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Vapor Brownies (ABV Cannaoil)

Discussion in 'Cooking with Cannabis' started by vtac, Feb 14, 2008.

  1. bigtvapes

    bigtvapes Well-Known Member

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    I went 1/2 materials to 1/2 oil in my last batch, which worked best yet. That batch was actually 100% ABV, no fresh included. But I used A LOT of ABV. You may find your own preferences. It was pretty strong though, man. Im a big dude with a big tolerance, and they made me feel pretty good. Food highs, while I like them, tend to hit me a little differently then most people it seems. My friend, who is about half my size and is a much more casual user, was in space for almost 5 hours, and she started feeling it pretty quick too. Like within 20 minutes. 1/2 of post-ground materials may be too much for some, I don't know. Without knowing how much you vape your stuff or what kind of stuff you use, I mean the end result is rather unpredictable.

    Maybe try 1/4 cup of materials your first time? If it's too weak you could always just eat more brownies, and then next time you'll knwo to make it twice as strong.

    BTW your suggestion of Coconut Oil is a good one. I used Cannola oil because well, it was cheap, easy to find, and I bought it before I discovered that many cannafoodies prefer Coconut oil.
  2. chimpybits

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    To clarify, you mean 1/2 cup of finely ground ABV to 1/2 cup oil?
    I think I'm going to keep making my brownies once I have only 1/2 cup of loose ABV. Again, this takes 7 months of vaping for me and that is long enough. These brownies are certainly potent enough, and I guess I can't wait until I have the equivalent of 1/2 cup of finely ground ABV.

    Anyone else have any thoughts on the "warm infusion" of ground ABV in coconut oil (posted by me in the previous page)?
  3. bigtvapes

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    Yes, I went 1/2 cup of finely ground ABV to 1/2 cup of oil. But like I said that batch was REALLY strong so you might want to go with just the 1/2 cup of loose. The loose will grind down to about half or even less, but it'll probably still work. Like I said I'm a big dude and I wanted mine real strong.
  4. HighlyEducatedScholar

    HighlyEducatedScholar Student of Vapor

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    seems like a good idea. don't see where you can really go wrong anywhere. IMO straining is an extra step that allows for mistakes to occur and can lead to a loss in potency. if you are going to strain, make sure you have it well thought out because when it comes to straining, you can't just go with the flow. also, a tip for straining is soaking the cheesecloth in whatever medium you have done the infusion with so there isn't any of the infusion that will get trapped in the cheese cloth. i know this is a good tip for cooking oil and glycerin but im not sure how well it would work with coconut oil since it is solid at room temp.

    edit: by the way, im the same way you are. it takes me forever to save up enough ABV to do anything with it. i usually only make a batch of baked goods once or twice a year since it takes a while just to get enough to work with so i don't blame you if you're being cautious with which steps you're taking. i was extra cautious making my brownies last time and they came out extremely potent. i sold a few to 4 college freshman and within an hour they were all either passed out or baked out of their minds :rofl: so yea, cold infusion FTW
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  5. jeffp

    jeffp psychonaut

    I don't recommend straining. It's not fun, it's laborious, it's potentially wasteful, and it really doesn't accomplish anything unless your intent is to mask the herb flavor (which it won't accomplish) or remove any gritty quality (there's not much to begin with if you grind to powder before you start).

    Regarding 1/2 cup ABV, I measure that out before I run it through the coffee grinder. Measured by weight rather than volume there should be no difference, logically speaking. It's plenty for a batch.

