only $7/ which isn't bad. But the bigger issue is the actual VB heater? Which requires sending in for repair (but for free)

    Has anyone had any really unlucky heater issues like @lazylightning ??

    How long is the average time span for repair?

    Next, it says PID control allows any temp up to 850. I had thought there were only 3 temperature to choose from? Is the PID for the VB2.5, and the Low 500F, Medium 650F, High 850F+ for the VB2?

    (If so that is $400 more for precise temp control) (Any other differences between VB2.5 and VB2?)

    Also, it says the VB2.5 auto shut off is after only 10 mins, and to choose the VB2 if you want to use continually. I'd prefer to purchase the VB2.5, but id also like to be able to leave mine on all day if needed.
     
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