    This is only my opinion; this is how I do it. The biggest hassle is nudging out all of the powder from the blades and nooks and crannies from the coffee grinder, I use either a toothpick, a pokey stick or a bamboo skewer for that. I'm always surprised how much gets stuck in the grinder; it's quite a lot.
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  6. chimpybits

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    OK OK you've convinced me to not bother with the straining. I certainly don't want to make things hard without any gains.
    Thanks jeffp for clarifying the 1/2 cup measure being prior to grinding. We are then using the same quantities, and I'm happy with this amount and resultant potency.
    Next time (~7 months hence) I might try the "warm infusion" of ground ABV in coconut oil. If so, I'll report back.
    For now I'll be enjoying my current batch. Thanks all for your feedback.
  7. jeffp

    jeffp psychonaut

    Cool. Again, everyone is different but I find 1/2 cup pre coffee grinder ground is plenty. It used to take me forever to amass 1/2 cup when I was predominantly using the log vapes. I'm kind of in a SSV mood as of late and of course it's less efficient (not necessarily a bad thing at all) and aside from the wide angle big hits and the flavor and smoothness resulting from use of the vaporizer itself, you get to make brownies more often.

    Warm infusion is very interesting to me also. I like cocoanut oil; it tastes great, it's very healthy. I imagine that the infusion would be somewhat odorous even with a sealed mason jar, but I'm not sure. Perhaps on top of a warm free heat source like a stereo receiver, etc., but that probably would not be enough heat to keep the oil liquid.
  8. HighlyEducatedScholar

    HighlyEducatedScholar Student of Vapor

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  9. jeffp

    jeffp psychonaut

    Thanks for the link - good to have for future reference.
    My question is would the oil go rancid on top of the warmer for five days?
    That's basically the main concern that i have. i like canola oil for brownies but cocoanut would be superior.
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  10. bigtvapes

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    It should also be noted that JeffP is using better materials.

    I also vape the crap out of my stuff. There's plenty of goodness left over, but I generally double what most ABVs call for to get similar results.
  11. chimpybits

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    Yes, this is the kind of questioning I'm after. The melting point is AFAIK around 24C. Add a few degrees perhaps to ensure it's not too viscous. I would guess that this should be fine. Some quick Google-ing states that "Coconut oil is so stable that it can be left a room temperature for at least a year, and it will not become rancid". Not surprisingly, it will last longer kept consistently cool and dark, but it seems to be very stable - certainly beyond 5 days at these moderate temperatures.

    I wonder if it would be more odorous than say Canola oil?

    I also wonder if it will be considerably more viscous as I have a hard enough time blending the mix and the oil without over-stirring.

    Naturally, I'll find out on my next batch (around Spring), but of course I welcome others to try with an upcoming batch and report back : ) I can't say I'm familiar with coconut oil, but I do love all other things coconut.
  12. kittyboy

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    The reason I strain and find I do okay is in using butter and water you can add hot water to your strainer as u twist. Not sure how that works in oil. I do find I don;t have near the taste or the smell in final product after straining. Also as I mention some peoples system not enjoy extra fiber.
    I know my extraction pretty clean as the cheese cloth has no butter stain left in it. Does take extra time.
    also if you make stronger butter oil then you can eat smaller serving. I actually weigh cookies brownies to figure right dose... Seems that is what happens in coconut capsules....small amount of oil large dose abv.
  13. VapeNStone

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    did you strain the bud out of the oil and just use the oil itself? Or did you use butter? Because butter really tastes nasty IMHO. My brownies taste like everyday awesome brownies using the oil and my method. They just have a slight smell to them. Actually one day my mom came over and almost ate one but because I didn't cut them yet she decided not to. Man that would have been awesome lol

    mod note: Moved to the correct forum from the INH004 Inhalater thread
  14. Purpl3_Haz3

    Purpl3_Haz3 On a Permanent Vakation

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    Hope it's okay to post this here, if not I'm sure it will get moved accordingly :) Thanks / Sorry in advance to the mods.

    I'm planning on making a batch of brownies soon. The last batch I made, was a combination of 1+oz (maybe 30-35g) ABV, and the Reclaim from my oil rig, after consuming approx. 2 grams of oil. Reclaim weigh was unknown. I used the 'cold infusion' method, mixing in the finely ground ABV and the reclaim oil in with the vegetible/canola oil mix. I let it sit in a sealed jar, in a dark cool place, for 4 days, shaking it once each day. Then I mixed the oil/abv/reclaim mix (no strain) with the brownie mix, along with a table spoon(?) of Soy Lecithin (may have been tea spoon, I don't bake much...but whatever was recommended here/online in general). (this seemed to improve the results of my brownies astronomically vs. without the Soy Lecithin. It ended up being more oil than the brownies called for, to accommodate the mass of ABV, but it worked. I cannot recall how much oil was used, but I don't think it was a lot more than what the recipe called for....not double. The brownies came out great, very strong dose, and very effective. Made a lot of brownies.

    Now, I have approx 2.5-3.5oz (haven't weighed recently) of ABV. I'm looking to make brownies again, but I'd like to do it a little differently. I want to take my ~3oz ABV and do a run; make BHO with it. I'll use the same extractor/tech that I use for fresh flower. Except, because the ABV has already been vaped at upwards of 300 degrees, and has already been decarb'd, I can purge the oil at a much higher temp, which will be easier than the average purge, and more thorough. Then, I'll have BHO that is edible, and ready to cook with.

    Here is where I have a question. I could go two ways here, yet I have a feeling that one will be better for some odd reason. IDK why, but if so, someone here will know.

    A: I could mix the ABV BHO into the veg. and/or canola oil/brownie mix, and make the brownies.

    B: I could do the cold infusion method, and let the ABV BHO mix with the veg and/or canola oil for 4 days, before making the brownies.

    Which, and why?

    Also, what is the general consensus now, on the oil medium for which to make ABV brownies? I see so many pros/cons to all of the oils, and have a really hard time finding any certainty in any one oil vs another. Coconut oil? Canola? IDK lol.

    But, regardless, I see no reason not to make the ABV into BHO, before making the edibles. It will make it so I can use less of whatever oil I use. I won't have to have the ABV in the brownies, (didn;t bother me, but could have done without it.) And, I won't have to worry about getting all of the goodies out of the ABV, like I would if I strained the ABV out, using the cold infusion method with ABV. With BHO, I know when I've got the good out of my starting material, and I know when I have got the butane out, etc.

    I just want to know the best route to take, once I have the ABV BHO, to get to brownies...Which oil (coconut, canola, vegetable, etc?) and, is there any reason to not just mix the ABV BHO into the oil right before I mix it all together, or should I do a cold infusion like I did with my ABV in previous brownies?

    Thanks in advance! Also, I understand that using 3+ oz will make for a highly dosed edible, vs the previous ones I've made...I'm planning on having something that will only take a few bites, vs. a whole 'brownie' to get medicated.
  15. Lo

    Lo Combustion free since '09 Staff Member

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    Hmm... I still haven't run BHO myself but I've read so much and always wanted to try it... but afraid I'd either blow myself up or not get all the butane out, not get it clean enough, etc. I do cook, extract, tincture, etc A LOT though :D

    Theoretically though you should be able to dissolve the BHO in the oil of your choosing to make brownies or whatever. I personally would choose coconut oil as it is a healthier option but ideally...any oil you choose should work. If I were preparing I would dissolve the BHO into the oil (with a teeny bit of heat since I'd be using coconut which is sorta solid at room temp) before proceeding with the recipe.

    Good luck and I look forward to your report :D
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  16. Purpl3_Haz3

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    Alright, thanks for the advice! :) I'll go with coconut oil. Should I get one of the varieties (and which one? lol) that I can find at the local super-market/wal-mart? Or, is this something better purchased at my local 'Natural Living Center'?

    Also, I plan on using soy lecithin again. I'm hoping that there isn't really an expiration on it. I don't have the label on the bag of granules(sp?)(yellow looking not quite powder, but would turn to powder if crumbled, little small balls(smaller than rock salt, bigger than regular)) that I got a few months ago. Either way, I'll probably purchase more if I need to. Anyhow, regarding soy lecithin, do/have you use(d) it in your edibles? I feel very confident that I got great results, so I'll probably use it again...just looking for more input/how much you use if you use(d) it.

    I'll probably make the BHO soon, maybe this weekend. I'm running out of places to store ABV :lol: I'll probably go ahead and wait an additional day or two after I make to oil before making the brownies, to let it set, and have a few test dabs. Depending on the quantity of the ABV and the oil I get back from it, and how I decide I want to dose the edibles, I may or may not use it all. I'm hoping to have enough to at least save half for another time. I'd like to make edibles that are a few bites/effective dose for sleep aid, etc. We'll see how that goes.

    Any info and tips on top of whats already here on the soy lecithin would be greatly appreciated from anyone! mainly looking for experience with it/amount used etc. IIRC I used 1 tspoon, not tablespoon, in my last batch.
  17. Lo

    Lo Combustion free since '09 Staff Member

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    You can get coconut oil in grocery stores these days or organic virgin from health food store if so inclined.

    If I remember correctly 1 tsp. of soy lecithin to one batch of brownies but you might search back in this thread as I know it was covered here... I haven't used it myself.
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  18. dsal1

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    My brownnie recipe calls for 1/2 cup oil and 1/4 cup water. Can i use 3/4 cup oil in 1/2 cup not yet powered ABV? Or should i put in the water.
  19. Frolo

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    I found this wonderful thread while searching for avb uses, and I'd like to think the many contributors.

    I have about 35g of avb blue dream (super vaped by ssv), 5 g fresh, and 5 g heavy shake soaking in canola oil. I plan on cooking it up this weekend after 5-6 days.

    I've never been too impressed with my edible experiences - all 4 of them. Most of them have involved garbage, or some decent mids. The good experience involved 2oz of decent in one batch of 16 cookies.

    So, I'm a little skeptical of what my avb is gonna bring to the table. My vaped plants seem to be more vaped than the average around here. I don't know how or why some of you leave so much green. I've seen batches that barely looked vape, and I know those would produce great edibles.

    The cold-infusion vs heat debate is interesting. I think I'm gonna heat my oil in a water bath after it's soaked for 5-6 days. It can only help right? Maybe activate some fresh that wasn't activated during decarb? I'm also not convinced soaking for that long will extract everything, so I figure the heat will help a bit.
  20. Frolo

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    That seems a bit overkill to me. 40 g of finely ground material equaled about a half cup for me. My recipe called for a 1/2 oil, and i put just a smidge more to thoroughly mix my dry ingredients.
  21. dsal1

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    What is the best way to store them and how long will they last?
    Thanks in advance
  22. Frolo

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    As I somewhat expected, the avb brownies were a waste of time and materials.

    Any effects were purely psychological, and it required me to eat 4 bad, very thick brownies. Made me drowsy and fat. That is all.

    Avb is best used as filler....for your blunts, bowls, or whatever. Have a little self respect and dont digest that garbage.
  23. JSteez4205

    JSteez4205 aka Gordon NugzB

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    Just prepared some abv oil for a 4day cold infusion process for some Holiday brownies!
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  24. Sonics420

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    i used half a cup abv + half cup of oil
    the brownies hit alright for me, this was the simmer method.
    i let my girl who doesnt smoke try it out and she knocked out lol.

    this time i have it in a jar with the salt/vinegar and oil.. non simmer method. will see which one i like better.. 3 more days and im making some cookies with the oil.. will report back.
    btw i have half cup abv and half cup oil in this non simmer method also..

    my abv is really dark but why not have a treat with a kick.. dispensary edibles rarely do anything to me anyway so i dnt want to spend on theirs.
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  25. Rents

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    I just thought of a really great way to eliminate the smell from making cannabis oil. The step that creates the most smell is boiling the weed in the oil, so if you just buy an electric burner from Amazon and do that part in your garage or outside your house somewhere. As long as you let everything cool down before taking it inside, I think this will really help to eliminate the smell.
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